The thing we were talking about in regards to the notion of death and how
strange it would be if you if you hold a theistic evolutionary position that
death was the mechanism that God was using to bring us up to some point where
we understand one of our great concerns before we made this film and one of the
reasons we made this film is we began to see that even our seminaries and some of
our prominent pastors were beginning to accept the current paradigm as
absolutely not true. And therefore as a reason they began to lose the notion of
an Adam and Eve. An Adam and Eve now are no longer an individual person or
persons that they are a hominid group. A hominid group that has now opened up
to a certain point. Biologos is starting to pronounce this. Different
people, not all would, but I mean you have a lot of pastors that are
influenced by this, thinking that the science requires it. And that's
always that question. What is science? Who is this authoritative science?
I think David Berlinski points out so I've never known science
to answer to anything is their name no one answers when I call the name science
out. This is all these people that are saying well science is science. It's what
everyone thinks. Well everyone doesn't think the same thing, they think all
sorts of things. So there's this weird sense of non scientists who are
influenced by Imperial science. Oh it's I feel it's a little like The Wizard of Oz. You
know he's kind of the scary guy that says, "you must believe this." Then when you
get behind him you start looking and you're like I think there's a man
controlling this and I think he's pretty fallible. So the the the issue here
though is the the presence of death that is has existed for millions and
millions of years before we arrive at this hominid group that God somehow in
the mythology of Genesis has declared to be Adam and Eve. Which we realize then
brings great problematic things associated with Paul in Romans chapter
5 where he's making the case for Christ as the second Adam. In the context he's
speaking of Christ as the second Adam because there was a first Adam.
Absolutely. Through whom one man came sin and then death came through that one man so
life comes through Christ. But the situation were faced with in that in
that paradigm is that we have a God even in their mythological perspective of
Genesis who is coming to Adam and Eve with a consequence of death if they
disobey God. Which would almost seem to be meaningless to either Adam and Eve or
the hominim group for God to say "if you rebel against me then there will be
death." When they look around they say there has been nothing but death for
millions of years. And I think as you said one time they may have even eaten
the tribe next door. It's a curious thing. So you
the old saying is they you know and even guys like CS Lewis fell into this
category saying that well maybe God came to some of this hominin group and he put
a soul in two of them. Well then I mean what could they eat their parents that
sounds kind of terrible but I mean their parents weren't humans so there would be
no sin there. Couldn't they have you know before that could he Adam have had slept
with who he wanted to? I mean there's all kinds of weird moral issues that you get
into when you start pushing the line on a view that BioLogos has or I would even say
some of the views of a progressive creationist. When you start
pushing it to its logical conclusions it falls apart in front of the text of the
history of what really happened. And I think that's why the origins debate
needs to be moved away in a sense from the some of the science not unimportant
but you've got to talk about the history and the events and why are those
important. And if you're a pastor you just said well I really don't believe in
Genesis was history. Well then you better have something for history. And so that
means you got to adopt all of these views of death. You've got to adopt
views of billions of years. You have to adopt it because unless you're gonna go
out and create some third structure, which really hasn't been done
yet in terms of timing and all these things, then I mean you're basically
forced into one of these two camps