WE'RE BACK IN TALKING WITH THE FIRST MINISTER OF
SCOTLAND, NICOLA STUGON.
NOW DAVID CAMERON IS THE HEAD OF THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY.
YOU HAVE BROUGHT, FIRST OF ALL, DEMOLISHED LABOUR
ED MILLI BAND AND THE LABOUR PARTY, ARE THEY ANGRY AT SNP OR
ARE THEY MORE DISAPPOINTED IN SNP AND MILLIBAND.
DID YOU OUTFLANK THEM?
HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?
>> WELL, THEY'RE DISAPPOINTED IN MILLIBAND,
BUT THEY ARE EXPRESSING THAT BY AT THE SNP IT IS EASIER
TO BLAME THE SNP THAT WE GOT DEMOLISHED IN THE ELECTION THAN
TO SPEAK UP FOR THE REASONS WHY THEY GOT DEMOLISHED.
WHAT DOES THE SNP DO TO BEAT LABOR SO COMPREHENSIVELY, WE
STARTED ACTING MORE LIKE PEOPLE EXPECT THE LABOUR
PARTY TO ASK.
WE STOOD UP AGAINST AUSTERITY.
WE SAID, YOU KNOW, WAHAT? DON'T WANT TO SPEND $100 BILLION
ON NEW TRIDENT NUCLEAR MISSILES.
WE'D RATHER DO SOMETHING RADICAL AND INVEST THAT IN HEALTHCARE,
IN EDUCATION, IN GIVING KIDS THE BEST START IN LIFE.
YOU HAVE TO GO BACK 10 OR 20 YEARS, THESE ARE THE THINGS
LABOROUR POLITICIANS USED TO SAY IN THE U.K., BUT NOT ANY
MORE.
THEY OUT RIGHT-WING THE CONSERVATIVES, AND THAT HASN'T
WORKED FOR THEM.
>> Jon: THEIR STRATEGY HAS BEEN TO PAINT SNP AS VERY NAIVE,
THAT YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO SURVIVE WITHOUT US.
YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO DELIVER ON THE PROMISES THAT
YOU HAVE MADE.
WHAT HAS BEEN FROM THE ELECTION UNTIL NOW, WHAT HAS
BEEN THE MOST CHALLENGING PART OF DELIVERING ON THOSE
PROMISES AND WHAT HAS BEEN THE PART THAT HAS GONE AS
SMOOTHLY AS YOU WOULD LIKE.
>> IT'S ONLY A FEW WE CANS FROM THE ELECTION, ONE OF THE THINGS
WE DIDN'T EXPECT, NOBODY ACROSS THE U.K. DID EXPECT EXPECTE
DAVID CAMERON TO HAVE A MAJORITY.
WE THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE A HOME PARLIAMENT WHERE THE
SNP MIGHT HOLD THE BALANCE, DAVID CAMERON'S GOT A MAJORITY,
THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE DIFFICULT TO WIN REAL PROGRESS,
BUT WE HAVE A CLEVER, TALENTED BUNCH OF MPs THAT WILL MAKE
SCOTLAND'S VOICE HEARD AND WE-- YOU KNOW, THE SNP WITH
THE GOVERNMENT IN SCOTLAND AND THE DEVOLVED PARLIAMENT,
WE'VE BEEN THE GOVERNMENT FOR EIGHT YEARS, AND WE'VE KEPT MOST
OF OUR PROMISES, DONE REALLY GOOD THINGS FOR SCOTLAND.
AND IN EACH ELECTION, WE SEEM TO GET MORE POPULAR.
SO WE KEEP TRYING TO DO OUR BEST FOR SCOTLAND, AND HOPEFULLY
THE PEOPLE OF SCOTLAND WILL KEEP VOTING FOR US.
>> Jon: IF THE DREAM COMES TO PASS FOR YOU, AND --
>> THIS IS THE DREAM, JON.
(APPLAUSE)
>> Jon: MAY I SAY SOMETHING TO YOU AN I MEAN THIS FROM
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART.
DREAM BIGGER.
>> YOU'RE SO HUMBLE.
>> Jon: WHEN YOU DID BACK TO SCOTLAND, I DON'T EVEN THINK
IT'S AVAILABLE THERE.
>> IT'S ABOUT 4:00 IN THE MORNING.
>> Jon: I KNOW THAT, I HAVE MY CLOCKS HERE ALL SET FOR
SCOTISH TIME.
>> BUT YOU CAN EXPECT A SURGE OF VIEWERS IN SCOTLAND AND THE
U.K., WITH ALL ALL MY POLITICAL OPPONENTS.
>> Jon: THEY'RE GOING TO BE TRYING TO FIND --
>> LOOKING FOR WAYS TO HUMILIATE ME.
>> Jon: THIS IS EXCITING.
OH, YEAH, WELL, YOU'RE GOING DOWN.
I GOT NOTHING.
BUT IT IS, I FIND IT INTERESTING, IF THE DREAM
LIVES, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE TO BECOME ACCUSTOMED TO THIS
IDEA THAT THEY STILL, SCOTLAND GETS MORE MONEY,
DOESN'T IT, FROM ENGLAND, FROM WESTMINSTER.
>> YOU KNOW, THE U.K. LIKE AMERICA WAS IN DEFICIT SO WE
SPEND MORE THAN WE BRING IN IN TAXES. SCOTLAND IS IN
THE SAME POSITION, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S SUBSIDIZED
BY WESTMINSTER.
EVERY SINGLE YEAR, FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS NOW, WE IN
SCOTLAND HAVE GENERATED MORE TAX PER HEAD OF POPULATION THAN
THE U.K. BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A STRONG PRODUCTIVE ECONOMY.
WE WORK PRETTY HARD.
>> Jon: 1.9% TO, I BELIEVE, .9%.
>> WE'RE NOT SUBSIDIZED.
WE'RE MORE THAN CAPABLE OF STANDING ON OUR OWN.
>> Jon: DO YOU LIKE THE STATS.
>> I HAVE NO IDEA IF THEY ARE TRUE, I THINK YOU JUST
MADE THEM UP.
YOU COULD BE A POLITICIAN.
>> Jon: LET ME TELL YOU THIS, I BELIEVE WE MADE THEM UP.
>> YOU WOULD BE A REALLY GREAT POLITICIAN.
>> Jon: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I APPRECIATE THAT.
IF YOU WERE TO GET THE DREAM-- DO STILL DREAM OF
THAT SELF-DETERMINATION, WOULD YOU STILL BE A PART OF
U.K., A PART OF THE EUROPEAN UNION WHAT WOULD YOU WANT TO
DO.
>> YES TO BE PART OF THE EUROPEAN UNION.
ONE OF THE REALLY WORRYING THINGS ABOUT DAVID CAMERON
MIGHT BE ABOUT TO TAKE THE U.K. OUT OF THE EUROPEAN
UNION.
THAT WOULD BE DEVASTATING FOR SCOTLAND AND THE U.K.
SO HE WITH WANT TO BE PART OF THE EUROPEAN UNION.
AND IF SCOTLAND BECAME INDEPENDENT WE WOULDN'T BE
PART OF THE UNITED KINGDOM ANY MORE, BUT WE WOULD STILL
BE PART OF THE BRITISH AISLES.
SO SCOTLAND, WALES, ENGLAND, NORTHERN ISLAND, A FAMILY OF
NATIONS AND WE CAN BE A FAMILY OF NATIONS EVEN IF
SCOTLAND IS INDEPENDENT.
YOU KNOW MY GRANDMOTHER WAS ENGLISH, MANY PEOPLE IN
SCOTLAND HAVE FAMILY IN ENGLAND.
LOTS OF PEOPLE IN ENGLAND HAVE FAMILY IN SCOTLAND.
WE'VE GOT REALLY STRONG LINKS.
WE'VE GOT SHARED HISTORY.
THOSE LINKS WILL NEVER BE BROKEN.
WE JUST WANT TO STAND ON OUR OWN TWO FEET AND MAKE
OUR OWN DECISIONS.
>> Jon: WE FEEL THAT WAY HERE ABOUT NEW JERSEY AND
WHERE WE'RE-- WE HAVE A LOT OF BLOOD TIES BUT THE TRUTH
IS, IF WE LOST THEM -- MEH.
>> I THINK IT'S A SHAME.
>> Jon: IT IS A BIT OF A SHAME.
ARE YOU GOING TO GO TO D.C.
AND TALK TO OUR POLITICIANS, WHAT IS YOUR-- TO TALK ABOUT
HOW AUSTERITY DEVASTATES THE COUNTRY, HOW IT IS A
DIFFICULT POLICY, HOW IT IS ONE THAT IS NOT THE RIGHT
WAY OUT.
ENGLAND HAS SUFFERED AND AUSTERITY.
THE THING THAT STRUCK ME AS THE MOST UNUSUAL ABOUT THIS
ELECTION WAS AUSTERITY POLICIES SEEM VERY UNPOPULAR
AND YET CAMERON AND THE TORYS WON.
>> THAT'S BECAUSE ED MILLIBAND AND LABOUR DIDN'T
STAND UP AND GIVE AN ALTERNATIVE.
THEY PROMISED MORE OF THE SAME, MORE OR LESS.
AND PEOPLE WANTED AN ALTERNATIVE TO THAT.
>> Jon: DOW REMEMBER, IN THE ELECTION WHERE AL GORE LOST
TO GEORGE W. BUSH, OR THEY TIED, NOT THAT IT HAD
CONSEQUENCES FOR THE WORLD.
>> NOT VERY MANY.
>> Jon: BUT RALPH NADER WAS THE SPOILER, AND EVERYBODY
WAS MAD AT RALPH NADER, ARE YOU GUYS IN THE SPOILER
POSITION, COULD CAMERON HAVE GOTTEN THAT MAJORITY.
>> THERE WERE NO HANGING CHADS IN THE U.K. GENERAL
ELECTION.
EVEN IF LABOUR HAD WON EVERY SINGLE SEAT IN SCOTLAND, IF
THE SNP HAD TAKEN NO SEATS, THE TORIES WOULD STILL HAVE
WON.
THE TORIES WON IN ENGLAND.
ED MILLIBAND WASN'T ABLE TO BEAT THE CONSERVATIVES IN
ENGLAND.
>> Jon: THE BACON SANDWICH, WHAT HAPPENED?
>> THE BACON SANDWICH I DON'T THINK HELPED, TO BE HONEST.
>> Jon: IT REALLY DIDN'T HELP, THE BACON SANDWICH.
>> I DON'T THINK IT WAS THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM.
CERTAINLY IT DIDN'T HELP THINGS.
>> Jon: I AM SO PLEASED TO MEET YOU.
CONGRATULATIONS ON BEING THE FIRST MINISTER OF
SCOTLAND -- YOU THE FIRST WOMAN TO BE FIRST MINSTER OF SCOTLAND?
>> YES.
>> Jon: CONGRATULATIONS.
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
>> Jon: THE FIRST MINISTER OF SCOTLAND.
WE WISH YOU WELL AND IF YOU EVER ARE THINKING ABOUT
TRYING TO UNLOAD SOME OF THAT SWEET, SWEET, NORTH
ATLANTIC TEA, YOU ALWAYS HAVE A FRIEND IN AMERICA.
>> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
(APPLAUSE)