hey Internet I have the dynamic duo of tech tubers Paul ain't Kyle right here
we are at Intel's event they've done quinine for X Z on X but the thing we
want to talk about here we don't have all the numbers but we understand there
is actually already the latest controversy the internet can get mad
about and that is some numbers that seem to show Andy performing lower than
expected right gasps from the audience - from the audience have of course our
numbers we are not done yet we haven't been able to test parts our reviews will
run later so we have not tested them but there is actually an independent
third-party analyst house principle technology they do web expert being
around business for a long time pretty good guys mostly mobile but they have
reports showing that the new core I $9.99 hundred K the top end eight core
hyperthyroid part with s Tim solder Tim is significantly faster than everything
out there including and this is going to get hackles raising the 2700 X they show
what's a good one it's fine depends on the test you're looking at
depends on the test and and we've really only just barely had a chance to start
looking over these numbers and it's hard to make comparisons with independent
tests you're not necessarily they did list all of their methodology and
everything here but so like exactly compare these two like test numbers that
we've done in the past it's kind of difficult to do so on first glance it
seems like a fairly legitimate layout as far as their their methodology they
tested 19 different games but when you look at some of the results it seems
like the AMD numbers might not exactly be where they should again we're dealing
with very preliminary analysis and the answers as you can tell from the table
we're all liquored up I've already spilled my martini on myself let me give
you a numbers oh poor i 999 hundred k 148 frames per second rounding up Rison
720 700 x1 26.2 that's probably I think probably realistic right you've got the
higher clocks you know entertain 17% difference this
is in war thunder tank battle war thunder tank battle our Thunder tank
quality I could see the clock speeds up we're talking sock clock 9 Andrew K
that's not crazy right that's not but this is the one that's going to get
people going in ashes of singularity which of course it's probably recognized
as the best example of DirectX 12 multi-threaded performance core I $9.99
100k 50 7.3 per second Rison 720 700 X 38.3 which is a 49.6%
Delta that's a big drop-off well that what we think which is which leads us
into the next point also is that this is being released to the public a full what
ten days before any of our reviews can actually go live and coincidentally
pre-orders are now available for this chip so a lot of interested buyers might
be looking at any benchmarks they can find and if that's the only source they
might just pull the trigger seeing what a huge gap there is between the latest
core i9 and and the 27 under X and we have no way to verify that we've you
know rich signed a contract and stuff our hands are kind of tied so Chi Li
understand you always buy it though you just yeah I of course I have integrity
he's got lots of money though I'm just loaded Internet me my things because of
Lyle Lyle has some shady businesses in the background Kyle mainly as a
beneficiary I got a laundering facility I'm sure the Triad monies we don't want
to get into that I don't want to get rubbed out we've already said to my boss
to hunger tonight so I mean but I mean um no matter what don't you think that
in general core I nines it's gonna be fast no reason to think it's not gonna
be fast I mean if you look at skylake versus KB
like run up at the same frequencies they're the same like single core
performance instructions four o'clock performance is exactly the same between
them at the same exact frequency I think that's my question right now is if you
take the 99 hundred K and maybe disable cores and do something to put it at
parity with like an 87 or two K or something like that is there an actual
uptick in performance just straight at the architecture level I doubt it
no but addition of salt Sutter Tim higher frequency you get some
it's there and that's shown to be a pretty big performance game when it
comes to gaming so it's gonna be the best gaming CPU out there and it's not
horribly priced if you're comparing it to like a $1200 r-tx 2080 ti or
something like that right I mean it's more expensive than CPUs were a little
while back but I don't know I'm sure there's good people be it in the
comments who are like their prayers price gouging us and all this kind of
stuff but I don't know it seems somewhat reasonable but maybe I'm just tempering
this based on the somewhat unreasonable other launches in the past year that
have been very expensive I mean that's part of it maybe that's part of the
strategy yeah it's like we'll just sell CPUs for 2,000 so when we sell one a
mainstream chip for 500 people don't freak out not the bed very common very
common marketing technique when we were looking at prices of 2,700 X's right now
which is currently the 300 or 400 bucks with the cooler with the cooler with the
blue to get a 1700 for like 190 I think today yeah for an alien for an
eight-core yeah 190 or 200 for an eight-core 1700 yeah it feels to me like
that's a challenge for Intel though right yeah cuz I I think it's gonna be I
think when everybody's done with their tests I think it will be the faster part
is it going to be $223 value faster as a question right that's for gamers
especially exactly that's what I was saying is like it sort of depends on the
perspective you're looking at it from like when I first saw that price 480
something for the 9900 K I was like that's not too bad because I was
thinking about it from a creator standpoint where I was like I would use
it for editing in the extra course I can leverage all this horsepower but the
average gamer who you know even if you're streaming stuff like that's
that's a that's a big price to pay for you know I don't know
no joke now I think I think the the elephant in the room that Intel really
doesn't want us to talk about is right now aim these shipping CPUs in bulk
based on a 12 nanometer process aim these actually shipping CPUs that are on
a more refined manufacturing process than Intel is right now when was the
last time that happened has that ever happened
no it is for some in competing issue that I can think of so right are they 12
right that there were 16 or 14 15 14 14 they went from 14 to 12 when it was n+
okay right right oh you're right god there's been too many launches this year
it right as well it's the beer and I'm I'm right there with you I I you know
that that is a point AMD made at coffee at CES confidence that's what they said
it's like in the old days Intel would we catch up to Intel they were run away in
process because their bells been better at processing everybody and for the
first time in Intel's history it's really hard to get smaller and Andy's
confident like yeah you know what we're not gonna they're not gonna get away
from this this time but I don't know what do you I mean they're definitely
catching up until started talking about 10 nanometer wedding like 2015 I think I
think was when they first started talking about it and then they had
potential launches in 2016 and 2017 and now next year right next year for sure
the best stuff any challenge the other thing I want to talk about so we just
want this just get all the anger Edition out it's good hyper threading i7 i-5 no
more hyper threading for you now I would argue that it's sort of you get it still
on Quora 9 so it's not like it's a lot of people are saying no more hyper
threading but it's a premium feature now for a premium price premium price you
you no longer get hyper threading for the same price you have to pay quite a
bit more for the same privilege that you've had for generations I think a lot
of people are going to be a little salty about that and I think it'll be
the angry and maybe also as confusing as naming schemes are in the build your own
PC world when it comes to chipsets and motherboard berets and all different
CPUs they've taken a standard that they've established since the Sandy
Bridge days since the first score days that other i7 stop hyper-threading that
was the future upgrade to i7 you get hyper threading and now that's not there
anymore so I don't know how many people were laboring under the delusion that
that was going to continue and might be to see you to buy that like that's
probably not gonna happen but on the other hand though like I know any
manufacturers coming out with the product especially something like a GPU
or CPU they often have to compete with themselves to some degree so creating a
product stack that can provide people with the products at a reasonable price
that's cut down and performance some versus the high-end one that they can
charge a little bit more for there's different ways that they can go about
doing that and in this case if the end results is that removing hyper-threading
still leads to sort of a step-up in performance that's kind of goes along
with the pricing increase I don't think it's that big of a deal okay you're
being too reasonable I have maybe maybe that's too reasonable I was expecting
anger they took our jobs and a hopper threatened it's numbing you i yeah to me
it very much is that it's like it's okay to lower my taxes but you can never
raise them it's hard to get over that right and we know how angry people get
over az taxes they took it away it's big problem took the hyper-threading away Oh
Donna's angry as I expected sorry you know you should've got that started
while we were sober bill deal and next time you want to ran all right actually
when I wake up in the morning what's your guess for Z on W X pricing nobody
can be wrong because I can't get too high
twenty-eight core Xeon coming out in December all that goodness six channels
you ain't got that throat Ripper to that she how much does the existing 28 core
cussed says ten great $10,000 and great eighteen core is two thousand dollars
and the new okay eighteen core with the new you know solder and higher clocks
two thousand bucks alright 2004 eighteen my opinion on this
and I mean cut roasted 5,000 5,000 yeah a country so no he was just guessing
I'm gonna go drunk I'm gonna go five thousand one what is the price is right
no no I want to say I'm actually gonna say like seven thousand Wow and let me
say why let me say why I think they can charge that much if they're already
charging eight to ten grand for their twenty eight core and people are paying
that enterprise customers like that's that's nothing to them they didn't
announce this as a consumer product they're still calling it a Zia
it's an unlock Zeon I feel like Zeon's are still tied to their enterprise
market so maybe they're still gonna kind of try to keep this in the price range
with those because that's always the problem look like these really high
court count CPUs are we going to compete with the enterprise market because
that's where they make lots of money because things are very expensive okay
so I don't know seven thousand might be high but but but it also makes sense to
because I feel for like a company it's easier to release a product at a higher
price and then drop it down if sales are fit yeah as opposed to going the other
way around and increasing that I'll be interested as as it gets closer to
launch to see how they continue pitching it okay because unlock Zeon I hadn't
heard before I mean we used to have unlocks eons back in the day is right
this is lots of fun for I never got overclocked a minute I've heard stories
heard stories great stories EVGA si one thousand seven thousand dollars appalled
I'm just saying if they trying to pitch this as an enterprise product I think
they're gonna stick with enterprise pricing okay okay
until here that Paul the Paul on YouTube says don't go for ian's five thousand go
for seven thousand is go for him hi hashtag Blaine Paul I feel like I'm
gonna get a lot of hate on this $800 all set seven worried makers up
file what's your guess 1000 well
whoa no I thought that makes me the hero that they coming to here or cutting the
18 cord probably say somewhere between five and seven I'm gonna say six I'm
gonna say six six but honestly before Paul chimed in with his his response I I
was gonna say something a little bit less than five K I was gonna say
something like 3,500 I think was okay was mine so you may go where we see your
official answer is five not 35 you know I'm gonna play the wild card say 3,500
okay and it could be totally wrong but if I'm right it'll be a miracle and
everyone will love me okay I'm gonna take half of all fetes get on this guy I
have an insider's track which is I talked to some Intel people and they
said did you hear what unit nanotech sir you said 5,000 Shh like like that slow
as I'm crazy and I win I win a lower or less than that all right but God
remember its Intel and they like money they like paying people they like paying
okay having a proper business I don't think I just can't 33,000 bucks undercut
Kyle okay way under you you got five year at seven
I love the guessing games there's nobody I was at seven before I heard your
insider info now I feel like I probably yeah but at the same time it's Intel but
guess it's like that's crazy but now though I'd only gets charged four
thousand nine hundred it'll be my fault now that they raised the price I'm sorry
don't publish this video just cut out that part o Dubbo bur I actually said
$500 Oh $500 it was a he gave it and uh in the metric
system yeah the metric system five thousand as we know is five hundred
British pound five dollars so Paul is going so Sub Pop
now alright you go keep it in rupees you got that I have no idea how to negotiate
okay so no you're gonna stick with my initial impression was was like
expensive right because because we heard the rumors right the rumors in the past
week or two they're gonna have X $5.99 and they're gonna have Z 399 and they're
gonna you know split into the high-end desktop / creator platform / gaming and
the super high-end like high workout stuff that's only makes sense for people
actually using software that uses that many cores the impression I got was that
they're keeping that super high workout stuff in that enterprise category where
things are very expensive by calling it an unlock Z on rather than saying here's
I new chipset here's a consumer platform that's just that's just a feeling it
from Z on Zeon's are always very expensive they're always expensive and I
got to say like even coming into this we had a guessing game on how much 9900 K
was gonna be I was really I was saying I really wanted it to be 350 I would have
a nice right 350 very disruptive pushing 6700 you know not your whatever the i7
down to 250 compressing the staff but I said at the time I said Intel often
doesn't disappoint us in the opposite direction so I said it probably would be
five fill out people are saying 550 and I you know I I think 500 - 523 which is
going for is its but you're you don't think it's that bad - 523 no it's 480
yeah on the street though it's like sure sure that's for a thousand right so so
1k so it'll get down a four sorry I mean you're right actually that's not that
bad 480 that's and if you want to deal on your 9900 K just buy a thousand of
them yeah just five thousand get that both cry cinema costume
huh okay well thanks for coming on thank you here we're gonna have more to drink
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