ANA KASPARIAN WAS ON CNN AND LET THE HOUSE ON FIRE.
I DON'T KNOW IF I LET THE HOUSE ON FIRE, BUT I WAS ON CNN
YESTERDAY.
I WAS ON A SHOW CALLED RELIABLE SOURCES, AND I WANTED TO TALK
ABOUT IT BECAUSE THERE'S SOME INSIDE BASEBALL, SOME THOUGHTS,
A LOT OF PEOPLE ON TWITTER HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT.
THEY BROUGHT ME ON WITH A TEA PARTY CONSERVATIVE WHO IS IN
SUPPORT OF DONALD TRUMP.
THE NIGHT BEFORE THE INTERVIEW I DECIDED, MAYBE IT IS A GOOD
IDEA FOR ME TO RESEARCH THE SHOW.
I HAVE TO BE HONEST, I DID NOT KNOW WHO THE NEW HOUSEWIFE,
BECAUSE YOU HAD BEEN ON THE SHOW BEFORE.
I DON'T WATCH CABLE NEWS ANYMORE, THE ONLY TIME I
WATCH CABLE NEWS IS WHEN I FIND ALL THE INACCURACIES THAT
THEY REPORT ABOUT.
BRIAN STELTER, I KNEW HIM, BUT THE TEA PARTY ACTIVIST I DID NOT
KNOW HOW IT WAS GOING TO GO.
I HAD VERY LITTLE PREPARATION, USUALLY THE PRODUCER TRIES
TO PREPARE YOU AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, I DID NOT KNOW
WHAT I WAS WALKING INTO.
I ACTUALLY LIKE THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY INTENDED THAT,
BUT ON TV THEY OVER PREPARE AND OVERPRODUCE.
THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS WENT IN RELATIVELY COLD, I DON'T
MIND AT ALL.
THE WAY YOU CAME OUT SO STRONG, NOT KNOWING WHAT THE TOPICS
ARE, THAT WAS EVEN MORE IMPRESSIVE.
THERE ARE TWO CLIPS.
THE ENTIRE INTERVIEW WAS ABOUT FIVE MINUTES LONG, BUT THE
TWO CLIPS THAT I CHOSE WILL GIVE YOU THE JUST OF HOW THE
DISCUSSION WENT.
LET ME TRY A THEORY ON BOTH OF YOU.
ANA, MANY MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA ARE DEAF TO THE FRUSTRATION
IN THE COUNTRY, THE BECAUSE JOURNALISTS, AT LEAST MEDIA
ñ MAJOR MEDIA OUTLETS TEND TO BE PAID BETTER THAN THE
AVERAGE AMERICAN.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT THEORY ANA?
I THINK IT IS TRUE, ESPECIALLY OF ESTABLISHMENT
MEDIA, BECAUSE THE SAME TYPES OF COMPONENTS THAT CORRUPT OUR
POLITICIANS I THINK ALSO CORRUPT MAINSTREAM MEDIA, SO IT IS
REALLY DIFFICULT FOR MAINSTREAM OUTLETS TO TALK ABOUT THINGS
LIKE INCOME INEQUALITY, WEALTH
INEQUALITY WHEN THE ADVERTISERS THAT ARE FUNDING THEIR
SHOWS ARE THE SAME CORPORATIONS THAT WANT TO ENSURE THAT
THE SAME SYSTEM CONTINUES.
I THINK WHEN PEOPLE WATCH DIGITAL MEDIA OR NEW MEDIA
THEY GET A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MESSAGE.
THEY FOCUS ON THE ISSUES THAT MATTER OR RESONATE MORE ON THE
ñ WITH THE CONSTITUENCY.
SCOTTY, DO YOU BUY INTO THAT ARGUMENT?
SHE MAKES GOOD POINTS BUT HONESTLY I DISAGREE.
IN JOURNALISM WE KNOW THAT IF IT BLEEDS IT LEADS, AND WE'RE
NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PHYSICAL.
WE ARE $19 TRILLION IN DEBT, WITH 19 MILLION PEOPLE OUT OF
THE WORKFORCE, WE SEE TERRORIST ISSUE IS ABROAD AND AT HOME,
THOSE ARE THE STORIES THAT ARE
LEADING OUR HEADLINES.
THE RATINGS SHOW THAT THOSE
TYPES OF HEADLINES MAKE IT,
SO I THINK JOURNALISTS DO KNOW ABOUT THE ANGER.
IF ANYTHING, THEY ARE NOT TRYING TO PUT THE WARM AND FUZZY
STORIES AS THEIR HEADLINES.
I DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ñ
AND NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT A WARM AND FUZZY ISSUES.
INCOME INEQUALITY IS NOT A WARM AND FUZZY ISSUE.
SHE IS THE ATTORNEY OF WHAT JOURNALISTS ARE NOT
SUPPOSED TO BE.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT TO INSULT HER WHEN SHE CAN'T DEFEND
HERSELF, BUT WHEN YOU MAKE THE STATEMENT, IF IT BLEEDS IT
LEADS, THAT GOES AGAINST THE WHOLE POINT OF JOURNALISM.
IF YOU FOCUS ON WHAT IS GOING TO GET YOU VIEWS AND AN AUDIENCE,
THEN YOU ARE DOING THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT A JOURNALIST IS SUPPOSED
TO DO.
BUT I AM NOT SURPRISED BY THAT.
I LOVE THAT YOU DID TWO THINGS, YOU CAME INTO CNN'S HOUSE AND
LIT A MATCH.
NO DISRESPECT ñ
VIDEO BUFFERING ñ
WHEN YOU
SAY THAT, WHEN YOU WALK INTO SOMEONE'S HOUSE
AND YOU INSULT THEM, WHICH IS BASICALLY WHAT I DID, THEY
ARE NOT GOING TO INVITE YOU BACK.
VIDEO BUFFERING.
BEFORE I DID THE INTERVIEW I MADE A DECISION, AND I
DECIDED THAT I DON'T CARE IF I GET INVITED ON CNN AGAIN.
CNN IS
NOT MY GOAL, IT IS NOT WHAT I
ASPIRE TO DO IN MY CAREER.
WHAT I DO RIGHT NOW IS WHAT I WANT TO DO, I GET TO
DELIVER MY OPINIONS ABOUT ANYONE TELLING ME THAT I CANNOT.
I WENT IN THERE KNOWING THAT I'M PROBABLY GOING TO DESTROY ANY
CHANCE I HAVE OF EVER GOING ON
CNN AGAIN, AND THAT IS FINE.
I ALMOST WANT TO RAISE YOUR HAND AND DECLARE YOU CHAMPION.
THE SECOND THING THAT I LOVE THAT YOU DID THERE WAS, YOU
SOMEHOW GOT HER TOTALLY OFF HER TARGET POINT AND INTO WHAT
SHE ACTUALLY BELIEVES.
SHE NORMALLY IS SUPPOSED TO COME ON AND YELL AT THE LIBERAL
MEDIA, AND STELTER ASKED A QUESTION THAT WOULD NORMALLY
TEE HER UP TO DO THAT.
BUT YOU TURNED AROUND AND SAID THAT THE MEDIA IS BAD
BECAUSE THEY REPRESENT THE PROPAGANDA THAT THE
ESTABLISHMENT WANTS, AND SHE IS LIKE, WAIT BUT WAIT, THAT
PROPAGANDA IS REALLY GOOD.
I WANT THAT PROPAGANDA.
BE SCARED OF TERRORISM, AND ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ARE OUT OF WORK.
THAT IS THE PROPAGANDA THEY HAVE BEEN PUSHING, THE MEDIA IS
HER BEST FRIEND, AND IF YOU PUSH HER THAT IS WHAT SHE WILL ADMIT.
I WENT UP THERE TALKING ABOUT THE ECONOMY, AND SHE
THROUGHOUT THIS VERY DECEPTIVE,
94 MILLION PEOPLE OUT OF THE WORKFORCE NUMBER.
SO WHAT IS IT?
DO YOU THINK THESE ISSUES ARE IMPORTANT OR NOT?
I SAID THEY ARE IMPORTANT AND WE SHOULD DISCUSS THEM, AND THEN
YOU AGREE WITH ME BUT THEN SAID
YOU DISAGREE.
BY THE WAY, THE 94
MILLION STATISTIC SHE THROUGHOUT THERE IS SUPER DECEPTIVE.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN THERE ARE RETIREES AND STUDENTS.
THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY WORKED OR ARE IN SCHOOL.
THEN THERE ARE ALSO STAY-AT-HOME PARENTS.
WHEN PRESIDENT BUSH LEFT OFFICE WE WERE LOSING
700,000 JOBS A MONTH.
ALMOST 1,000,000
JOBS PER MONTH, WE WERE BLEEDING JOBS AND SO BADLY.
NOW WE HAVE HAD A RECORD NUMBER OF MONTHS IN THE ROW WHERE
WE HAVE ADDED JOBS, LITERALLY A RECORD IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
IT IS EASY TO SAY AT ANYTIME, 94 MILLION PEOPLE ARE OUT OF WORK.
YES, IF YOU CAN'T RETIRED PEOPLE AND ALL THAT.
WAS IT BETTER UNDER OBAMA OR BETTER UNDER BUSH?
IT IS A MILLION TIMES BETTER UNDER OBAMA.
THE REASON SHE BRINGS IT UP IS TO POINT OUT, THE NUMBER IS
BAD, THAT MUST BE OBAMA'S FAULT.
AND WHAT DOES THE MEDIA DO?
THEY DO EXACTLY WHAT SHE WANTS.
COVER TERRORISM WALL TO WALL, AND WHENEVER THERE IS AN ISSUE
ABOUT THE ECONOMY THEY DON'T EVER TALK ABOUT INCOME
INEQUALITY, THE TALK ABOUT DEFICIT.
OBAMA HAS LOWERED THE DEFICIT CONSIDERABLY, BUT THEY
WON'T TALK ABOUT THAT EITHER.
HERE IS THE SECOND PART OF THE VIDEO WHERE THINGS GET A LOT
MORE HEATED.
I WANTED TO MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT HOW A LOT OF THE ISSUES
THAT MATTER THE MOST TO THE ELECTORATE DON'T GET COVERED AT
ALL.
LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THAT.
STUDENT LOAN DEBT IS ONE OF THEM, THAT IS IMPACTING OUR
ECONOMY IN ONE OF THE MOST NEGATIVE WAYS IMAGINABLE
AND WE'RE SITTING HERE HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT
IMMIGRATION AND BUILDING WALLS.
IF YOU FOCUS ON THE ACTUAL NUMBERS, ACCORDING TO PEW
RESEARCH, IMMIGRATION FROM MEXICO IS BELOW NET 0.
THAT MEANS WE HAVE MORE MEXICAN IMMIGRANTS LEAVING THE
COUNTRY RIGHT NOW THAN COMING IN.
INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON ISSUES THAT ACTUALLY MATTER TO
MILLENNIAL VOTERS FOR INSTANCE WE ARE FOCUSING ON NON-ISSUES.
FEAR MONGERING, AND MUSLIMS.
I HATE TO TELL YOU THIS, THERE IS MORE IN THIS WORLD
THAN JUST MILLENNIAL'S.
COLLEGE DEBT IS A BIG ISSUE, BUT WHEN PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY
SCARED FOR THEIR LIVES, THAT IS THE HEADLINE READ THERE.
ACROSS THE BOARD, BOTH PARTIES RIGHT NOW HAVE LET THEIR
CONSTITUENCIES DOWN AND THE MEDIA IS JUST SITTING THERE
TELLING THE STORIES.
I'M SORRY, IF THERE WAS A TERRORIST ACTION THAT HAPPENED
IN THE UNITED STATES AND A LEAD OFF WITH COLLEGE DEBT, I
WOULD CONSIDER THAT MEDIA OUTLETS TO BE A COMPLETE JOKE.
TO SEE YOU THINK THAT OUR CURRENT ECONOMIC SITTING IN
THE UNITED STATES IS NOT A BIG DEAL?
YOU WOULD RATHER FEARMONGER ABOUT NONEXISTENT THREATS
INSIDE THE UNITED STATES INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON ISSUES THAT
ARE BURDENING OUR ECONOMY?
STUDENT LOAN DEBT DOES NOT JUST IMPACTS OF STUDENTS, IT IMPACTS
YOU AND OUR ECONOMY, BECAUSE HOW ARE MILLENNIAL'S SUPPOSED TO
CONTRIBUTE TO OUR ECONOMY WE ARE BURDENED WITH STUDENT LOAN DEBT?
WHEN SIXTY-TWO BRITISH PEOPLE IN THE WORLD OWN MORE WEALTH
THAN THE BOTTOM 3.5 BILLION PEOPLE IN THE WORLD, HOW
ARE YOU GOING TO TALK TO ME ABOUT THE ISSUES DON'T MATTER?
DID YOU DROP THE MICROPHONE AT THE END?
WHEN YOU SAID I HAVE TO PLAY REFEREE HERE I WAS LIKE,
HERE IS THE THING, YOU BROUGHT ME ON WITH A CONSERVATIVE,
LET ME DO MY THING.
ISN'T THIS WHAT YOU GUYS WANT IT?
AND I DON'T LIKE BEING EQUATED WITH HER, BECAUSE I AM NOT
IN THE SAME CAMP AS HER.
I AM NOT EXTREME IN MY VIEWS, MY VIEWS ARE THINGS I HAVE
RESEARCHED AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR YEARS.
IF I AM EVER WRONG, THE AUDIENCE HOLD ME ACCOUNTABLE AND I
CORRECT MY MISTAKES.
I AM NOT THE OPPOSITE EXTREME OF A TEA PARTY ACTIVISTS, SO
THAT MADE ME MAD AND I FELT LIKE, YEAH YOU DO HAVE TO
PLAY REFEREE.
THAT IS YOUR ROLE HERE, ISN'T IT?
I THOUGHT FOR SURE THEY PREPPED YOU ABOUT IMMIGRATION,
BECAUSE YOU PULLED THAT NET ZERO
STAT AND I WAS LIKE DAMN.
BECAUSE I KNOW MY SHIT.
AND I'M NOT DOING THIS TO DO MY OWN WORK, I TAKE THE NEWS
IS SERIOUSLY.
I AM NOT GOING TO HALF ASS IT.
I'M GOING TO HAVE TALKING POINTS PREPARED.
I'M GLAD HE WENT THE WAY IT DID, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL RESONATE
WITH ANYONE, AND CHANGE THE WAY THINGS ARE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO SAW IT
ONLINE AND FELT IT.
HOW OFTEN DO PEOPLE COME ON TV AND SAY, YOU ARE MISSING THE
WHOLE STORY?
LIKE YOU SAID, SIXTY-TWO PEOPLE IN THE WORLD HAVE AS MUCH
MONEY AS 3 1/2 BILLION PEOPLE.
YOU GUYS NEVER TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE YOU ARE FUNDED BY
THOSE SIXTY-TWO PEOPLE IN A LOT OF WAYS.
SO I AM GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR YOU
DON'T LIKE IT.
WHAT DOES SHE DO?
SHEET OF PROPAGANDA, IF IT BLEEDS IT LEADS, IF THERE
IS TERRORISM I'M SORRY BUT WHEN I CAN TALK ABOUT COLLEGE THEN.
NOBODY IS SAYING, RIGHT AFTER A BOMB GOES OFF I NEED TO
TALK ABOUT COLLEGE.
WE ARE SAYING, AT SOME POINT CAN WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT
COLLEGE DEBT?
AS YOU POINTED OUT, IT HURTS THE ECONOMY BECAUSE THEY DON'T
HAVE THE MONEY TO SPEND ELSEWHERE.
IF YOU THINK THAT IS NOT IMPORTANT OR RELEVANT, THEN YOU
ARE MISSING NOT PAYING ATTENTION.
IF YOU PRETEND TO CARE ABOUT THE ECONOMY, THAT YOU WOULD
CARE ABOUT THIS, BUT SHE DOES NOT, SHE CAN PICK ñ
SHE CARES ABOUT PROPAGANDA.
YOU THROUGH HER THROUGH SO MANY LOOPS THAT SHE HAD THIS LOOK
ON HER FACE THE ENTIRE TIME, THAT WAS ENJOYABLE TO WATCH.
WORDS OF WISDOM IF ANYBODY WANTS TO BE ON TV AND GET
INTO THESE DEBATES, IF YOU ARE DISAGREEING WITH SOMEONE IT IS
BETTER TO NOT MAKE THOSE SPACES, BECAUSE YOU, BUT UNPROFESSIONAL.
IF SHE WAS PUNCHING ME IN MY FACE, YES IT WOULD SUCK, BUT IT
LOOKS PETTY WHEN YOU ARE ROLLING YOUR EYES AND SHAKING YOUR HEAD.
SHE HAD NOTHING, SHE HAD NO IDEA WHAT SHE WAS WALKING INTO.
I DON'T THINK CNN HAD ANY IDEA WHAT THEY WERE DOING WHEN
THEY INVITED ME ON.
LASTLY, IF SHE IS GOING TO
FEARMONGER ABOUT IMMIGRATION, AND YOU SAY
IMMIGRATION IS BELOW NET ZERO, YOU JUST PULLED THE RUG OUT FROM
UNDER HER.
4 DECADES, WE HAVE COVERED IT ON THE SHOW, REPUBLICANS AND
CONSERVATIVES WERE ALL OVER LIBERALS ON CABLE TELEVISION.
FOXNEWS WILL ON PURPOSE BRING ON LIBERALS SO THEY CAN
STEAMROLL THEM.
THEY WILL BRING ON WEAKER LIBERALS.
WE DO NOT GET STEAMROLLED, WE ARE THE STEAMROLLER.