who will be the next labor leader there
are five in the field with the latest
poll putting shadow brexit secretary
sakir stahma significantly ahead his
shadow business counterpart Rebecca long
bailey pin said the start of a 10-week
campaign and the contenders were all
smiles but this is a party / brexit by
the outgoing leader Jeremy Corbyn by the
legacy of Tony Blair can any of these
candidates somehow weave the party back
together though the government
I don't trust the last four years
because what Jeremy Corbyn brought to
this party he made us an anti-austerity
party that stood against cuts but if
sakir stahma plays the unity card
Rebecca long Bailey is the champion of
the left I've lived through the 40 years
of deindustrialization that we've seen
and that child from Old Trafford who
watched her family struggle is angry her
life was nearly shattered and now she's
here to shatter the Tory majority and we
do that through our movements we do that
through our communities and we do that
through ambition of our principles and
aspirational socialist governments
whoever wins will of course need the
charisma to mix it up with Boris Johnson
Emily Thornbury has been a feature of
Labour's front bench for nearly a decade
now I shadowed Boris Johnson for two
years when he was foreign secretary and
during those two years I was told to toe
with him and frankly he didn't like it
we need to be able to hold him to
account he is in the end a liar he is
callous he doesn't care he plays at
politics he plays with people's lives he
needs to be held to account
accountability comes in many forms
though and Jess Phillips said labour too
had questions to answer about
anti-semitism suggesting she had stepped
up while others hadn't the Labour Party
needs a leader who has spoken out
against anti-semitism and other forms of
harassment in fact when others were
keeping quiet and somebody who was in
the room struggling for an independent
system lots and lots of meetings I have
to say I don't remember some of the
people here being in that particular
room or being in those particular fights
and Lisa Nandi the remainer in a leave
seat who says she understands Labour's
challenge better the
most my lead votes in constituents and
no more racist little Englanders than my
friends who voted remain a liberal
elitist and we should never allow the
Tories to do that to divide us young
against old citizen against migrant
North against South town against City we
have got to raise our game a YouGov
survey of labour members suggests if the
ballots were concluded today star Murr
would win the first round on 46% long
Bayley second on 32% and after the final
round of counting with Phillips
Thornbury and nandi eliminated star Murr
would end up leader on 63% labour
members are also choosing their next
deputy but popular with the grassroots
doesn't necessarily mean popular with
the wider electorate and if Labour are
going to be reborn they need to persuade
voters in the D industrialised north who
went Tory to come back
there's no point a student leader who
makes that the tribe we already are feel
happy and good amongst ourselves we need
to increase size of our tribe we need to
understand that our people is everyone
it's not just the current members of the
Labour Party we got to persuade people
voted too conservative to vote Labour to
lend us their vote Labour have just
under five years to rebuild before the
next general election who will lead them
into battle
well earlier I spoke to a professor of
politics and polling experts are John
Curtis now we started off talking about
the voters labor had lost at the last
election particularly those northern
working class constituencies and I asked
him whether it was basically all about
brexit it isn't just brexit but it
certainly is I mean the movement since
2015 is a lot to do with brexit
essentially the conservative votes
become much much more of a leave vote I
mean back in 2015 the concerns only had
the support around 45% of those who went
went on to vote leave that figure is now
close to 75% labour conversely has lost
pretty much half of the 30% or so of the
leave out that we had in 2015 so brexit
undoubtedly is part of the story that
said the longer-term story is also to do
with new labor because there's quite a
lot of evidence out there now that the
Labour Party was losing working-class
votes in particular before 2050 not
necessarily to the Conservatives at that
point in many cases just simply staying
at home and isn't the public just sick
of breaks it now as it wanted to go away
after ultra happens well on the way and
yes there's a sense in which we are
undoubtedly fed up about the fact that
it's gone off so long though that
frankly is a view that's much more
common amongst leave voters to remain
voters I think another $64,000 question
to which we don't know the answer is the
extent to which those that sense of I'm
a remainer
I'm Oliva which is now really quite
widespread in the electric whether that
is going to dissipate once at least
we've sorted out a long-term relation to
the opinion or whether actually that
debate is going to continue I don't
think we can be sure it may be that
those identities remain with us and that
therefore brexit continues to be
something that shapes the way in which
people think about politics and the way
in which they may still be voting the
next direction but as Labour tries to
plan its return to power are you saying
that it's only way back is to recapture
those northern Brick City more
working-class voters that it lost or is
there another coalition of more southern
remain eree
voters who it could go for in well I
mean that I think is
the choice that the party potentially
faces in that we can't necessarily
assume that the party is going to be
able to find it particularly to recover
the working-class vote and we certainly
can't necessarily assume that trying to
focus on young people and graduates and
a more remain or a social liberal
message won't work for the party there
are potential downsides with both
strategies the difficulty with the going
for the young remain folk is there is
clearly potential competition from the
or Democrats who are also in so far
they've really what they did the robots
are not dead they got 14% of the vote
and their vote is very exclusively in
virtually remain vote it's very much in
remain areas in the South of England so
just the kind of place and and although
they can't win in that part of the world
they can take votes in that part of the
world to make difficult for Labour Party
to congregate amongst that group the
difficulty with the alternative strategy
of focusing on the votes that Labour
lost is that the votes of a lot of
people they party lost other votes of
older people who will not frankly
necessarily be in the electorate in 10
15 20 years time and there will be a
fundamental question facing the
Conservative Party is what does it do
when they leave a lecture that he's got
which is very heavily amongst older
people is no longer part of the
electorate there are also of course also
nude potential divisions the labour
market coming down the track
particularly as a result of artificial
intelligence now how does the Labour
Party respond to that again so again be
aware the agenda will move on the on
what climate change is clearly going to
be crucial possible changes to labor
markets should be crucial and therefore
thinking in terms of while the groups
we've lost in the past may not actually
be the important question the important
question may will be how do we position
this party given where it now is and it
is no longer a party that's particularly
strong amongst the working class how
given that fact should it position
itself on some of these new issues
they're coming down they're coming down
the track as well as perhaps the
continuing battle of our exit so what's
your professional advice to labour
members as they choose a leader question
I've met at least the question I would
suggest that labour members want to
think about
yes you will want somebody who reflects
your views but also think about that if
you're going to be views are going to be
reflected in government you need to look
for evidence about whether any of these
candidates can reach out to the wider
public and at the moment I don't think
there is sufficient evidence that any of
them necessarily win on that criterion
and that one of the crucial things the
next three months will be the polling on
would you be more or less likely to vote
for labour if it's Kirsten MERS leader
while we're back along video whatever
the answer to that question well we
don't know John Cleese's thank you very
much you're welcome