Vanessa: Hi, I'm Vanessa from SpeakEnglishWithVanessa.com. You don't want to waste your time, right?
Let's talk about it. Today I have a special treat for you. I'm going to help you learn
seven things that you should avoid if you want to be a fluent English speaker. Don't
do these seven things if you want to be fluent. If you focus on these seven things, you're
going to be wasting your time. It's not going to be efficient. Instead, you're just going
to be wasting your time. So, to talk about these seven things, I thought, "Who can help
me the most to talk about learning language?" Well, I have a special guest for you. Today,
I'm going to be talking with two brothers, Fran and Carlos, who run the YouTube channel
YouTalkTV, and they have completely learned English starting at the age of 25. It's pretty
incredible to completely learn a language as an adult. Most of us think if you're going
to be fluent, you should start as a kid, but that's not the reality for a lot of us.
For a lot of us, maybe for you too, you are starting now as an adult. You're kind of turning
a fresh page. "I don't want to learn like I did as a kid. Now, I have to start over."
Is it possible, can you really become fluent as an adult? Well, In today's lesson you're
going to learn seven things that didn't work for me in my second language, which is French,
and seven things that didn't work for Fran and Carlos, so hopefully you can avoid those
things. Instead, you can focus your time wisely. You can hear their story. Be inspired to realize,
"I can do this as an adult. I can successfully learn to speak English." I hope you'll enjoy
our conversation. Feel free to click CC to view the full subtitles
for today's lesson. That will help you to catch every word. They use a lot of great
expressions. They talk about a lot of pronunciation and linking and some specific tips. So, I
hope that the subtitles will help you as an English learner as well to catch everything
that they say. All right. Thanks so much for joining me Fran and Carlos. Let's meet them.
Hi Fran and Carlos, thank you so much for joining me today to talk about this interesting,
important topic of what to avoid, don't do these things if you want to be fluent.
Vanessa: To get started, would you like to briefly introduce yourselves? I've mentioned
you just a moment ago, but would you like to share with my audience something about
yourself? YouTalkTV: Yes, Fran and Carlos Monaj, we're
brothers. So we're from Spain, from Spain and the thing is that we're running a YouTube
channel called YouTalkTV. Mm-hmm (affirmative).
The funny thing is we both learned at age 25 or later on in life and we were self-taught.
Now what we kind of selling is if we did it, then you can do it too. Just try to follow
us. If you like the way we talk, we can take you to our level or above, its pure logic,
and that is the only thing we do, yes. Vanessa: So you bring a completely different
perspective to the table for people who are learning, they can feel inspired by you, a
role model and now you're teaching and when you teach something, you need to really know
it. So- YouTalkTV: Oh yeah, absolutely. You need to
reflect on how you learned that, what difficulties you have... Yeah, big time. We've taught over
10,000 hours each. Oh, by the way Vanessa, we have a surprise
for your audience, for your subscribers, which is-
Yeah, well the thing is that they're going to have free access to our course on YouTalkTV
plus course where they can improve your English. Yeah. We're giving away a full year for free.
And now it costs close to $300 a year. I'm saying close because I don't know the conversion.
But anyways, we're going to give it away for free and the condition is going to be that
you guys need to be subscribed to Vanessa's channel, Speak English With Vanessa, and go
ahead and subscribe to our channel- YouTalkTV. Exactly. And so it's going to be a raffle
and among those subscribers that are in both channels, then you going to have a full year
free. Yeah, we'll take it okay.
Vanessa: Thanks so much for offering that to my subscribers. Great.
YouTalkTV: You're welcome. Thank you.
Vanessa: You've done a lot of things successfully with English and I imagine there were things
that you've tried that probably didn't work over time or maybe for your students, you
see, oh no, they're focusing on this thing that isn't going to help them. So I thought
we could talk about that together. Some things that you tried, but that just didn't work
for you because nobody wants to waste their time. You don't want to waste your time. Our
students don't want to waste their time and we don't want to waste our time telling them-
YouTalkTV: Absolutely. Vanessa: You should do this. I thought today
we could talk about seven things that our students should avoid doing, so that they
can really focus on what will work. So would you like to get started with the first point
and then we can kind of share our opinions from our-
YouTalkTV: Absolutely. Yeah. Go ahead. Vanessa: Both of our experiences?
YouTalkTV: Yes. Vanessa: Cool. Well, my first tip for something
that I did wrong when I was a beginner learning French, which is the language that I successfully
learned as a second language and maybe you guys did this as well with English is, don't
dive into material that's too difficult right away. If you just start watching, I don't
know, Avatar or Titanic, something that's so long and so complex, there's so much vocabulary
that you don't know. You can just easily feel overwhelmed and frustrated and kind of want
to give up. I'm never going to do this. It's just too much. So starting small is going
to be more helpful. You can feel that small win I did it, I watched this five minute video
and I understood it. I got some new vocabulary instead of a whole 45 minute TV episode or
two hour movie. That can be so overwhelming if it's too much for you. So don't do too
much too soon. Take it slowly. YouTalkTV: Yeah. Plus it can be really frustrating
and maybe it's going to make you give up or something and that connects pretty well with
one of our other mottos, which says which says keep it simple and that's an American
saying and we love it. Just keep it simple and this year in the Spanish approach of teaching
English, they are always picking their more, the most difficult approach, the most grammar
complicated explanation. And we want to keep it simple. There is a lot of difficult approaches
to teaching grammar. And of course what you're saying, don't go for movies, songs, because
they constantly putting those sentences together like, "Hey, do you mind if I sit down?" It
is impossible for you to pick up. Don't do you mind if I sit down and they're not going
to say that. So prior to that, you may want to make sure your students know some more
simple structures or just go through easier material.
Vanessa: Yeah. When you finally, as English learners, when you finally watched a TV show
or a movie without subtitles, you'd probably been you starting smaller first and then working
up to that or maybe watching the TV show with some titles in English first. You're slowly
working up to that and not just diving in and then thinking, oh my goodness, that feeling
of dread and fear though yeah if you start small then it's going to be a lot easier to
approach and to get beyond that. YouTalkTV: Absolutely.
And especially talking about songs, songs I think they are more difficult than a real
conversation. I think so. People are very frustrated. They get very frustrated with
songs because they say, "Okay, what are they singing here? I don't understand. Oh my God,
am I learning English but I don't understand that." Songs are very difficult.
Vanessa: Yeah, songs are poetry. Poetry is tough. What about you guys? What is something
that you think doesn't work for your English students, but you see them doing anyway and
you don't want them to waste their time? YouTalkTV: Well, one of the recurrent mistakes
that people tend to make here in Spain, at least it's to just to focus a lot on degrees
and certificates and all that. It's kind of the, it's on the rates now. Like everybody
wants to have it, but that's not going to make you speak a better English. No. Most
likely you're going to get some idea but having a B1 B2 that's we call them here or even a
C1 level is not going to make you speak good English. It takes a lot more than that but
people are really focusing on those degrees and I think that's totally wrong because they
and don't get me wrong. It'd be great to have those degrees, but just as a result of you
having a really good level of English. Vanessa: Why do you think some people are
so focused on getting those certificates? Is that a hangover from our school years where
we need that grade to feel good or why are so many people focused on that.
YouTalkTV: It's also like Carlos said before, it's a kind of a requirement. It's required.
It's an institutional requirement. Most of the jobs, like if you want to be a civil servant.
Vanessa: Okay. YouTalkTV: In Spain, I don't know if you know
what it is. If you want to work like in public- Vanessa: Like a government employee?
YouTalkTV: Exactly. And here's explains a lot of related to it, like if you want to
be a teacher, you need to do kind of those, that kind of stuff and there's a lot of money
involved. There's a lot of money involved because you pay taxes and you do pay training
for those courses. It's a whole marketing behind that, marketing strategy-
Vanessa: Sure. YouTalkTV: I don't think that it's useful.
It's not good for our learners. Absolutely. So we're kind of fighting against that.
Vanessa: I feel like that leads into one of the other things that I recommend avoiding
when you're wanting to be a fluent speaker and that's just don't wait to start speaking.
If you feel like, for example, if you feel like you have to pass an exam for your future
interview, for a future job well, don't wait to do other real fluency activities before
that. So if you wait to start speaking, it's just going to be more stressful. It's going
to be such a new thing that it's a little bit weird. I don't know if you had this sensation
when you were first learning another language, but when I first heard my voice speaking in
French or I lived in South Korea for a couple of years, when I first heard my voice saying
some Korean words, it felt so weird but after a while it was completely normal.
YouTalkTV: Used to it, right? Yeah.
Vanessa: Getting used to it and hearing okay, this is my voice. I'm saying these words that
have some meaning now, but it's completely different. As you get used to that, it feels
more comfortable so don't wait to just jump into it and try to talk about what's around
you and drinking some water. There's a picture of an elephant on this glass-
YouTalkTV: Yeah plus- Vanessa: It looks like it needs to be washed-
YouTalkTV: Plus- Vanessa: You talking about it.
YouTalkTV: The sooner you start talking, this means you going to start making mistakes?
And the more mistakes you make the quicker you're going to learn.
Making mistakes here in our culture is kind of overrated.
Yeah. It is our case. Oh my God, I'm making a mistakes.
So you going to be penalized while in the Anglo-Saxon culture. It's like, I remember
playing volleyball and I was really bad. And at the end of the game everybody say hey,
good man. Good, good game. Good game? Vanessa: Sound positive?
YouTalkTV: No. Yeah. Okay, thank you but it's kind of a cultural
thing of making mistake is over penalized and I think that's something that's going
to hamper your learning process. Especially talking about English, about to
learning English and that if you practice and you talk, so then you're going to see
that it's useful. So I think that- The purpose-
because the way you study English is bad. You study the theory, you study the grammar
rules, you study the vocabulary but you don't feel that you're going to use it. You don't
feel that's something useful. Vanessa: So in your opinion, do you think
that there is a magic solution to learning all of these complex or maybe simple things
in English? YouTalkTV: Wooh. Magic solutions? Yeah. That's
a great topic. The thing is that as something we wanted to talk about is that about the
magical solutions about the miracles. A lot of companies are selling about English, right?
So yeah, people realizing that well, they can't learn English, they can't learn English
with just a 1000 words, just without effort, having a good time, while they’re sleeping,
and that's impossible. Of course there are ways to make it simple, make it more simple
and to make it easier. But yeah, it's not easy. If people were receiving so easy, everybody
would speak English. It's not easy. You need to make a big effort and you need time. You
need to spend time and you should make a big effort. It's like for example, when you're
training for a marathon, it's something very hard and have people say, "Hey, how can you
do that? Are you going to run 30 kilometers alone with this cold in an hour? How can you
do that?" Well, but you have a goal, your motivator.
Vanessa: Yeah. So having that motivation? YouTalkTV: It's difficult and you need a big
effort. If it were easy, nobody would be watching this video here.
Absolutely. We wouldn't be here
And it's a long process and it's an ongoing process and there's a, there's some method,
there's a couple of three companies here in Spain they're competing and one of them is
saying, 'Oh, learn English. Learn very good English in only 15 minutes a day."
Yeah. That’s crazy. There's another one says Learn English only
in 10 minutes a day, but there's another one that says learn English in only five minutes.
Five minutes. They're huge companies with millions of dollars
behind and trying to sell something that it's- They don't tell you if you're going to a couple
of thousands of years so. It does. I think the underlying things that he's going to take
you 80 years, a hundred years, the approach of the, they're focusing on, on showing or
presenting English as something that is not fun or you just get rid of.
Vanessa: That's kind of like a click bait title almost.
YouTalkTV: Oh yeah. Absolutely. Vanessa: Just 10 minutes a day, but it's not
the reality. Like you said you are not telling you the fine print.
YouTalkTV: For example, in my case, well I learned English in a year well, I had a base,
but I learned in a year spending 10 hours a day or 12 hours day, I think to me just
a year- Vanessa: You were focused.
YouTalkTV: I devoted all my time. But the funny thing I was going to say, the
funny thing is that you've never been abroad. No never. Just you're on your own and never
been abroad. So you, it's possible. Just, everything's possible. No.
Vanessa: Something I noticed when I first watched your videos was how great, this is
such a specific thing, but how great you're both for both of you, you're /R/ sound is.
YouTalkTV: Oh yeah. Vanessa: It's tricky for everyone from every
language background, but I can tell that, that's something that you probably really
focused on. YouTalkTV: Oh yeah.
Vanessa: And it really sets you apart from other people who are learning language because
you focused on that and that 10 hours a day that you spent-
YouTalkTV: Yeah. Because what been.
Vanessa: Was worth it. YouTalkTV: Yeah. It was worth it. I remember
very well even I remember even I used to record myself. Used to when I started, I used to-
Vanessa: Great Idea. YouTalkTV: Record myself and compare, okay
they are native speakers, said that is way or so car. And I listened to myself with this
is a car, no. I cannot repeat. So I used to record myself so-
And because our specialty now is to teach Hispanic speakers how to learn English and
we have even classified out the letters and key and semi-key letters on, for example,
we have the R being the number one key letter to make you sound a native speaker.
Vanessa: It helps a lot. YouTalkTV: Oh yeah. A lot
Absolutely. It is very common. The R is pretty much in every other word, but it's so character
characteristic. And then in Spanish we, we make it sound kind of similar. It's like “rrrrr”
you just put it, put it back. “Rrrrr” So it's really simple. Just change it. And
there's the R and we have the L, which is a really defining sound in English like a
pencil and table family, a little. And then the short, I just not to make it, not to say
I like it, but I like it. To make it sound more like an A. and then when we have the
S H like “shhh” Like she. And then we have the J like jacket, like the G sounds,
those are five key letters. It took us a long time to learn and we've been focused that
in past we used to focus on them for weeks and weeks and so, but we found out that just
by changing those five key letters it pulls sounds going to make you sound good but understand
way better. Vanessa: Yeah.
YouTalkTV: Thank you for picking up on that. Vanessa: Well I like to share another tip,
which is if you want to be a fluent English speaker, do not make excuses. I feel like
from everyone, everyone has experienced making excuses or procrastinating, all of these types
of things and I think the best thing we can do is to reword it in your mind. If you say,
I don't have time, I'm too busy, which is a common excuse or it's too hard. If you reword
that and say this is not my priority. Learning English is not my priority. Every time you
make an excuse, you're saying that activity is not my priority.
If you have a boyfriend or girlfriend and they keep asking you to go on a date and you
say, I'm too busy, I can't do it. Well it's not a surprise that person's not your priority.
So if you treat English like a relationship, you have to spend time together. You can't
keep making excuses. You can't make excuses and say, I still want it. That doesn't go
together. If you really want something, you're not going to make excuses that you have to
be positive and actually follow through with those things.
YouTalkTV: Yeah, you need to be productive and it is not only starting from a book or
doing exercises. You can always try to watch movies in English or you like to read about
by your favorite singer or rock star player, whatever. You can look it up on Wikipedia
or you can read a book you like book that is like for example in Spanish you have very
good authors that they write in Spanish or you can always try to find it and translate
it into English. Vanessa: Sure.
YouTalkTV: There's no excuses. There's today nowadays it's... you have all kinds-
It used to be more difficult. I don't know 20 years ago. 20 years ago it was more difficult
to find, I have a lot of to find movies in English, to find books in English, but now
you haven't tried it. You have the TV, you have books, you have everything here.
Vanessa: So a lot of resources. YouTalkTV: Yeah, YouTube first you have YouTube
and I think one of the biggest problems about excuses is that people really believe those
excuses, they really think that they're not going to learn, because every time someone
comes to us and they want to learn English, they always say the same. They say, I can't,
I'm too old. I'm not cut out for languages. Yes.
They even think it's a country thing. It's a cultural thing. People from Spain can learn
languages. We can't correct our accent. We're not cut out for that, or they're just putting
themselves just making excuses for themselves. Yeah. Absolutely.
People really believe that. Vanessa: Yeah. That negative self talk. Really.
Yeah, you begin to believe it. So do you have any other tips for something that students
should avoid so they don't waste their time while they're learning English?
YouTalkTV: Yeah, the thing is that, well people always think that living abroad is going to
be something like magic and they going to learn English without an effort. Of course
it helps. It helps a lot because if you're in the perfect environment, but the thing
is that as we told you part of that learning, unless he takes a big effort and the people
think that just living abroad is going to be just to get your English, you're going
to get without an effort and that's unreal. That's not real. You have to make an effort.
You have to study and especially if you want to work on pronunciation because you just
want to do, just sit there following people who live here in your country I was here in
Spain, they've been here for, I don't know, 10 year, 15 years.
They are still making the same mistake. They have an accent.
Vanessa: That's kind of what people are making as an excuse sometimes that, well I don't
live in the U S so I'm not going to speak English fluently or maybe someday when I live
in the US I'll speak English fluently. But like you said, like for you Carlos, you've
never lived in an English speaking country, but it's still possible-
YouTalkTV: Oh yeah very possible. Vanessa: To have your English and I have a
video on my channel that says it's about how to start learning English at home while you're
not living abroad because there's so many people, like you said, who live abroad, live
in an English speaking country for 5, 10 even 20 years and they still aren't satisfied with
their levels. So if those people aren't satisfied, don't wait until you get there. Just start
now. There's so many ways that you can improve your speaking while you're still in your home
country. It's not impossible. Don't make excuses. YouTalkTV: I've told you a lot of our students
are from the US. We have a lot of students from the US they've been, they've been living
there for many years and they found... They came across our channel and they said, "Oh
man, I've, I hadn't ever been taught these things. I'm making progress. I'm a cashier
and now I'm using your tips and now I'm... The customers are telling me that I'm improving."
And so the power of the equation is practicing on what power of the equation is having a
good method, like Vanessa's method, so yeah. Vanessa: You still have to put effort and
to make it work. YouTalkTV: And that leads us to an important
point here. And it'd be, don't underrate the power of pronunciation and fluency in English.
And why is that? Because focusing on your pronunciation, linking words, intonation,
you name it on the way you sound, it has a double impact. The first one is you going
to sound way better. Maybe your grammar is not really good. Maybe you don't have any
degrees. Will you go to the US and you say, "Hey, what do you want me to do? Do you want
me to go? Do you want me to stay? Do you want me to give you a hand?"
They'll listen to you say that and they're going to open doors. But guess you sound good.
So the first thing by correcting your, not only your pronunciation but your linking words
and what happens is that with those Soft T’s and Tap T’s and skipping the H like “talk
to ‘im” instead of “talk to him” and all that, what happens is that you sound good
but seeking consequences and it's even more important is that you understand better. So
that's, another motto that we have is sound good understand better is by saying, "Hey,
what do you want me to do? Do you want me to go?" If you pronounce it that way, then
the first consequences that when Vanessa says, "What do you want me to say? Or what do you
me to do?" We understand that. We understand that.
Because you speaking the same language. Vanessa: When you also pronounce it correctly,
then you're used to it and you hear other people saying it, you can feel much more comfortable
because you've been saying it like that. I feel like that happens a lot with linking
expressions because we link all the time. Every language links somehow-
YouTalkTV: In Spanish too. Vanessa: Yeah, that's essential for understanding
more. And if you, a lot of people, I feel like their goal is to understand songs and
movies and TV shows, but the only way to do that is to understand how the intonation,
the linking works. So if you're doing that, you might as well use it. Well in pronunciation
today. YouTalkTV: It is speaking the same language
and no matter how many times you repeat, wait a minute, wait a minute, even if you say it
a million times, you know the rest of the English section speaker's not going to change
and say, wait a minute. They're going to continue saying, wait a minute. Yeah. So the most intelligent
one is say, wait a minute. So if you say wait a minute most likely you're going to get to
understand. Because that, don't get me wrong, they'll understand you and no matter what,
if you say, wait a minute, I have a bottle , you understand that. But the problem is
you're not going to get to understand the real thing because they speak differently
and that's what we want to get across to you. You're never going to sound confident.
Absolutely. Vanessa: Sure, sure. So have you felt that
as your pronunciation has improved your listening and understanding has improved too. It just
goes together. YouTalkTV: That's have direct impact.
Of course. Vanessa: I think it will help people also
who are struggling to think, should I improve my pronunciation? People can understand me.
It's okay to realize, yeah, it's going to improve a lot of other areas as well.
YouTalkTV: And you have, I guess I was checking all your channel and you have some videos
on that too, on real English and what happens when you put words together and those-
Vanessa: Yeah that's an essential piece. YouTalkTV: Exactly. Yeah. And that's not,
that's not really been taught. That's not typical. So that's-
Vanessa: So congratulations to all of our students who are trying new methods, new approaches.
And this is part of it. Thank you guys for joining me. So this has been a wonderful conversation.
I'm sure that our students have enjoyed it as well.
YouTalkTV: Absolutely. And thank you for having us. It's been such a pleasure and it's an
honor. Vanessa: Thank you guys also for offering
my subscribers a free year of your course. That's really cool. So all they have to do
is just subscribe to your channel. YouTalkTV: Yeah, exactly. And we'll make sure
that they're subscribed to your challenge too coming. So, that's a way you will have
to double check that they're coming from your channel. And so that's it. Subscribe to our
channel. And we're going to raffle off foyer for free off our you talked to me plus course.
It's a course focusing on what we were talking about. Yeah. Fluency, pronunciation. Just
make it sound like really what we do. They can have the link to our channel in the description.
Vanessa: Well thanks so much and I hope we can do this again another time.
YouTalkTV: Oh, absolutely. Sure. We're looking for more collaboration.
I'll talk to you later. Bye. Vanessa: Bye. Thanks so much Fran and Carlos
for joining me on my channel to be an inspiration and a role model that it is possible to learn
English fluently and naturally as an adult if you'd like to continue learning with them,
make sure you check out their channel in the description. You can also join their raffle,
which is a pretty cool thing that they're offering you guys. Thanks so much for learning
with me. And I have a question for you. What is something else that you think English learners
should avoid if they want to be a fluent English speaker? Hmm. So anything else that you shouldn't
do? If you want to be a fluent speaker, I don't want you to waste your time. I don't
want to waste my time. Nobody wants to waste their time. So make sure that you check out
the comments and see what other things people recommend. All right. Thanks so much for learning
with me and I'll see you again next Friday for a new lesson here on my YouTube channel.
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