- I think before we talk about scaling a business,
the first question that any entrepreneur
should ask themselves,
is why do they want to scale?
'Cause sometimes they think,
"If I wanna make more money, I need to scale,"
Or may or may not be the case.
'Cause I do know companies,
they make tens of millions of dollars.
A friend of mine, who has a company,
that makes over $50 million a year,
yet their net is less than like 100K a year.
So, bigger is not always better, better is better.
So, the point of scale, of course, is to make more profit,
but not every business is meant to scale.
And it depends on the entrepreneur's goal, to see his goal.
Sometimes, as an entrepreneur, maybe your goal
is just to have a lifestyle business.
Have a laptop lifestyle.
Hey you know what, I just want to make
a couple hundred K a year,
I wanna be able to travel,
I want to be a lifestyle entrepreneur,
then, don't scale if that's all you want,
So, if it is what you want,
then you need to consider,
I'm scaling for what purpose?
Why am I doing it?
If you just do it for the sake of, I wanna make more money,
I don't think that's a good enough reason to scale.
If you want to scale because, you know what,
I need to have more capital
so I can have better infrastructure.
I can reach more people, I could serve more people.
Or, I need to scale,
in order to invest in better technology.
So, to turn whatever I do, take it to the next step,
I think those are all good reasons to scale.
But, just scaling for the sake of scaling,
I think that's a wrong focus, that's a mistake.
So in order to scale,
I think the first thing they need to look for,
is there needs to be margin in order to scale.
So the example I gave, if the business is making 50 million,
that's a lot of money,
and making a hundred K net, a year,
so, if you double that to 100 million, great!
Now they're making 200 K a year.
That is not so good.
And, in order to get to the next level,
how many more employees they need to hire?
Maybe, they need a new office,
they need more equipment, or whatever it is.
So, the margin has to be there in order to scale.
Now, if, let's say, you are selling a $20 product,
'cause most businesses they only have,
they're what I call one-product pony,
they've only got one product.
Let's say, pretend you have a product
you're selling it for $30, okay?
And your cost is, let's say, five bucks.
You're making $25 profit per unit.
Well, to scale, let's say, pretend, an online business,
or some kind of product you sell through eCommerce,
the most that you could invest to acquire a customer is $25,
because that's your profit margin.
So, if you think about each sale that you make,
you can spend no more than $25 to acquire a customer,
because $5 is your cost.
Then, you could only go to so many channels
or utilize so many ways to acquire that particular customer.
Versus, on the other hand, and especially
if you've only got one product,
meaning they buy it once
and they don't have to buy again.
That means you have to constantly market
and get new people all the time.
Now, let's take a look at a different scenario.
Let's say you've got not one product,
but you've got a product line,
or you've got what I call different back end products,
that you sell to the same customer.
And let's say, instead of selling low-ticket,
you're selling high-ticket.
And that's why I like high-ticket, right?
You're selling a $2,000 product
and then you sell them another $5,000 product,
and then sell them another $10,000 product or program.
So, in that case, let's say, on average, your annual value
of a customer is, instead of being $25 one time,
but it's $10,000.
So, you have a percentage
of the customers that will buy the $2,000 program,
they buy the $5,000 program, they buy $10,000 product,
hypothetically, let's say, that's the case.
Now, it's a very different game.
Instead of you can only spend $25 to acquire a customer,
now I can spend $500, $1,000, $2,000, $5,000,
depends on the lifetime value of the customer.
Maybe, if my lifetime value of a customer,
meaning they'll stay with me,
two, three, five, six, ten years, hypothetically,
that first year, I could spend up to, let's say,
even five, six, eight, $10,000.
That gives me an edge over someone who can only spend $25.
See, when it comes to marketing,
'cause most entrepreneurs, business owners,
when it comes to marketing they want to go on the cheap.
They want it, how can I spend the least amount of money
to acquire the customer.
That kind of thinking, that kind of mentality,
you will never be able to scale.
In order to scale, the question to ask is not,
how can I spend the least.
The question to ask,
is how can I outspend everybody else?
How can I outspend my competitors?
If my competitors can only spend $200 to acquire a customer,
and I can spend $2,000, I could go to so many more channels,
I could do so many more things,
I can test so many different traffic sources
in order to scale.
That gives me way more options
and that's how we can scale fast.
I can use this channel, I can use this channel,
I can use this platform, I can do offline.
When my competitor can not afford to go offline,
do any kind offline marketing, I could,
'cause the lifetime value of my customer, is high.
Assuming that you've got your offers,
you've got your product line and assuming,
let's say, you're selling high-ticket.
And, you've got your marketing down
and you've got your traffic sources.
Maybe you're running ads on Facebook,
maybe you're running ads on Instagram,
maybe you are running ad on Google.
Whatever how many different ways
you're bringing in the leads,
what happens is, let's say you're bringing a lot of leads,
you're next bottle neck would be closers.
Where do you find enough closers to be on the phone?
Because when it comes to high-ticket,
anything that costs, let's say,
more than two, three, four, five thousand dollars,
it's very difficult to sell that
just on a webpage or through a video.
You need someone to get on the phone one-on-one,
and close the particular prospect.
In order to do that, you need people.
So, where do you find those closers?
So, in my case, within what we do at our organization,
is we have now probably close to 100 closers,
closing our own program and product.
That's how we are able to scale quick.
Because we have the power.
The people, the closers, to be able to close people
on the phone and ticket much, much, faster,
and much, much, further.
And, most entrepreneurs, it's when they do the marketing
and they're scaling the marketing,
then they're like, oh, my God, shit, I need some closers!
And they try to bring on one person,
and it doesn't quite work.
And then, try to bring another person,
they're not a salespeople, it doesn't quite work.
They might try to run an ad, and it doesn't quite work.
And then, they finally find someone that works,
but then, that person, you filled his
or her appointment books so fast,
and now, they gotta now spend other months
to find another person to scale.
Versus, already have access to so many closers.
So, you need closers before you even scale,
so that when you are in the position
to ramp up your marketing, you are good to go.
Versus, you try to ramp up your marketing,
you got to slow it down,
because you don't have enough people
to handle the leads.
And every single time you do that delay,
that time, that's what's preventing you
from scaling to the next level.
So, let's say, you have a Facebook ad that's working,
that's great.
A webinar that's working, that's producing leads.
But, because you don't have enough people
to follow up on those leads,
you have to lower the budget,
or you have to pause the ad.
That's the worst, right,
when you've got something that's working.
And then now, you gotta go find a person.
It's like you have so many leads coming in,
you can't handle their business.
So, you got to look at two aspects, one is the lead flow,
the second is your fulfillment.
So in order to scale, if the fulfillment aspect,
where if you are selling something
that takes a long time to make,
then it's gonna be, let's say, a sofa or something, right?
It's gonna be difficult to scale,
because, let's say, if it's handmade,
whatever, it's just difficult.
Versus, if you're selling a software.
Doesn't matter if I sell one,
doesn't matter if I sell 500,
doesn't matter if I sell 50,000,
I can scale just like that.
Yes, I need more customer support,
I need more infrastructure, correct,
but the product itself, it's basically infinite.
That aspect of fulfillment it's easier to scale.
So if you look at it that way, lead flow, closers,
and then your fulfillment.
Assuming you've got the fulfillment done and that's okay,
and you can serve a lot of people doing the same thing,
then it's just in terms of traffic source,
and then in terms of closers.
So, you wanna find closers when you don't need closers.
You don't need to find closers
when you need closers like yesterday, that's not good.
And the biggest problem is this,
you are not going to find the salespeople that you want,
the traditional way, because I've tried it.
If you want to find salespeople,
maybe you go to any of these sites,
any of these, Craigslist or whatever,
you're running an ad, hey I'm looking for salespeople.
The problem is, any good salespeople
that are looking for a job, they're not good salespeople.
If they're good salespeople,
they won't be looking for a job.
'Cause any good salespeople,
they're already making good money
and they're making good commissions,
they're not looking for jobs, that's number one.
Number two, if you hire a salesperson,
very often, and I tried this before myself,
that I pay them some kind of a base,
and then I'll pay them some kind of bonus,
they can't close.
Because any good salespeople, is like a hunter,
you eat what you kill.
Yet, if you give them a base, you give them all of that,
they are not hungry.
And most salespeople they want the safe.
Although they're are supposed to be salespeople,
they are supposed to be hunters,
but they want the security and they can't close.
They become a typical,
like a salaried person within a company
and then they are not motivated to bring in sales.
So, I believe a good closer needs to be commission based.
The more they close, the more sales they make,
the more money they make, that's how it should be.
The sky's the limit.
They can make as much money as they want.
If they are able to sell higher price point,
high-ticket, awesome.
So, you're not gonna find those salespeople
in the traditional way, you just won't.
And another thing is, if, let's say,
you do find that superstar,
which has also happened to me.
You do find that superstar,
and that salesperson is producing a lot of sales.
That salesperson becomes your rainmaker.
Let's say your, whatever,
you are doing a million a year
and that salesperson brings in 400K
worth of revenue for the company.
Well, what happens is, the salesperson would then,
either become greedy and say I want more,
or they would jump ship.
And then, they would go work for someone,
your competitor maybe,
that would pay them a higher commission rate,
and that happens too.
So, you always want to have more than one closer,
even though you might just need one to scale.
But, you kind of want to have multiple,
so that if one leaves, you're okay, you're fine.
We have 100 closers working with us.
It doesn't really matter if one doesn't work,
we have 99 to replace that particular person.
There are so many sales trainers out there,
and there are so many experts teaching sales,
and most of them are very, very good.
I just happen to specialize in one area of sales,
Which is high-ticket closing, high-ticket sales.
If you want to learn cold calling,
I'm not the guy to learn from.
There are plenty of people who are better
at cold calling than I do.
I teach a little bit of cold calling to my students
but that's not what I specialize in.
I specialty in selling premium products and services
to players with money.
So, that's what I do.
And when it comes to my methodology,
so it works very well in my area, that's what I do.
And when you find closers, how do you know they are good?
Truth is you won't know until you give them an opportunity.
However, if you know that they have gone through
some type of training,
or you can role play with them and see,
hey you know what, role play with me.
I have this kind of product, sell to me.
Sell me my program.
I wanna see how you talk to my prospect.
Give them different objections
and see how they handle those objections,
how they ask questions.
Do they sound like a typical salesperson?
'Cause one of the things you have to consider
is it's not just that they're closing sales
and makings sales for you, that's one thing.
However, another thing you must pay very close attention,
is for those sales that they don't make.
Are they pissing off the customers?
Are they ruining your reputation?
You don't want your best customer,
especially if they're selling high-ticket,
get off the phone with one of your closers
and they feel like, "Oh my God,
"I can't believe I just talked
"to this slimy salesperson.
"Try to twist my arm, force me to buy this and that."
Suddenly, now the salesperson is ruining your reputation
and relationship with your customers without you knowing it.
So, whoever the closer that's closing for you,
you need to have that talk with them.
Okay, what is your philosophy, are you about?
You know what, I want you to get as much money as you could.
Close as many people as you could, I don't care,
that kind of "Wolf of Wall Street" kind of angle, right?
Just get the money!
Or, are you the kind of CEO entrepreneur
and say hey,
I want you to offer my service,
my solution to the customer,
If only it's a good fit.
If it's not a good fit, it's okay.
You don't need to force them.
I don't want them to get off the phone feeling
that they need a shower.
I don't want them to get off the phone
and never wanna hear from us again.
Now you just, you burned that relationship.
So, what is your personal philosophy?
That is very key.
So, in terms of what I do
when people call me
the king of high-ticket sales.
Not necessarily because I'm the greatest closer
that ever walk on this planet earth, no.
More it's a king without the kingdom.
And what's a kingdom without people?
So I'm called the king of high-ticket sales,
not because just my skill,
it's because I have access to high-ticket closers.
More access than anyone else in the world.
And more influence to high-ticket closers,
than anyone else in the world.
That's what makes the kingdom
that's what makes the king.
That's the difference.
If you have got a funnel,
you've got a quality product and service,
and that's high-ticket and if you're looking for closers,
I have access to closers.
So, you can book a time with one of my leaders
who manages all my closers,
to see if it's a good fit.
And, to see if I have closers that
would understand your offer,
maybe have a little bit of experience
in terms of closing in your industry,
I'm more than happy to make that recommendation.
There's no charge, 'cause that's how I work,
that's how my closers work.
They don't get paid until they close a sale.
So, I'm more than happy to make that introduction.
And that's what we do because
I believe when you're working with a client,
when you're working with a company, a CEO, an influencer,
the relationship should be,
the more successful that you are, the more successful
that the closers are.
That's what I wanna do, I wanna provide opportunities.
Earning opportunities, good potential programs
for my closers to close.
That's what we do.
That's what drives me.
So, if you've got something like that,
I'm more than happy to set up the time
to talk to one of my leaders
and see how we can help.
Another skill, you think of a triangle.
You need three things, three things only.
You need a scalable offer, which is an offer you can deliver
to massive amounts of people without more infrastructure.
A scalable offer, maybe it's a software,
maybe it's a digital product.
It's something that, it doesn't matter
if you sell to one person or 10,000 people,
your work is essentially the same, in the scalable offer.
And then, you need a consistent lead flow.
I don't care how you get it,
it could be through social media,
it could be Facebook,
Youtube, Instagram, however you want to do it.
Pay-per-click or even infomercial, it doesn't matter.
But, consistent lead flow,
and then you need closers that can close.
You have those three things, you can scale.
You need all those three things,
but you need to have the offer dialed in,
you need to have your traffic source,
your lead flow dialed in.
Then, every single time you add a new closer,
it adds another 100, 200, 300, 400, thousand dollars
to your revenue.
You just keep adding that.
And you take a lot of profit,
re-invest back to that lead source,
so you scale and so you get more leads.
And then, you hire more closers, you get more leads,
you hire more closers.
Before you know it,
you've got a pretty decent size business.