LET’S ASK FORMER WATERGATE
PROSECUTOR AND M IS,SNB KRN
TRANSCRIBEC
CONTRIBUTOR JILL WINE-BANKS.
WHAT’S YOUR TAKE?
>> I HAVE A COUPLE OF REACTIONS. >> OKAY.
>> OKAY.
>> IT REMINDS ME OF THE TWINKY DEFENSE.
REMEMBER TWINGE TWINGHEM THE KIL
SAID HE COULDN’T FORM THE PROPER
INTENT FOR MURDER BECAUSE HE HAD
TOO MANY TWINKYIES AND IT WORKED
HE WAS CONVICTED OF MANSLAUGHTER
UNDER STAED OF
INSTEAD OF MURDER.
THAT DID IT FOR THE JURY.
WILL FOXITIS DO IT IN FRONT OF
THE JURY IN MAY BE.
IT REMINDS ME OF SYDNEY POWELL’S
DEFENSE NOBODY COULD POSSIBLY
BELIEVE WHAT I’M SAYING SO YOU
CAN’T SUE ME FOR DEFAMATION
BECAUSE WHAT I SAID WAS SO
RIDICULOUS
RIDICULOUS.
WILL THAT WORK IN A COURT OF
LAW?
I DON’T THINK SO, NOT IN A COURT
OF LAW.
WILL IT WORK IN FRONT OF A JURY?
THAT’S WHERE WE HAVE TO LOOK.
IT’S VERY DISTURBING TO THINK
THAT SOMEONE COULD CLAIM THAT
THEY VOLUNTARILY WATCHED TOO
MUCH FOX NEWS, WERE SO MISLED BY
THE LIES ON FOX NEWS AND THEN
THAT RAISES THE QUESTION COULD
SOMEONE SUE FOX NEWS FOR THE
DAMAGES DONE TO THEM AS A RESULT
OF THIS?
THAT’S INTERESTING.
COULD THE FCC SORT OF TAKE SOME
ACTION AGAINST A CHANNEL THAT IS
PERPETRATING FALSEHOODS THAT
LEAD TO INSURRECTION AND DEATH?
THAT’S ANOTHER QUESTION THAT WE
HAVE TO LOOK AT.
>> THIS ALL COMES, JILL, AS THE
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS STARTING
TO OFFER PLEA DEALS TO MEMBERS
OF THE JANUARY 6th MOB INCLUDING
FOUR MEN WHO ASSAULTED CAPITOL
POLICE.
HOW ARE PLEA DEALS USED IN AN
INVESTIGATION OF THIS MAGNITUDE
AND SCALE?
>> THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS
THAT COULD BE HAPPENING HERE.
ONE, BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME OF
DEFENDANTS, IT MAY NOT BE
POSSIBLE FOR PROSECUTIONS TO
TAKE PLACE IN EVERY SINGLE CASE
AND SO THERE MAY BE REASONS TO
TAKE PLEA DEALS.
THAT WOULD GET PEOPLE TO BE
CONVICTED, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE
TO PROBABLY ONLY AGREE TO THAT
IF THEY WERE WILLING TO GRANT A
LOWER SENTENCE TO THE PERSONAL
PLEADING, OTHERWISE THERE IS NO
POINT IN THE PLEA.
SO THAT’S ONE WAY THAT THIS
COULD HAPPEN HERE IN TERMS OF A
PLEA DEAL.
THE OTHER IS TO GET EVIDENCE
FROM THE PEOPLE WHO THEY ACCEPT
PLEAS FROM AGAINST OTHER PEOPLE
SO THAT ALL THE INSURRECTIONISTS
COULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND IT
ALSO COULD BE THE TESTIMONY WILL
COME THAT WE DID THIS BECAUSE
TRUMP TOLD US TO DO IT.
WE’VE HEARD THAT WHEN WE SAW
THEM LIVE ON JANUARY 6 th AND
MANY ARE SAYING THAT NOW IN
COURT.
SO NOW WE HAVE FOX MADE ME DO
IT, TRUMP MADE ME DO IT.
THEY HAVE TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE
FOR WHAT THEY HELPED HAPPEN.
>> TWO WEEKS, HOUSE DEMOCRATS
HOPE TO INTRODUCE A BILL
ESTABLISHING A 9/11 STYLE
COMMISSION ON THE CAPITOL RIOT.
WHAT COULD WE LEARN FROM THAT
TYPE OF COMMISSION THAT THE
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT CASES WILL
UNCOVER?
>> THE JUSTICE WILL ONLY BE
LOOKING AT EITHER VIOLATIONS OF
EXISTING LAWS.
THE 9/11 COMMISSION CAN TAKE A
BROADER LOOK WHAT BROUGHT ABOUT
THIS.
WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT
WHETHER THEY VIOLATED AN
EXISTING LAW OR NOT.
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO
BE PUT INTO PLACE TO PREVENT
SOMETHING LIKE THIS?
THAT’S WHAT THE COMMISSION THAT
LOOKED AT A LOT OF THINGS DID.
IT’S ALSO SORT OF SIMILAR TO
WHAT THE SENATE WATERGATE
COMMITTEE DID UNDER SENATOR
IRVIN.
THEY WEREN’T LOOKING AT
VIOLATIONS OF LAW.
THEY WERE LOOKING FOR LAWS THAT
NEEDED TO BE PUT IN PLACE TO
PREVENT THERE EVER BEING
SOMETHING LIKE THIS AGAIN.
SO I THINK IT IMPORTANT, IT’S
ALSO IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT’S NOT
POLITICAL.
IT WOULD BE A BIPARTISAN FON
POLITICAL EFFORT TO SEE WHAT
HAPPENED.
IT’S SOMETHING THAT ALL
AMERICANS REGARDLESS OF THE SIDE
YOU’RE ON MIGHT BELIEVE WHAT
HAPPENED AND WHO IS ULTIMATELY
RESPONSIBLE.
I THINK THAT WE REALLY NEED THAT
IN ADDITION TO PROSECUTIONS.
I’M NOT -- IT DEFINITELY NOT IN
PLACE OF PROSECUTIONS.
PEOPLE NEED TO BE HELD
ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR CONDUCT.
>> WE’VE TALKED ABOUT THE
RIOTERS.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANOTHER
FORM OF CONDUCT OR MISCONDUCT.
THE "WALL STREET JOURNAL"
REPORTING SEVERAL TRUMP
ATTORNEYS ARE FACING SANCTIONS
FOR THEIR ROLE IN LITIGATING THE
BIG LIE.
WHAT WOULD THAT TYPE OF
DISCIPLINE LOOK LIKE?
HOW SERIOUS IS IT?
>> FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE
STARTING AT THE TOP, YOU HAVE
WILLIAM BARR, YOU CERTAINLY HAVE
RUDY GIULIANI, SYDNEY POWELL WHO
HAVE VIOLATED THE ETHICS OF
LAWYERS AND WHO THE STATE BARS
WHERE THEY ARE LICENSED, THEY
COULD BE DISBARRED.
THAT MEANS THEY LOSE THEIR
PROFESSION FOREVER.
THAT HAPPENS QUITE A LOT.
JOHN DEAN WAS DISBARRED, RICHARD
NIXON WAS DISBARRED.
JOHN MITCHELL THE FORMER
ATTORNEY GENERAL WAS DISPARRED.
I THINK THAT THAT’S WHAT WE’RE
LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF
NON-CRIMINAL VIOLATIONS.
THERE MAY BE CRIMINAL
VIOLATIONS, AS WELL FOR EXAMPLE
BARR TESTIFIED IN FRONT OF THE
CONGRESS AND LIED TO THEM AND
MISREPRESENTED TO THE WHOLE
AMERICAN POPULATION ABOUT WHAT
THE MUELLER REPORT SAID.
AND SO THAT COULD BE A CRIMINAL
CASE FOR FALSE STATEMENTS TO
CONGRESS BUT I THINK DISBARMENT
IS SOMETHING THAT ENDS SOMEONE’S
CAREER AND ENDS IT IN SCANDAL
AND MAKES THEM REALLY SHOULD
MAKE THEM EMBARRASSED SO THAT IS
SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN
EASILY.
THERE ARE SOME, MANY LAWYERS
HAVE ASKED FOR DISBARMENT TO