THEIR MAIN SOURCES, ACTRESS ASHLEY JUDD IN JUST A MOMENT.
FIRST, A LOOK BACK ON THE CASE.
>> HARVEY WEINSTEIN WAS A
HOLLYWOOD ICON, THE DEFINITION
OF A MOVIE MOGUL, AS WELL KNOWN
FOR HIS BOMBASTIC STYLE AS HE
HAVE FOR PRODUCING HIS
"SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE", "PULP
FICTION" BUT ON OCTOBER 5th,
2017, ALL THAT WOULD CHANGE.
A "NEW YORK TIMES" INVESTIGATION
UNCOVERED YEARS OF ALLEGED
SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND ASSAULT
ACCUSATIONS AIMED AT WEINSTEIN
BY FORMER EMPLOYEES AND ACTORS.
THE FIRST ACCOUNT IN THE ARTICLE
WAS FROM ASHLEY JUDD, MORE THAN
20 YEARS AGO, JUDD WAS A YOUNG
ACTOR.
ACTOR. >> I SHOULD SHOOT YOU IN THE
MIDDLE OF MAY DI--
>> SHE WAS ASKED TO MEET WITH
THE TITAN IN A HOTEL ROOM WHERE
HE APPEARED IN A BATHROBE.
JUDD WAS NOT ALONE.
OTHERS SHARED THEIR STORY OF
SEXUAL ADVANCES AND MISCONDUCT.
THE INVESTIGATION STATED THAT
WEINSTEIN HAD REACHED
SETTLEMENTS WITH AT LEAST 8
WOMEN INCLUDING ACTOR ROSE
McGOWAN.
McGOWAN. >> HE SHOULD GO TO JAIL FOREVER:
HE STOLE SO MANY LIVES.
>> SOON OTHER WOMEN SHARED THEIR
ALLEGATIONS FROM TERRIFIED
ASSISTANT AT WEINSTEIN’S
COMPANIES TO SUPER STARS LIKE
GWYNETH PALTROW.
GWYNETH PALTROW. MORE THAN 80 WOMEN HAVE COME
FORWARD.
FORWARD. SO SIMILAR FROM ONE ACCUSER TO
THE NEXT, THE REPORTERS WHO
BROKE OPEN THE STORY WOULD NAME
THIS THE PATTERN.
WEINSTEIN’S HALLMARK MOVES.
WEINSTEIN HAS PUBLICLY DENIED
ANY NONCONSENSUAL CONTACT WITH
THE ACTORS AND STAFF MEMBERS AND
HAS PLEADED NOT GUILTY TO SEXUAL
ASSAULT CHARGES IN NEW YORK.
HE IS SET TO GO TO TRIAL IN
JANUARY.
JANUARY. JOINING US NOW ARE JODI KANTOR,
AND MEGAN TWOHEY, AUTHORS OF
"SHE SAID KWETS", WE ARE JOINED
ASHLEY JUDD, THE FIRST HOLLYWOOD
STAR TO TALK ON RECORD TO THE
REPORTERS.
REPORTERS. WELCOME TO ALL OF YOU THIS
MORNING.
MORNING. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.
>> WE WERE JUST TALKING, IF YOU
LOOK AT ALL THE FACES BEHIND US,
IT PUTS INTO CONTEXT HOW BIG THE
STORY BECAME.
STORY BECAME. LET’S TAKE IT BACK ALL THE WAY
TO WHERE YO DECIDED TO WRITE
THIS BOOK.
THIS BOOK. YOU SAY YOU SET OUT TO TRY TO
FIGURE OUT HOW THIS DOWN FALL
HEAD TO A SOCIETAL SHIFT IN HOW
WE VIEW THIS MOVEMENT, IS THAT
RIGHT?
RIGHT? >> THAT’S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
WE REALIZED THAT OUR FIRST STORY
WAS JUST THE BEGINNING AND THAT
THERE WAS SO MUCH MORE THAT WE
HAD TO LEARN.
THIS WASN’T JUST A STORY ABOUT A
SINGLE INDIVIDUAL PREDATOR.
IT WAS A STORY ABOUT COMPLICITY.
I MEAN, THERE WERE INDIVIDUALS
IN HARVEY WEINSTEIN’S OWN
COMPANIES AND HIS BROTHER WHO
GLIMPSED WHAT WAS GOING ON.
SO WE REALLY WANTED TO PONDER
THE QUESTION OF LIKE WHEN PEOPLE
GET GLIMPSES OF WRONG DOING,
WHAT DO THEY DO ABOUT IT.
WE ALSO JUST WANTED TO LEARN SO
MUCH MORE ABOUT THE MACHINERY
THAT WAS BASICALLY IN PLACE TO
SILENCE PEOPLE LIKE ASHLEY JUDD
AND SO THIS WAS AN X-RAY NOT
JUST INTO AN INDIVIDUAL PREDATOR
BUT AN ENTIRE ABUSE OF POWER,
AND WE FELT LIKE IT WAS
IMPORTANT TO BRING READERS THAT
TRUTH.
TRUTH. >> JODI YOU WRITE AT ONE POINT
WHAT ASHLEY JUDD GOING ON THE
RECORD FOR YOUR REPORT.
WHAT DID THAT MEAN?
WHAT WAS ASHLEY JUDD’S DECISION
MEAN FOR YOUR REPORTING?
>> EARLY ON IN THE WEINSTEIN
INVESTIGATION, WE HAD A PROBLEM
BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE BEGINNING TO
CONFIDE IN US, AND THEY WERE
TELLING US VERY DISTURBING
STORIES.
STORIES. BUT EVERYBODY WAS SCARED TO GO
ON THE RECORD.
AND THE LOT OF THE INVESTIGATION
ENDED UP BEING DOCUMENTS AND THE
LEGAL AND FINANCIAL TRAIL OF THE
SETTLEMENT, AND HUMAN RESOURCES
RECORDS, BUT WE ONLY HAD ONE
WOMAN, LAURA MADDON, A FORMER
ASSISTANT ON THE RECORD AND WE
HAD A BIG PROBLEM, THERE WERE NO
ACTRESSES ON THE RECORD, AND WE
ALL KNOW WHAT AN ENORMOUS PART
OF THE STORY THAT REPRESENTS,
AND SO I WENT TO ASHLEY AND
ASHLEY, I ASKED YOU TO GO ON THE
RECORD, AND EVEN AS I SPOKE, I
WORRIED THAT THE ASK WAS ALL
WRONG BECAUSE ASHLEY LIKE
EVERYBODY ELSE HAD WANTED
COMPANY IN GOING ON THE RECORD.
EVERYBODY KNEW THAT POTENTIALLY
THERE WAS STRENGTH IN NUMBERS
BUT EVEN UP UNTIL THE VERY FINAL
DAYS OF THE INVESTIGATION BEFORE
WE PUBLISHED, THAT SILENCE THAT
HAD GOVERNED HOLLYWOOD FOR SO
LONG STILL HELD NO ACTRESS HAD
BEEN WILLING TO PUT HER NAME TO
IT, SO I CALLED ASHLEY AND I
MADE THE BEST CASE I COULD AND
SAID WE HAVE ALL OF THIS OTHER
EVIDENCE.
EVIDENCE. IT IS A REALLY SOLID STORY.
IT’S GOING TO BE REALLY POWERFUL
AND ASHLEY TOOK A DAY TO THINK
ABOUT IT, AND THEN YOU CALLED
ME.
ME. I STILL REMEMBER, I WAS WALKING
DOWN THE HALL OF THE "NEW YORK
TIMES," AND AS SOON AS I
ANSWERED THE PHONE, YOU SAID I
AM PREPARED TO BE A NAMED SOURCE
IN YOUR INVESTIGATION.
AND AT THAT MOMENT, ASHLEY ENDED
A SILENCE THAT HAD HELD IN
HOLLYWOOD FOR SO MANY YEARS.
>> WE’LL BRING YOU IN HERE,
ASHLEY, THE MORNING THE FIRST
REPORT HIT, WHERE WERE YOU?
I’M NERVOUS RIGHT NOW AND IT’S
ALREADY HAPPENED, THE WAY THEY
FRAMED THAT, WHAT WERE YOU DOING
WHEN THAT HIT?
>> I WAS DOING WHAT I DO BEST.
I WAS IN THE GREAT SMOKEY
MOUNTAIN NATIONAL PARK BY
MYSELF.
MYSELF. I WAS UP YONDER ON A MOUNTAIN.
>> WERE YOU NERVOUS?
WHAT WERE YOU FEELING IN THAT
MOMENT?
MOMENT? >> YOU KNOW, I’M GOOD WITH THE
GOD OF MY UNDERSTANDING AND I’VE
BEEN GOOD WITH HARVEY WEINSTEIN
FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE I KNOW
WHAT HE DID TO ME, AND I KNOW
WHAT HE DID TO A LOT OF MY
COLLEAGUES, AND I WAS UNAFRAID
OF HIM, AND I WAS VERY
COMFORTABLE WITH THE POWER OF
THESE TWO AND THEIR
INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING AND THE
POWER OF THE "NEW YORK TIMES,"
IT’S A VENERABLE INSTITUTION AND
THEIR LEGAL TEAM HAD VETTED
THEIR REPORTING AND I KNEW THAT
IT WAS ALL GOING TO BE OKAY.
IT WAS TIME.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THIS WONDERFUL
GATHERING THAT IS DOCUMENTED IN
THE BOOK WHERE JODI AND MEGAN
WERE ABLE TO BRING ALL OF US
WOMEN TOGETHER, AND THAT’S PART
OF HOW SEXUAL HARASSMENT WORKS,
PREDATORS SEPARATE AND ISOLATE
WOMEN FROM EACH OTHER, AND WE
THINK OUR NARRATIVES ARE UNIQUE
AND THAT WE ARE -- WE SUFFER AND
ARE SEPARATED.
ARE SEPARATED. IT BROUGHT ALL OF US TOGETHER,
INCLUDING SOME UNEXPECTED
ALLIES, LIKE DR. CHRISTINE BLA
SA
SA -- BLASEY FORD.
AND JENNIFER SAID I WAS CHEERING
FOR YOU, I KNEW YOU WERE GOING
TO BE THE ONE TO TELL THE STORY,
AND I’M SO GLAD I DID YOU KNOW,
AND I ALSO WENT OUT IN NATURE
WHEN I WAS CONSIDERING TELLING,
BEING THE NAMED SOURCE, AND I
THOUGHT I HAVE ALREADY MADE
TOUGH DECISIONS IN MY LIFE, AND
I LIKE TO DO THE HARDER THING,
AND THIS IS RELATIVELY EASY.
I’VE BEEN TELLING THE STORY,
ACTUALLY, FOR MANY YEARS.
NOW IT’S JUST TIME TO DO SO WITH
THE POWER OF THE "NEW YORK
TIMES" BEHIND ME.
>> AND GWENTH THANKED YOU FOR
GOING WHERE NO ACTRESS HAD GONE
BEFORE.
BEFORE. IT WAS ONE OF THE MORE MOVING
MOMENTS IN THE GROUP INTERVIEW
WE CONDUCTED.
WE CONDUCTED. >> WEAPON REACHED TO HARVEY
WEINSTEIN IN A STATEMENT THAT
READS IN PART, SHE SAID IS ALL
YOU NEED TO KNOW TO APPRECIATE
THIS BOOK CONTAINS ONE SIDE OF
THE ALLEGATIONS KWOUT ADEQUATELY
INVESTIGATING THE FACTS OF EACH
SITUATION.
SITUATION. THIS IS THE STATEMENT WE
RECEIVED ABOUT GWYNETH PALTROW
SPECIFICALLY.
SPECIFICALLY. GWYNETH PALTROW COMES FROM
HOLLYWOOD ROYALTY, HER FATHER
WAS A TOP PRODUCER, HER MOTHER A
FAMOUS ACTOR, HER GOD FATHER
STEVEN SPIELBERG, SHE DIDN’T
NEED TO MAKE MOVIES WITH HARVEY
WEINSTEIN, SHE WANTED TO AND WON
TOP AWARDS AND WAS THE TOP PAID
FEMALE ACTOR FOR A DECADE WITH
WEINSTEIN.
WEINSTEIN. HER NARRATIVE OF HER JOB BEING
AT STAKE IS JUST GRATUITOUS.
THAT STATEMENT COMING FROM
HARVEY WEINSTEIN.
HARVEY WEINSTEIN. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT
STATEMENT?
STATEMENT? >> INFURIATING.
>> INFURIATING. I’M GOING TO DO HER ANGER FOR
HER, THAT’S INFURIATING.
WHEN GWYNETH PALTROW WAS A YOUNG
ACTRESS, SHE HADN’T HAD THAT
MANY JOBS YET.
THIS IS THE WAY SHE TELLS THE
STORY, HARVEY WEINSTEIN SIGNED
HER UP TO DO TWO MOVIE, ONE WAS
EMMA, A BIG DEAL, A STAR MAKING
ROLE FOR HER.
BEFORE THOSE MOVIES WERE
ACTUALLY SHOT.
ACTUALLY SHOT. HE INVITED HER TO A HOTEL FOR A
MEETING.
MEETING. NOW SHE HAD A FAX FROM CAA, FROM
HER AGENCY SAYING THAT THIS WAS
A MEETING SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO
ATTEND.
ATTEND. SO IT TOTALLY SEEMED LIKE A
BUSINESS EVENT, AND AT THE END
OF THAT MEETING, SHE SAYS THAT
HE PLACED HANDS ON HER, AND
ASKED HER TO FINISH IN THE
BEDROOM.
BEDROOM. SHE WAS HORRIFIED.
SHE NEVER THOUGHT OF HIM IN THAT
CAPACITY AT ALL.
SHE WAS DATING BRAD PITT AT THE
TIME.
TIME. AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT
SHE TOLD BRAD PITT, HER
BOYFRIEND, SHE SAYS, AND BRAD
PITT CONFRONTED WEINSTEIN, A
STORY THAT PITT HAS CONFIRMED
AND AT THAT POINT, THAT IS WHEN
SHE SAYS WEINSTEIN THREATENED
HER, AND SAID SOME VERSION OF
YOU’RE GOING TO SCREW UP YOUR
WHOLE CAREER.
WHOLE CAREER. SHE FELT THAT THOSE ROLES WERE
ON THE LINE.
SHE SAID HE WAS VERY INTIMIDATED
AND HE ASKED HER TO KEEP IT
SILENT.
SILENT. >> PART OF THE PATTERN.
>> AND SO PART OF THE STRATEGIZE
WHEN HE HEARD THE STORY FOR THE
FIRST TIME IN LATE JUNE 2017, IT
WAS A REAL TURNING POINT IN THIS
INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION. BECAUSE WE SAID, WAIT A SECOND,
GWYNETH PALTROW WAS REALLY
HARVEY’S BIGGEST STAR AS THAT
STATEMENT SAID FOR A LONG TIME.
IF EVEN SHE HAS THAT KIND OF
STORY, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR
OTHER WOMEN, AND THEN THE OTHER
SIGNIFICANT THING IS THAT