Speaker: Okay, so once I knew I was doing this and it was Youth and Truth, I decided
to put up an interactive message so that I get representation from the youth as well
and get some questions to ask you.
A lot of them asked about athma, some about happiness.
And there was a overwhelming amount of messages coming, especially from Tamil Nadu, that were
asking about the issue of land grabbing near your ashram.
And I know that this question has been asked several times (Sadhguru laughs), and I think
you've even given an answer, but there is still a feeling that land grabbing has happened
and I don't know where this is…
I don't know the truth about any of this.
I'm completely ignorant.
I haven't read the actual accusation or…
(Overlapping conversation) Sadhguru: They did not to talk about the kidneys?
Speaker: Kidneys?
No.
Sadhguru: Kidney grabbing they didn’t talk?
Speaker: Kidney grabbing, no.
Sadhguru: They've been going on with kidney grabbing for some time because it didn't work,
now they've come to land grabbing in the last three years, (Overlapping conversation)…
Speaker: Oh, it’s been going on…
Sadhguru: Last twenty-five years some campaign is going.
Speaker: Okay.
Sadhguru: That I've killed hundred elephants.
Speaker: Okay.
Sadhguru: Era… erased out a full rain forest.
Nobody knows where the rain forest is.
And I killed hundred elephants with just my bare hands.
And I pull kidneys out.
You… you better check it out.
You might have lost one (Laughter) and this land grab.
I've said this openly, I shouldn't say it too often but because you're saying young
people from Tamil Nadu asking.
I’ll invite these young people, your fans ask them to make a group of whatever ten,
twenty people…
Speaker: Okay.
Sadhguru: Who are very smart.
Speaker: Okay.
Sadhguru: Let them come with all the maps and panchayat documents everything.
Anywhere, either private land, government land, forest land, one inch, not one acre,
one inch if Isha Foundation has grabbed one inch of land, this is the last you will see
of me.
I’ll leave the country.
All… is that good enough?
Speaker: So…
(Overlapping conversation) I'll…
Sadhguru: I am saying, No, I'm saying this is going on like this.
People said, they campaign… they made videos of how elephants are dying in the ashram,
okay?
All animated videos were made.
They said full forest was removed.
Then we put out the Google Maps.
The land was not in our hands in 2006, it was somebody else's land.
Later on, we bought it.
From 2006 onwards there are Google Maps.
We put out the Google Maps.
It shows its barren land.
Speaker: No vegetation?
Sadhguru: No.
And you see the Google Maps from 2006 to now, has vegetation gone up or gone down?
Well, before that, there were no Google Maps.
Check the panchayat records.
All the survey numbers that we own today, just check the panchayat records from 1994
since we own these lands, what were the crops before 1994?
Was that forest?
Was it even trees?
Or was it crops?
Dry crops?
Mostly.
Well check the panchayat record.
Don't go by what I say.
But without checking, young people if they're interested in truth or they're interested
in just slander.
You're done enough slander.
United Nations recognizes me as the ecological champion in the world.
Okay, we are part of their program.
We have the highest ecological award in the country – Indira Gandhi Pariyavaran Puraskar.
Wildlife Trust of India says that not an inch has been taken.
Forest department in Tamil Nadu says there is absolutely no encroachment.
Ministry of Environment and Forests says there is no encroachment anywhere, nor are we in
any way obstructing any wildlife, in fact, we’ve blocked all the hunters and others
and sandalwood cutters and everybody.
So we’ve made enemies of course, we made enemies from vested interests, and they're
going on for last twenty-five years.
Young people must be interested in truth.
I will open all the records.
Panchayat is there, forget about my records.
I'll open the gates of ashram for you to come and stay there for a week and investigate
everything.
Talk to all the agencies concerned.
If one inch is taken, only one inch, if it's taken I leave.
Is that good enough for young people?
Speaker: Have all these been put out the UN, UNESCO (Overlapping conversation)?
Sadhguru: Everything is there on the website.
Speaker: Okay.
Oh all the documents.
Sadhguru: Yes.
Everything is there.
This just goes on, simply because it's a motivated media, anonymous media on the social media
thing.
They just go on saying the same things.
So if they are genuine, if these fans of yours are genuine, youth concerned about the ecology,
concerned about justice in Tamil Nadu, please let them come and investigate whichever way
they want.
I'll open the entire document segment, its all digitized our documents.We will open the
entire thing, you can look at it, then go and refer to it in the panchayat documents,
that is also reasonably digitized.
If there is an encroachment, please show me.
All agencies have found there’s no encroachment.
And above all, am I interested in a stupid piece of land that you have?
This is because certain people want access to the forest and we are sitting there as
a block because it's at the tri-junction.
Speaker: Tri-junction?
Sadhguru: Tri junction means three state borders are there.
There are certain activity going on.
It is those people who are carrying on this campaign endlessly and why, you know, ask
the police, ask the police, what all they've been doing, because they want access to the
jungle.
Speaker: Because it has resources.
Sadhguru: Ahh, no, they have their own other agendas.
Speaker: But if there is really interested bunch of kids who really want to know and
they can spread the word, I’ll get (Overlapping conversation)…
Sadhguru: I am telling you, right now I will keep you as the contact.
If there are ten, fifteen people, sensible people who have some knowledge about this,
want to come and examine, I'll do it.
But after that you and your fans must openly speak this is absolute rubbish.
Speaker: They will, these ten, fifteen and yeah, they will.
Sadhguru: Please do that no (Laughs).
(Overlapping conversation).
Speaker: If there are interested people… Sadhguru: It will save lot of time and energy
for me answering this idiotic stuff all the time.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I think we could have done…
If this wasn't an issue, we could have done one other question.
Sadhguru: Yes.
Speaker: Instead of this.
Sadhguru: Life is going waste because it's going on like this the same thing.
The…
Why I'm speaking like this is because young people who are with me, these are not people
who come for money, these are volunteers.
They came in their twenties, and they worked hard to build this entire thing.
You must come and see what we have built.
In the world it's one of the unique places that we have built on the planet.
People are coming from across the world today and is appreciated everywhere in the country.
It is on the Incredible India campaign.
But these people are unhappy.
I will tell you to what extent they're prejudiced.
A group of government officials come for inspection, all right, including the collector.
So one official says they have built a factory shed without permission.
Speaker: Isha?
Sadhguru: Yes, Isha has built.
So we asked, “Where is the factory shed, we've not built anything?”
He points at Adiyogi statue and says this is a factory shed.
The collector asked, “What is this?
You're calling Adiyogi as factory shed?”
He says, I am, as far as I'm concerned.
It's a factory shed because inside it has steel structure, outside it has sheet metal.
It's a factory shed.
You've seen the Adiyogi statue?
Speaker: I’ve seen.
Sadhguru: The images?
Speaker: Yeah.
Sadhguru: Looking at the Adiyogi statue if you're calling it a factory shed, just tell
me who is this man?
We have permission for a monument.
We’ve build a monument.
But that guy wants to categorize Adiyogi statue as a factory shed and put some case on us.
Tell me who you must think through this politic… politically, who is calling Adiyogi as a factory
shed?
So this is what young people are being influenced by.
Please come and examine if you want.
Whatever you want, all right.
Speaker: Done.
Sadhguru: And fifteen years ago how the mountain was, today how it is, how green it is.
Speaker: There are images.
Sadhguru: Please check it out, no.
Don't believe me.
The entire mountain has turned green.
Who did it?
You think all these idiots who are writing nonsense did it?
Millions of trees have gone up on the mountain, who did it please check it out.
People ask where is the proof you planted?
I'll go walk into the mountain and see all the trees are eighteen, twenty years old.
That doesn't happen in a forest, isn't it?
In a rain forest, if you find except bamboo, all the trees are eighteen, twenty years old,
somebody must have put it, isn't it?
You don't want to give me the credit leave it.
Somebody put it eighteen, twenty years ago after we came.
Maybe I didn't do it.
Shiva did it.
It's okay (Laughs).
It's fine.
We're not asking for credit.
We are happy it's green.
Speaker: But I hope that this issue clears out and everything (Overlapping conversation)…
Sadhguru: No, no, this issue will never clear out.
Speaker: At least for the non-motivated because I've seen that seeing this discussion, people
who are not motivated also tend to take sides as in this news influences us.
Sadhguru: I am saying no this issue will never clear because they will come up with new things
and new things all the time.
Otherwise they'll go on saying it because these are people, this is a Nazi mindset.
They believe that if they tell a lie hundred times it will become true.
Unfortunately, in this country they have learned that.
So if these youth, we are talking Youth and Truth, if they're interested in truth, let
them take a week off, come and examine every document, every survey stone around the boundary.
If one inch is there, I will leave.
You will never see me again.
(Overlapping conversation)
Speaker: Can they bring cameras?
Sadhguru: Ahh?
You can bring cameras please.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: You can bring cameras; I will set up a team to take you around which is all
our property.
If we have occupied any forest land as you're claiming, you will not see me again.
Is that good enough?
Speaker: Then I let them know.
Sadhguru: (Laughs) Thank you.
Speaker: Thank you so much Sadhguru (Applause).
Sadhguru: Please take care, there is something that you need to handle right now.