So what's your question again um what do you mean when you say Jesus is a Muslim excellent so
um the word Muslim what's your understanding
so linguistically Muslim means a person who submits their will to the will of God
okay so according to that definition anyone who submits their will to the
will of God is a Muslim Abraham Moses Jesus they're all Muslims
who's Jesus Christ for you guys I'm I'm not religious I was raised
right I wouldn't say I believe in God, okay but I think Jesus is a good person to look up to okay
okay yeah I agree with you on that on that point no doubt like all the other messages and Prophets
who over time they came as examples for us on how to live our lives for their people that they are
signed and do you know anything about the Prophet Muhammadﷺﷺ peace be upon him do okay go ahead
I mean I just know that he's the key figure in Islam and the God sent angel Gabriel who dictated
the word of God to him exodus the Quran which is the final word of God because the bible over
time was written by humans and thus it was changed but then God sent angel Gabriel down
to Prophet Muhammad ﷺ peace be upon him I thought it was it was mary no no no no no no married
no no the Quran is the final word of God and because it's not changed by humans oh you're a
Muslim no I just know that he sounds like a Muslim baseball baseball baseball definition yeah so uh
I mean you look like you've looked into it yeah I have actually yeah there's a there was a guy on I
forgot where I meant but he gave me like a little pamphlet like one of these and he gave me a Quran
well I suppose that um you know the misconception that a hijab is meant to oppress women
rather it's meant to uh show how sacred women are precisely and in fact is there's a form it's a
form of uh a liberation as well especially in the way a day and age that we live in where women are
you know with all due respect I used uh many you know uh advertising companies to sell all sorts of
things and even in society they've been degrading in that way but made to feel like this is a
means of liberation in fact in this day and age that hijab is a form of liberation for the woman
to choose that I want to dress in this way I think the only danger with it though is that it
differentiates men and women and I think that that's you know why why don't men wear hijabs
okay so there is a there is a dress code for men as well we can't just dress any way we look
belly button yeah so I mean there is there are certain parts we're not not very personal but
a certain part of our body I mean we can't just walk around completely naked for example that's
for men and women okay yeah that's just the law isn't it exactly it's a law as well so we
obey the law of the land so similarly we believe the law which has been given to the humanity
is the Quran and that's called what you've heard the word sharia okay this is a this is a law
from God telling us how we how we should live our life okay the do's and don'ts so that dress code
is men and women but we don't believe men and women are exactly the same of course we've been
created different if you look at us biologically psychologically uh emotionally in many different
ways we are different from one another so uh as a result of that our roles should also be different
what do you think um I i understand where that comes from I understand the logic behind it
I mean how many how many women do uh in the building industry and how many men I
i work as work as nurses yeah but I think you've got to work out like that of course there's
choices as well and there's opportunities without come there but naturally men will
men will go into certain jobs because I think men like to um men think about things and women
think about people except like this so that's just psychologically how we're different okay we have
different roles and if we enact if we sort of um follow these roles that we've been given then we
grow as a society are you a married man I am um and would you consider yourself the man
of the house absolutely so the responsibility is given given to the man in an islamic relationship
um
but yeah so the responsibility is given to the man to provide for the financial
needs of the household um and the woman there you could say well where's their quality now
you know why are women not uh having to sort of provide for shelter and the
financial sort of needs of the side of the uh maritime household so we have different roles
and when we enact those roles we grow and we fulfil our purpose
and can I ask you a question you're asking another question another way around do you believe in God
um I think it's silly to not believe it but I don't think it's um the God that's been painted
out you know that it's a I think rather God is why you guys want this I think God
what do you think God is
I'm not I'm not religious I don't I don't follow any religion but I completely
I believe in life of the universe I don't know I just I haven't I haven't come across
one that really speaks to yeah like I haven't come across like I like the idea of buddhism I
feel I feel like I can operate without God like I feel like my I feel like my idea of ethics and my
my understanding of how the world works is like I work completely fine without you know believing
okay where does that come from what do you what do you say when people say it's a source of comfort
sorry what do you say when people say that a religion is just a source of compass
I mean let me give you an example do you believe the universe has always existed
I believe there was there was like a moment in which the universe was created and I think it's
completely random okay I think I think when people say you know the reason why we're here
the reason why everything is so perfect you know with the perfect distance from the sun
you know we have a perfect amount of oxygen to sustain life I i I do think it's entirely random
and I'm completely fine with it I'm completely fine with accepting that we're here by chance
oh no step by step okay so you believe that the universe began to exist at one point yeah okay
now I would like to ask you is it rational for anything especially the universe to create itself
can the universe create itself no no okay but I don't I wouldn't look at it like that I would I
would look at it as as there's nothing into something as like a completely random event
of nothing into something sure but the two points I asked you the universe began to exist
yeah okay and it couldn't have created itself and you agreed on those two points
so my rational without I'm not speaking about islam or any religion here my rational deduction
from those two points is something must have caused the universe to exist okay and that thing
or that energy or that entity whatever you want to call it must have a will because it decided to do
something it must have power immense power it must have intelligence because we look at the universe
around us these things aren't haphazardly put in certain places certain proportions there is there
is an order and a system behind us so it points to intelligence it points to a will it points
to power okay this is what we call God now that i've mentioned i've explained why I believe in God
not using emotions okay now i'll ask you why so you've accepted that yes do you believe in God
but you're not going to practice but you may not call it God you may call it mother nature you may
call it here you may call it a force these are semantics okay I i think I think with with more
kind of with more kind of like thinking over in my head I could probably come to the conclusion that
something out there probably did I don't think I would worship it in the same way as as as
most religious people do but I think probably jumping their gun to other things okay yeah okay
so so we've established here without using islam without using religion why a creator must
exist behind this universe because universe can't create itself and it began to exist okay now
uh we do you believe that we have a he or that this entity created us for a purpose
to reproduce okay can I can I ask you so sorry can I ask you because i've given you my reasons
okay irrational rational reasons for believing in a creator and you agree they're rational yes
okay and they're logical as well okay now I want to ask you
because you're talking about who has this sort of comfort etc why do you disbelieve in a creator for
this later for this lady ah well I don't think there's any points in it okay why do you not
believe that they're a creator because i've given you my explanation for believing in the creator
why do you believe that this universe created itself and that we came from fish well the
thing is I just think that's just it's just um unproductive putting uh effort into I didn't get
you don't believe that uh knowing our purpose in this life and where we came from where we're
going it's subjective I think to him his purpose may be different sure but we have a core purpose
um my my my kind of my point of where I'm at right now yep and it changes quite a lot like
you know being introduced to new things that sort of changes but the point that I'm at right now
is that I sort of feel like I'm here for a short amount of time I agree I'm
and I don't think there's anything past that but I sort of see that as like a point of comfort like
I'm here for a very short amount of time I die and in that short amount of time I have I have the
freedom to be able to explore all of these kind of other ideas of purpose and I don't I don't think
I've ever come to an idea of kind of like why I'm here let me give you let me give a hypothetical
situation here okay two individuals one believes in God follows the commandments of God
follows how God wants them to live their lives and you may seem may think they're restricting
their life in certain ways and in doing not doing certain things have a good day thank you very much
one true message thank you all the youth coming up to us but uh have a good day man okay so one
person believes in God believes in that we have a purpose in his life lives their life
how God wants to live it the other believes there is no God does whatever they want
obviously doesn't live their life how God wants to live because they don't believe there is a God
they both die okay in the hereafter there's one of two scenarios either there is a God in which case
the atheist is in trouble okay okay okay okay and the person who's lived their life uh worshiping
God and living life is in a good place because they follow the commandments or there isn't a God
in which case the person who lived their life as a religious person following certain rules
is no worse off yeah yeah because that's a good gamble because there is a gamble so yeah and if
you're going to go from that perspective okay that if there either there is a God or oh there isn't
a God there's no third option here okay and if there is a God that religious person has nothing
to lose because you die and nothing happens but the uh and the atheist similarly is in the same
boat but there if there is a God the atheist is in trouble and the religious person obviously is
in a good position so if you want to view it from a from a chances perspective yeah obviously there
is nothing there that makes it there so you'd head your bets on actually but actually trying to find
the truth and we don't say you should of course I would love every person to accept islam I believe
this is the truth and I believe this is the only way to paradise this is what I genuinely believe
okay which is the reason why we're here every saturday and all these guys we have day jobs
we don't get paid for this we come here to allow people to learn about islam if i
and the way I do that is I seem like a nice person thank you yeah and I
i see my actions as having consequences and through that I decide what's good and bad
excellent and I and I assume that sort of Muslims go along with that you know no no you you choose
your actions and you choose actions that have good consequences but and I would hope that the
only difference so let's say you know we get to the you know we get to the day of judgment and
the only difference I would hope between me and a Muslim is the fact that they have faith in God
they they believe in a God we both live the same moral life but that they just have faith in God um
would I would I not get into heaven nearly because I don't have faith in God great question so when
we're in this lot we live in this life we have a horizontal relationship with those around us
our neighbors our family members our friends etc and we have a vertical relationship which is what
we leave in islam with us and the creator now you can be great to your neighbors you can great to
everyone around you give charity do all of these good things and you'll be rewarded for that in
this life yes in this life either by God removing some harm from you or giving you some some of the
blessings which you're enjoying okay but if not a single day you've acknowledged the creator okay
and you haven't you've not lived your life how he wants you to live and not worship how you
how he wants you to worship him then in the hereafter there is no portion for that person
okay this is so that's that's essentially the answer so even though you will be a good
person and you're rewarded in this life for that goodness but you haven't you have not
uh established that relationship with the one who created you okay now who gave you your eyes
so we believe this blessing of eyesight okay um if I was to say look I want one of your
eyes for a million pounds would you give it to me I'm really honest I actually probably would
yeah I want both your eyes or maybe your teeth as well no I'm not okay fine there's always there's
always a limit to something all right yeah yeah yeah you spend a lot of time on those teeth at the
moment to get them straight yeah you can't give them up it's the teeth that did it okay so so
these things which we gave we'll be given for free yeah we were born with these blessings
okay and we and we'd never give it up for any sum of money it was priceless okay now God wants one
thing from us to recognize him to recognize him as a creator and to obey him not for his sake
because we can be the most evil people and and we can all be like that and it won't harm him
and we can be angels and it won't benefit him it's for our own sake okay so that in gratitude
is the uh and the lack of recognition of him as a creator is a person's ticket to the hellfire in
the hereafter even though they're a good person for everyone else if they don't recognize that
creation that relationship there's no portion in the hereafter for them and that's the justice of
God and islam is we believe is the only means of salvation we don't believe another person
would be burdened with your sins we don't believe if a person already died for me then I could do
whatever I want okay where's the justice and if he's innocent why is he being punished for my sins
Jesus Christ which I'm referring to and you're learning about that so we believe we ourselves
are accountable for our own actions we are born sinless but we choose what we do in this life
and that's the paradigm that's that's islamic do you have a Quran you say I do I have one would you
like one yeah here we go there you go um is that for free absolutely yeah thank you not probably if
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