PUT IT OUT.
WE DO NOT KNOW THE CAUSE.
FIREFIGHTERS BELIEVE IT STARTED
OUTSIDE THE HOME.
DONALD TRUMP IS NOT TAKING
DOWN -- BACKING DOWN AFTER
COMMENTS ABOUT THE MUSLIM
GROUP.
A TERRORIST GROUP USED A
STATEMENT MADE BY THE
REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE CALLING
FOR A BAN ON MUSLIMS IN THE
U.S. DONALD TRUMP MADE THIS
COMMENT
AFTER THE SHOOTINGS IN SAN
BERNARDINO.
'S.
DOES IT CONCERN YOU AT ALL
THAT YOU ARE BEING USED --
BUT
-- IN A RECRUITMENT VIDEO.
THEY USE OTHER PEOPLE TOO.
WHAT WILL I DO?
I HAVE TO SAY WHAT I HAVE TO
SAY.
THERE IS A PROBLEM.
WE HAVE TO FIND OUT THE PROBLEM
AND SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
DO THINK THE PROBLEM IS
THAT THE WEST IS ON A COLLISION
COURSE WITH RADICAL ISLAM?
OR IS THIS JUST ISIS -- AS
THE
PROBLEM?
I THINK THAT RADICAL ISLAM
MAY BE ON A COLLISION COURSE
WITH US.
HOW CAN YOU NOT AT LEAST TALK
ABOUT THE PROBLEM?
ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE DONE
IS
BROUGHT THE PROBLEM UP.
THE WORLD IS TALKING ABOUT WHAT
I SAID.
NO BIG PARTS OF THE WORLD ARE
SAYING, DONALD TRUMP IS REALLY
RIGHT -- AT LEAST IDENTIFYING
WHAT IS GOING ON.
THIS VIDEO ALSO HIGHLIGHTS
A LOCAL MAN NICKNAMED THE
MINNESOTA MARTYR, AFTER DYING
OVERSEAS.
IT ALSO CALLS FOR BLACK
AMERICANS TO JOIN THE CAUSE.
HERE WITH US IS A FORMER CIA
OFFICER.
THANK YOU FOR COMING IN.
OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF GROUND TO
COVER.
I WANT TO START WITH THE TONE
OF
THIS VIDEO.
IN THE PAST, WHEN WE HAVE SEEN
THESE AT RECRUITMENT VIDEOS, A
REALLY GLORIFY US THIS.
.
THIS WAS VERY SPECIFIC.
IT WAS VERY TARGETED.
IT WAS INTENDED TO GRAB A VERY
SPECIFIC AUDIENCE.
IT DOES IT QUITE ACCURATELY.
AND THE SENSE OF -- WHERE
THEY
ARE TRYING TO GO.
THIS IS MUCH DIFFERENT.
WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST
-- IS THAT THIS IS FOR ALAH.
IT IS SAYING, FOR THOSE OF YOU
WHO FEEL EXCLUDED OR
DISENFRANCHISED, COME TO US.
WE UNDERSTAND.
LOOKING AT A MUCH LARGER
GROUP -- IN THE PAST, IT HAS
BEEN VERY SPECIFIC.
THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF
RECRUITMENTS OF AMERICANS IN
MINNESOTA.
THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT ANYONE
AND EVERYONE.
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
IF WE LOOK AT THE PAST, THEY
HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN ALMOST
RECRUITING TWO DOZEN YOUNG MEN,
ALL FROM SOMALIA.
WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT
SOMALI AMERICANS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MUSLIMS AND
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE
AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY FOR
THOSE WHO FEEL DISENFRANCHISED.
THIS IS WHO THEY ARE TARGETING.
IT IS PETRIFYING IF THEY ARE
SUCCESSFUL.
BECAUSE THE VAST NUMBERS OF
PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT THERE.
USING ISSUES LIKE FERGUSON
AND OTHER SHOOTINGS INVOLVING
POLICE OFFICERS.
I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT A GOOD
PORTION OF THE VIDEO THAT SHOWS
THIS GROUP -- THE MINNESOTA
MARTYR'S -- MEN WHO LEFT
MINNESOTA TO JOIN THE RANKS.
WHAT KIND OF IMPACT DOES THIS
HAVE SEEING THESE MEN -- NOT
ONLY HERE IN MINNESOTA FOR THE
RECRUITING TOOL BUT NATIONALLY?
IF WE THINK ABOUT A TWO
WASTE -- WE HAVE TO THINK
ABOUT THE SUCCESS OF AL-SHABAB
IN TERMS OF FINDING THOSE YOUNG
MEN HERE -- GENERALLY FIRST
AND SECOND-GENERATION YOUNG
MEN.
THEN WE DOVETAIL THAT WITH WHAT
WE SAW IN SAN BERNARDINO WHERE
ISIS WAS ESSENTIALLY MOTIVATING
PEOPLE TO ACT OUT.
IF YOU DOVETAIL THOSE TWO
TOGETHER, WHAT YOU REALIZE IS
-- WHAT POTENTIALLY COULD
HAPPEN -- IS YOU ARE NOT JUST
RECRUITING PEOPLE TO GO AND
FIGHT IN THE HOMELAND --
WHETHER THAT IS SERIAL OR
SOMEWHERE ELSE -- IT IS ABOUT
TURNING THEM AROUND AND HAVING
A
FIGHT WITHIN THE UNITED STATES
-- THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE
FEAR OF THE INTELLIGENCE
COMMUNITY.
I THINK THIS RAMPS IT UP A BIT
MORE.
DO YOU FEEL IT IS VERY
EFFECTIVE?
IT HAS BEEN.
WHAT YOU DO NOW IS -- YOU
DON'T HAVE TO TWIST ANYBODY'S
WORDS.
WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT DONALD
TRUMP
HAS SAID.
FRANK LEE, WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT
THE ENTIRE -- AT LEAST PART
OF
WHAT WE HAVE SEEN FROM THE GOP.
AND FROM A DOZEN GOVERNORS
ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHO SAID, I
DON'T WANT A SYRIAN IN MY STATE
-- YOU CAN USE THOSE WORDS AND
SAY, WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON
--
THE AMERICANS DON'T JUST HATE
MUSLIMS.
THEY HATE YOU.
THAT IS WHAT IS IMPORT.
IT IS RESONATING WITH THEM.
THAT IS MY QUESTION.
IT LEADS ME TO MY NEXT
QUESTION.
THIS IS PART OF THE DAILY TO
POLITICAL LANDSCAPE.
WE'RE HEARING THESE CANDIDATES
SAY THESE THINGS AND HEARING
THE
COMMENTS THAT FOLLOW.
HOW WAS THAT NOT WHITE NOISE AT
THIS POINT?
WHEN THEY HAVE SEEN THIS AND
HER
THIS BEFORE.
IT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
THE REASON IS -- I THINK,
BECAUSE THIS BECAME THE
NATIONAL
CONVERSATION IN THE UNITED
STATES.
WHEN WE SAW WHAT WAS SAID BY
PEOPLE RUNNING FOR OFFICE OR AN
OFFICE -- WHAT HAPPENS NOW,
ITS PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD ARE
PICKING THAT UP AND SAYING,
WHAT
DOES THIS MEAN?
IF I'M ON THE OUTSIDE -- WHAT
DO YOU WANT TO DO IS SEPARATE
THE GROUP THAT YOU CAN AND SAY,
YOU'RE NOT WITH THOSE GUYS.
YOU ARE WITH US GUYS.
ESSENTIALLY, THAT IS THE
ARGUMENT.
THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO
DO IN THIS VIDEO.
IT IS 15 MINUTES LONG.
THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
AND FRANKLY, I THINK THEY ARE
DOING IT QUITE SUCCESSFULLY.
YOU THINK THEY WILL DO MORE
OF THIS?
I WOULD HOPES -- EYE
WHICH I COULD SAY NO.
ISIS HAS DONE THIS IS
SHOCKINGLY
EFFECTIVELY.
AL-SHABAAB IS SIMPLY TAKING A
PAGE FROM ISIS.
THEY ARE USING IT TOO.
QUICKLY.
WITH THIS VIDEO -- IS THERE
MORE HAPPENING TO RECRUIT THESE
PEOPLE?
WITHOUT QUESTION THERE IS.
THAT IS THE PART ABOUT THIS
WHICH WE HAVE SEEN FROM ISIS.
THIS AFFECTED THIS IS NOT JUST
PUTTING OUT A VIDEO WHICH IS
WHAT AL-QAIDA DID.
THEY ARE USING SOCIAL MEDIA TO
REACH INTO THE BASEMENTS OF
KIDS
ACROSS THE COUNTRY SAYING, DO
YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE LEFT OUT?
DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE BEING
TARGETED?
DO YOU FEEL LIKE PEOPLE SEE YOU
AS LESS THAN?
WE SEE YOU AS MORE THAN.
DO YOU WANT TO HAVE A
CONVERSATION?
LET'S GO TO THIS CHAT ROOM AND
TALK ABOUT THAT.