>> Do you feel comfortable with me using female toilet?
>> My God, of course. I would- >> Does that depend on me having
had surgery? >> No.
>> What would you say? I don't wanna dwell on this for too long but,
what would you say to those people who would have an issue sharing a public bathroom with me?
>> My goodness, say that's another human being. How can you,
I understand fearing what you don't know. I understand kinda being like, I don't
really understand about this and I've never met someone and go and speak, go learn, go speak, go
yeah, go look into the whites of someone's eyes that's had this experience.
>> So that right, there was a recently resurfaced bit of an interview that Emma Watson did I back
in I believe 2019 with author and activist Paris Lee is a trans gender writer and campaigner. Now,
of course the transgender community is under the gun every day by the right wing.
So, several years ago having a high profile actress like Emma Watson talking like this
a lot of people have raised us as Katie says, being simultaneously a legend and also
relentlessly normal. This is how you should think. Others have been attacking her based on this. Now,
I wanna give you a little bit more from the interview and then we'll discuss.
>> And tell me after you've done that, that you do not see or feel their humanity or understand
their story or that like there's any part of you that feels that it's okay to make
that person not feel included. Making people feel not included I think is,
It's just such a painful, awful thing to do.
And it has such big effects. I guess I'd ask them, have you ever felt that you weren't included?
>> Yeah. >> Have you ever felt yourself
not welcome somewhere? Not invited,- >> Have you felt like that?
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. And I think that any sane rational
person with an ounce of compassion in them, does not think that first of all can see past the lives
that are being used to hem in legally and socially the transition community in every direction.
But we just saw remember Watson is just natural compassion. These are people why would you want to
make your life your activism about trying to make them
feel and be legally excluded in so many of these different areas? Francesca, what do you think?
>> Yeah. I'm just trying to get over the fact that she is super cute.
She's just undeniably cute. And I know we're gonna talk about the don't say gay bill,
but I think Emma Watson's turning me gay. I'll just put that out there. She's,
>> The videos are now banned in Florida. >> Yes, her video have been banned in Florida,
but she's right on and I think that that the first
thing that she was saying is like I understand not understanding it.
And I think so much of not the vitriolic weaponized strategic
transphobia, but the kind of nascent and go along to get along whatever,
like that's fine with me transphobia. Comes from a lack of understanding and I think it
is like it is important that we embrace not understanding what it is like to be trans.
Because you are not understanding what it is like to be black because you are not, and you can
hold that ambiguity, you don't know what it's like to feel like you were born with a different body,
that you were in the wrong body. What an incredibly difficult experience that must be.
How hard do I do I get it from my own body and stuff. No. But then other people don't know what
it's like to have a lot of gas when you eat night shades, like me. So here's the thing.
I love this and I think it's important and I think that
obviously more people need to stand up and say such basic truths.
>> Exactly, yeah, thank you for some of what you just said, there are not other parts. Yes,
yeah, and it's the two partner,
I can understand people being afraid initially of something they don't understand, but talk think,
ask questions if necessary. Talk to these people. Because the first part is where so many of the
right wingers stop, especially the bad faith media right wingers that do obviously objectively
do not understand many different people's life experiences effectively everything, but their own.
Their job is to assert that their way of life is the only thing that makes sense.
>> Yes. >> And they will
never ever expose himself to anything. Like you don't think Ben Shapiro has had the time
or the access to get to know a trans person. No, it is willful
walling off, it is willful ignorance that requires effort, a fight to maintain.
And of course it's for financial reasons or for politically pragmatic reasons.