you got into a conversation with someone
well you offer someone some money Oh
obviously you know what I'm talking
about yeah I've heard this river Johanna
yeah how does it more than one person
know about it because where we live show
me look
let me guess Jason Watts all tell me but
why why is it what why is it that I have
to open something up for you say oh and
I'm gonna sit up here and I'm asking you
I'm asking you a question
very specific questions that I'm asking
you okay if there's anything else that I
need to know you to tell me I think
that'll be one that I come up hey
somebody just said a rumor
well this [ __ ] rumors going on or
this is going on or that's happening you
got to walk yourself into some [ __ ] that
you can't get out of I'm telling you
right now this is your opportunity and I
only knock once okay well while I'm
telling you is me and her got into it
and I asked to leave well after that
there were rumors from Jamie Jason that
I was supposedly trying to pay someone
to get rid of her this and that I'm not
gonna stoop to that kind of level of her
man I'm sorry it's not worth it I have
three kids I've raised by myself this is
another one I can raise by myself I
wouldn't do that yes they did they took
a lot of it seriously even though
everything was hearsay there was no
physical anything to back up anything
anybody was saying there was no evidence
to back up anything it was all hearsay
and it was held against me I'm gonna
tell you the truth I've had a feeling
the whole time since that girl came up
missing that I had a feeling that Amir
you had something to do with it the
picture we're getting of Amelia at this
point is that she does not want Heather
around she wants to eliminate Heather
from this triangular relationship when
josh is in jail for pointing the shotgun
at Heather in the early part of 2009
during that time while he was in jail
she started living with Jamie a coma
well I mean I've known Jamie since I was
15 we were child together and I actually
met Heather and Josh knew him we had
learned about this crazy relationship
between all four of them they were in
relationships together and kind of swap
relationships and ended up with each
other's partner we were glad to give you
everything I know this is what we're
here to go back home that's all I can
that's all I can do you go there yes sir
I have no problem with that when we
interviewed Jamie at one point he had
told us there was an incident that
occurred between Heather and Amelia
Amelia had Heather's hair wrapped around
her hand like this and had a knife to
her throat well I told her don't do that
whatever you doing you're tripping out
he overreacted so they both calmed down
she told me to get him in and get her to
hell our house Jamie Aikens description
of a meal you're grabbing Heather's hair
and wrapping her hair in her hand and
pulling her head back and putting a
knife to her throat and threatening to
cut her throat that was really important
evidence because she was pregnant you
know seven months pregnant at the time
so it let the jury see that even though
Emilia Carr was a pregnant female that
she still had the personality and the
inclination to be violent with Heather
there was a lie that was told by Jamie
regarding a supposed incident between me
and Heather and that is what made them
that is what really gave them motive he
tried to say that I held a knife to her
neck which if that were true in any form
Heather would have called the cops
because she does not um no she would
have tolerated that and especially with
her children there heather was
frightened over because you know I may
seem like a likable person but when when
it when she snapped she'll do things
like pull a knife on you and that's when
we really started seeing the other side
of a million yeah
Jason Locke Shaw I didn't feel was very
credible um
and partially because of the fact that
he was facing charges he had his own
motivation for fabrication for
exaggeration for isolating Amelia and
from any other conversation that went on
and I believe in me is the one that
orchestrated the whole thing
she she's very smart and like I said
very vindictive she uh I feel like she's
the one that made everything happen cuz
Josh still loved he still loved Heather
you know he that's his baby's mother he
got two children by her you know I feel
like a million put it planted that seed
and let him grow a while back and Josh's
head um I'll tell you right now Amelia
is trying to make herself out to be an
angel
ya know maybe is trying to make herself
out to be the scared of Josh scared of
what he might do to her after what he
did to Heather I don't know what he
could have done to me I saw what he did
to Heather I was so scared that's why I
didn't call that's why I'm singing that
song well he was capable of you have to
understand I have three little children
another one on the way I was okay with
[ __ ] but guess what a lot of what she's
telling us is the truth do I think she's
telling it all no I don't think she told
do I think that she is probably evil
probably do I think that she probably is
involved a lot more she says she is
yeah but she's making herself out to be
the angel oh yeah okay she's banded at a
home on you all right that happened
guess where you spent the night last
night yeah okay guess where she spent
nine thousand I had one over all right
figure that out there's a lot of shows
telling us part of the truth you've got
the other part that you're trying to
just hide because you know you're
involved
the investigators came the Department of
Children families came and they took her
children and that crushed Amelia she had
to do whatever she needed to at that
point to get her children back I
received a call at my office from her
and she was upset and she was frantic
and she was basically wanting me to help
her and keeping her kids I was I was mad
I was hurt at the fact that my kids were
suffering because of all this mess cuz
my kids were taken into foster care that
very next day the second day of
interrogations Amelia I started crying
but she didn't want the kids to to see
her so she tried to be strong so the
kids didn't think that anything was
wrong
not really I've never seen Amelia cry
she barely cries you know your maternal
instincts kick in and you know take over
you don't think with a logical mind you
think how do I get my babies home how do
I get them away from strangers they're
separated they're going through it that
was my priority the very next day she
called again and this time I had the
opportunity to record the phone call
what I'm telling you is I know things
that only the the coroner where does the
all talk I know things detective Spivey
that happened but I'm just saying I
cannot then say anything without
immunity because I'm telling you what I
know I'll go down with him not for
murder cuz I didn't kill the girl can
you what more can you offer that's gonna
definitely send him away to prison
nothing I can give you without immunity
all right are you willing to talk to me
back in the hypothetical terms again
because that's what I'm gonna need um
are we off the record we're off the
record okay hypothetically maybe I know
a little bit more about what happened
while he was doctor but hypothetically
I'm not gonna say
without immunity I'm just scared to take
that step without that little piece
paper so I know I'm not gonna fall on my
face and lose my kids for the rest of my
life maybe what could hypothetically be
said was maybe I can be the state
attorneys best eye witness to to what
happened
hypothetically okay so if possibly if
Amina was given there's possibly a
witness out there who actually watched
her die
possibly I had suspicioned all along
that she might know more or was involved
more than she was saying and this sort
of confirmed those suspicions this case
was too fresh and it was still too new
to even consider giving someone immunity
when they might be the killer
and while amelia is making these calls
back and forth josh is making requests
to speak to Detective Booey
me and Josh had a connection
me and Josh spoke for several hours a
couple of days we continued to speak I
remember Josh telling me at one point
that he couldn't rest because he kept
seeing Heather's face and he needed to
get this off his chest I wanted to know
what happened I think josh wants to tell
me what happened
you