>>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. WELCOME TO THE SHOW.
HAPPY THURSDAY.
HAPPY THURSDAY. WE HAVE GOT SOME GOOD TOPICS
HERE TODAY.
HERE TODAY. HERE TO HELP ME DISCUSS IT, JEN
MA
MA IN A BUSH HAGER -- JENNA BUSH
HAGER AND MATTIZEMAN.
WE BEGIN WITH AN APPARENT SHIFT
IN OPINION ABOUT THE #METOO
MOVEMENT.
MOVEMENT. A NEW POLL IN THE ECONOMIST
FINDS PEOPLE ARE BECOMING
INCREASINGLY SKEPTICAL OF
ACCUSERS.
ACCUSERS. ONE YEAR AFTER THIS THING FIRST
BROKE IF YOU WANT TO PUT THE
ADVENT AT THE HARVEY WEINSTEIN
REVELATION.
REVELATION. THE POLL SAYS FROM NOVEMBER OF
2017 TO THE LAST WEEK OF
SEPTEMBER THIS YEAR IT WENT FROM
28% TO 36% OF PEOPLE WHO SAID
MEN WHO HAVE SEXUALLY AHARASSED
WOMEN AT WORK SHOULD KEEP THEIR
JOBS.
JOBS. AND AMERICANS WHO THINK FALSE
ACCUSATIONS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT
ARE A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN
ATTACKS THAT GO UNREPORTED OR
UNPINUN
UNPINUN UNPUNISHED.
UNPUNISHED. THEY SAY THE CHANGES ARE
STRONGER AMONG WOMEN THAN MEN.
MORE WOMEN ARE SAYING LET’S HOLD
ON.
ON. LIKE, LET’S BE FORGIVING AND
SKEPTICAL.
SKEPTICAL. >> TO ME THE THINGS THAT STAND
OUT ARE ONE, THE VAST MAJORITY
OF PEOPLE STILL ARE ON THE SIDE
OF ME TOO.
THAT’S THE IMPORTANT THING.
I THINK IT’S BEEN A GREAT
MOVEMENT.
MOVEMENT. ABSOLUTELY PEOPLE WHO ARE
VICTIMS SHOULD BE HEARD.
THE OTHER THING IS AND WE TALKED
ABOUT THIS ABOUT A MONTH AGO.
THE FOUNDER OF THE ME TOO
MOVEMENT FELT ONE OF THE BIGGEST
ISSUES WAS THIS WAS INITIALLY
ABOUT SEXUAL VIOLENCE, AND SHE
FELT THE MESSAGE WAS BEING
DILUTED BY PEOPLE WHO FELT AN
INAPPROPRIATE COMMENT WAS BEING
LOOPED IN AND THAT SHE WAS THE
ONE WHO STARTED SAYING WE’RE
GOING TO LOSE OUR MOMENTUM ON
THIS ON A GREAT CAUSE ON
SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE
TALKED ABOUT BECAUSE THINGS THAT
PROBABLY ARE MORE COMMON PLACE
IN THE WORKPLACE OR THINGS NOT
AS CLEAR CUT ARE GETTING
INVOLVED IN THE ME TOO MOVEMENT.
>> AND IT’S A SPECTRUM.
RIGHT?
RIGHT? THERE’S PEOPLE THAT HAVE DONE
THINGS AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS
LIKE HARVEY WEINSTEIN WHICH ARE
UNBELIEVABLE.
UNBELIEVABLE. YOU GROUP THEM WITH LITTLE
COMMENTS --
COMMENTS -- >> INAPPROPRIATE COMMENTS.
RIGHT?
RIGHT? >> AND THE OTHER THING IT’S A
SMALL STUDY.
SMALL STUDY. IT WAS I THINK JUST OVER 1,000
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. >> 1500 PEOPLE, I BELIEVE.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. AND YOU HAVE TO WONDER A YEAR
LATER, IS THIS A STUDY -- IS IT
SHOWS A SHIFT OR IS IT SHOWING
FATIGUE, AND PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE
READY TO SAY MAYBE WHAT THEY
ACTUALLY THINK THAN THE RESPONSE
THEY SHOULD GIVE?
AGAIN, THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ON
THE SIDE OF A CHANGE.
ON THE SIDE OF THE ACCUSERS
HERE.
HERE. BUT THIS IS DISAPPOINTING.
>> I THINK -- MY OWN BELIEF IS
SOME OF THIS REFLECTS WHAT WE
SAW WITH KAVANAUGH.
THE ME TO MOVEMENT WAS
WEAPONIZED BY CERTAIN PEOPLE.
I’M NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING
ABOUT CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD.
SHE WAS BY FAR THE MOST CREDIBLE
WITNESS AGAINST KAVANAUGH.
I DON’T KNOW THE WORD.
SHE CONTRADICTED ALL HER OWN
CLAIMS IN HER INTERVIEW WITH
NBC.
NBC. SHE HAS A LONG AND TROUBLED
HISTORY WHEN IT COMES TO
ACCUSATIONS.
ACCUSATIONS. AND HE USED HER.
HE TOUTED HER, QUOTE, GANG RAPE
ACCUSATIONS IN A WAY THAT WAS
COMPLETELY NONCREDIBLE.
COMPLETELY NONCREDIBLE. AND NOW PEOPLE KNOW THAT.
I THINK THERE’S A BACKLASH WHEN
WE SEE THAT HAPPEN.
BECAUSE OTHERS WILL USE IT TO
SAY HOW MANY MORE WOMEN ARE
MAKING IT UP?
YOU KNOW?
YOU KNOW? AND SO IT’S ONE STEP FORWARD,
TWO STEPS BACK.
I THINK WHENEVER WE HAVE CLAIMS,
IT’S FINE TO MAINTAIN YOUR
SKEPTICISM, AND ASSESS PEOPLE’S
CREDIBILITY AND ASSESS WHETHER
THERE’S PROOF AND WHETHER YOU’RE
PERSUADED BY IT.
THAT’S IMPORTANT FOR THE MEN
BEING ACCUSED IN FACT ONE FINAL
POINT, THEY’RE SAYING NOW MORE
AND MORE PEOPLE ARE SAYING THE
SOLUTION TO THIS MAY BE COME UP
WITH BY MOTHERS OF BOTH SONS AND
DAUGHTERS.
DAUGHTERS. IN OTHER WORDS, THE MOTHERS OF
DAUGHTERS FEEL STRONGLY IN ONE
DEPARTMENT AND MOTHERS OF SONS
MAY FEEL DIFFERENTLY IN ANOTHER
DEPARTMENT.
DEPARTMENT. IF YOU HAVE BOTH, YOU COULD BE A
SOLUTION.
SOLUTION. >> YOU HAVE BOTH.
ARE YOU THE SOLUTION?
>> I DON’T KNOW.
MAYBE.
MAYBE. I’M IN AN INTERESTING POSITION
BECAUSE I’VE BEEN SEXUALLY
HARASSED IN MY CAREER, AND I WAS
A CORPORATE LAWYER FOR TEN YEARS
WHERE I HELPED GET SOME OF THE
CASES THROWN OUT.
I ALSO BROUGHT CASES LIKE THIS.
SO I SEE BOTH SIDES.
I ABSOLUTELY KNOW THAT SOME
PEOPLE MAKE IT UP.
IT IS NOT TRUE THAT WE NEED TO
BELIEVE ALL WOMEN.
SOME PEOPLE MAKE IT UP.
AND WOMEN WANT TO SAY NOT MOST
WOMEN.
WOMEN. MOST WOMEN DON’T.
AND I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT THE
FACT THAT THERE ARE ANY MEANS WE
MUST BE VIGILANT WHEN IT COMES
TO DUE PROCESS.
>> WITH BELIEVE ALL WOMEN, I SAY
BELIEVE ALL WOMEN MEANS LET THEM
BE HEARD.
BE HEARD. LET IT BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY WITH
AN OPEN MIND, BUT THEN LET DUE
PROCESS TAKE ITS COURSE.
WE TALKED ABOUT IT WITH TITLE 9.
YOU WANT AN INVESTIGATION THAT’S
FAIR TO BOTH SIDES AND THOROUGH.
YOU DON’T WANT A KANGAROO COURT
OF JUSTICE.
OF JUSTICE. YOU DON’T WANT PEOPLE NOT TO BE
HEARD.
HEARD. RIGHT NOW WE’RE TRYING TO FIND A
BETTER PLACE.
BETTER PLACE. AND ABSOLUTELY FROM WHERE WE
WERE A YEAR AGO, I THINK AMERICA
IS A MUCH MORE ENLIGHTENED AND
SAFER PLACE.
SAFER PLACE. >> BUT ALSO CHANGE TAKES LONGER
THAN A YEAR.
>> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. >> WE’RE STILL FIGURING THIS
OUT.
OUT. >> THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN SUPPORT
OF THE ME TOO MOVEMENT, AND I’M
ONE OF THEM, ALSO NEED TO BE
OPEN MINDED.
OPEN MINDED. IF THE EVIDENCE ISN’T THERE,
THEN YOU NEED TO BE OPEN MINDED
TO THAT, TOO.
NOT EVERYONE WHO GETS ACCUSED IS
GUILTY.
GUILTY. IF THE EVIDENCE TAKES YOU TO A
PLACE THAT LOOKS CLOSER TO
EXONERATION, YOU EITHER ACCEPT
OR AT LEAST YOU DON’T DEMONIZE
THE OTHER SIDE.
IN THE CASE OF BRETT KAVANAUGH,
FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE MAJOR
QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER HE DID
IT.
IT. AND YOU CAN BELIEVE HIS
ACCUSERS, BUT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND
WHY THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS.
WHEN I SEE WOMEN CHASING DOWN
TED CRUZ, AND TED CRUZ, YOU CAN
DISLIKE HIM, MOST OF HIS
COLLEAGUES DO FROM WHAT I READ,
BUT DON’T CHASE HIM DOWN AND
YELL YOU FAVOR SEXUAL ASSAULT.
YOU LIKE SEXUAL ASSAULTERS
BECAUSE YOU VOTED YES ON
KAVANAUGH.
KAVANAUGH. THAT’S ABSURD.
THAT’S ABSURD. YOU COULD HAVE GONE EITHER WAY
ON KAVANAUGH.
ON KAVANAUGH. WE DON’T NEED TO DEMONIZE EACH
OTHER BECAUSE YOU CAME DOWN ONE
WAY OR THE OTHER.
>>> WE WANTED TO GET TO THIS
TOPIC, MATT.
TOPIC, MATT. MATT IS A JACK OF ALL TRADES.
HE HAS DONE IT ALL.
EVERYTHING YOU EVER WANTED TO
DO, MATT HAS DONE IT.
>> PROFESSIONAL BLACKJACK
DEALER?
DEALER? >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. I WAS IN VEGAS.
>> HE DID A CART WHEEL ON THE
WAY OUT.
WAY OUT. I MISSED IT.
>> I GOT DARED INTO DOING IT.
>> WE’RE TRYING TO GET THE VIDEO
FOR LATER.
FOR LATER. >>> WALL STREET JOURNAL TALKING
ACT HOW A GROWING NUMBER OF
PEOPLE HAVE A CREATIVE SIDE GIG
TO THEIR LAME DAY JOB.
THEY USE ONE JOB TO PAY THE
BILLS BUT THEY’RE MAKING ATE
POINT TO FIND SOMETHING THAT
ENERGIZES THEM ON THE SIDE.
ONE EXAMPLE WAS DID YOU KNOW
JOHN LEGEND WAS A MANAGEMENT
CONSULTANT AT A BOSTON COMPANY,
AND THEN JUST WROTE SONGS ON THE
SIDE.
SIDE. THAT WORKED OUT PRETTY WELL FOR
HIM.
HIM. PEOPLE ARE FINDING NEW WAYS TO
SERVE THEIR HAPPINESS AND
INSISTING ON HAVING MORE THAN
JUST THEIR SORT OF CHECK THE BOX
DAY JOB.
DAY JOB. >> I THIS IS A REAL GENERATIONAL
THING.
THING. IF YOU LOOK BACK TO MY PARENTS
OR GRANDPARENTS, YOU GOT A JOB.
IF YOU WENT TO COLLEGE YKOR OUT
HIGH SCHOOL, YOU GET A JOB AND
STAY THERE FOR 40 YEARS.
YOU WEREN’T SUPPOSED TO BE
HAPPY.
HAPPY. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HARD WORK.
I THINK WE’VE BEEN SO PRIVILEGED
TO GROW UP IN A TIME WITH
OPPORTUNITIES.
OPPORTUNITIES. I EMBODY THAT.
I WAS A DOCTOR.
ON PAPER IT’S AN INCREDIBLE JOB,
BUT I KNEW MY HEART WASN’T IN
IT.
IT. I WAS FORTUNATE TO HAVE PARENTS
WHO SUPPORTED ME NOT JUST TO DO
A SIDE HUSTLE BUT TO THROW IT
ALL AWAY AND GO TELL JOKES AND
PURSUE MY DREAM.
I THANK GOD EVERY DAY THAT I DID
THAT, BECAUSE YOU REALIZE THE
THING MY DAD SAID TO ME, MY DAD
WHO IS A WORLD RENOWNED
PHYSICIAN.
PHYSICIAN. WHEN I TOLD HIM I’M LEAVING
MEDICINE TO TRY STANDUP, I WAS
TERRIFIED.
TERRIFIED. THIS MAN SUPPORTED EVERYTHING.
HE SAID LIFE IS SPORT.
DO WHAT MAKES YOU HAPPY.
THAT’S THE BEST ADVICE.
>> IT WORKED OUT SO WELL.
I MEAN, LOOK AT YOU NOW.
>> I’M HEAR WITH MEGYN KELLY.
>> WHEN I READ THIS ARTICLE, IED
A A DIFFERENT OPINION.
I’M LIKE ISN’T THIS JUST A
HOBBY?
HOBBY? ACTUALLY, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DOING
THAT FOR YEARS.
MY DAD IS NOW A PAINTER WHICH IS
HILARIOUS.
HILARIOUS. AND HE LOVES IT.
>> IS THAT AN ART REVIEW RIGHT
THERE, JENNA.
THERE, JENNA. >> WELL, IT’S HILARIOUS FOR A
MAN WHO WASN’T INTERESTED IN ART
IS PAINTING FOUR HOURS A DAY.
YOU CAN LIVE DIFFERENT LIVES.
HE BECAME INSPIRED BY WINSTON
CHURCHILL WHO WAS A PAINTER.
I KIND OF THING PEOPLE HAVE HAD
DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF LIFE,
PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GROW.
>> I’VE WRITTEN FOR ROLLING
STONE FOR YEARS.
WE’VE HAD A WORD FOR PEOPLE WHO
PLAYED MUSIC AND HAD A DAY JOB.
THAT WAS MUSICIANS.
I MEAN, AND GENERATIONALLY, A
CHANGE HERE IS NOT JUST THAT
PEOPLE EXPECT TO DO SOMETHING
ELSE TO FIND HAPPINESS, BUT THEY
ALSO EXPECT TO FIND SUCCESS AT
IT.
IT. THINK THEY NOT JUST I’M GOING TO
BE A MUSICIAN, BUT THIS WOULD BE
A REAL CAREER BECAUSE YOUTUBE
HAS CHANGED THINGS.
THE DEGREE OF IT.
THE WAY OF GETTING EXPOSURE HAS
CHANGED THINGS.
CHANGED THINGS. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF SHIFTS.
>> I WOULD SAY THAT PURSUING THE
OUTSIDE HOBBY WHILE YOU’RE DOING
A JOB COULD BE THE KEY TO
EVERYTHING.
EVERYTHING. IN MY CASE, I WAS A PRACTICING
LAWYER.
LAWYER. I WASN’T HAPPY.
I DECIDED TO TAKE GUITAR
LESSONS.
LESSONS. IN THE GUITAR LESSON I MET
SOMEONE WHO HELPED ME MAKE A
TAPE.
TAPE. I WOULD DO MY DAY JOB OWN BE ON
THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CHICAGO
WITH A MIKE IN MY HAND AND MY
NEWS CLASS WITH MY FAKE
MICROPHONE LIKE TODAY, THERE WAS
A FIVE CAR PILEUP.
ALL I COULD THINK WAS PLEASE,
GOD, DON’T LET ANYONE FROM MY
DAY JOB SEE ME.
BUT IT TURNED INTO MY NEW
BUSINESS.
BUSINESS. >> WASTED POST GRAD EDUCATION.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. NOT ONLY DID IT MAKE ME SUPER
HAPPY, BUT IT MADE MATT SO HAPPY
THAT WHEN HE COMES ONTO TV, HE
NOW DOES THINGS LIKE THIS.
WE HAVE IT.
>> WAIT.
>> WAIT. ARE YOU GOING TO BE A GYMNAST
NOW?
NOW? >> I DON’T THINK SO.
>> ARE YOU GOING TO --
>> I HAVE TO SAY I’M GLAD MY
PANTS DIDN’T SPLIT.
PRETTY GOOD FAR BIG GUY.
>> WELL-DONE, SIR.
>> THAT’S WHY HE’S THE CO-HOST
OF --
OF -- >> AMERICAN NINJA WARRIOR.