BRYAN: LUCAS TOMLINSON, THANK
YOU.
LIVE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE.
AISHA: FOR MORE ON THIS, LET’S
BRING IN OUR POLITICAL PANEL.
JOINING US NOW IS RICHARD
FOWLER, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR,
AND MARC LOTTER, FORMER SPECIAL
ASSISTANT TO PRESIDENT TRUMP AND
FELLOW HOOSIER.
THANK YOU SO MUCH TO YOU BOTH
FOR JOINING US ON YOUR SATURDAY.
A LOT TO GET TO.
LET’S START WITH THE PRESIDENT’S
CALL TO CONGRESS TO PASS THIS
ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN WHICH, AS
LUCAS POINTED OUT, IS GOING TO
BE VERY TOUGH FOR CONGRESS TO
DO.
THE PRESIDENT KEEPS RELYING ON
THE FORMER BAN AND KEEPS MAKING
THE CLAIM THAT IT WORKED.
WATCH THIS.
>> AND IN THE 10 YEARS IT WAS
LAW, MASS SHOOTINGS WENT DOWN.
AISHA: SO FACT CHECK.ORG THOUGH
JUST TAKES A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH
SAYS THE NUMBERS AREN’T SO
CLEAR.
IN FACT, THEY POINT TO A
DOJ-FUNDED STUDY WHICH FOUND
SHOULD IT BE RENEWED, THE BAN’S
EFFECTS ON GUN VIOLENCE ARE
LIKELY TO BE THE SMALL AT BEST
AND PERHAPS TOO SMALL FOR
RELIABLE MEASURE.
RICHARD, DO DEMOCRATS NEED TO
MAYBE TAKE A PAUSE, DOES THE
PRESIDENT PERHAPS NEED TO TAKE A
PAUSE BEFORE AT LEAST WE GET
SOME MORE RESEARCH IN ON THIS
ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN?
>> LISTEN, I THINK THIS GOES FAR
BEYOND POLICY, I THINK THIS IS
WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
SINCE THIS JEER STARTED WE HAVE
HAD -- YEAR STARTED WE HAVE HAD
274 MASS SHOOTINGS IN THIS
COUNTRY.
SINCE BUFFALO, TOPS GROCERY
STORE, WHICH WAS JUST ABOUT 10
OR 15 DAYS AGO, WE’VE HAD ALMOST
20 THE MASS SHOOTINGS IN THIS
COUNTRY.
AND IN THE TOPS GROCE THELY
STORE SHOOTING IN BUFFALO AS
WELL AS IN TEXAS, THE SHOOTER
USED AN A AR-15.
SO WHAT THE PRESIDENT’S ASKING
FOR AND A I THINK A LOT OF THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE AS WELL IS HOW
DO WE CREATE A WORLD IN WHICH
PEOPLE CAN GO TO THE GROCERY
STORE, THE MOVIE THEATER, PEOPLE
CAN GO TO THE HOSPITAL, THE
PLACE THAT THEY GO TO EVERY DAY
AND LIVE IN COMMUNITY WITHOUT
THE FEAR OF A MASS SHOOTING.
AND ONE OF THE WAYS TO GET TO
THAT IS FINDING WAYS TO LIMIT
PEOPLE’S USE OF GUNS.
AND I SAY THIS AS SOMEBODY WHO
IS ALSO A GUN OWNER, RIGHT?
BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT I
DON’T NEED AN AR-15 TO PROTECT
MY HOME OR FAMILY.
AISHA: LOOK, I THINK EVERYBODY
WANTS SOMETHING TO GET DONE, FOR
SURE, BUT YOU CAN’T SAY THERE
ISN’T SOME POLITICS HAPPENING AT
LEAST IN CONGRESS WHERE
DEMOCRATS EVEN IN THE HOUSE AND
SENATE CAN’T AGREE ON THE
APPROACH.
FOR EXAMPLE, THERE’S A BIG GUN
REFORM PACKAGE MOVING THROUGH
THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW, THEY JUST
ADVANCED IT.
THERE’S GOING TO BE A VOTE ON IT
NEXT WEEK.
AND IT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE
RAISING THE MINIMUM AGE TO BUY
AN ASSAULT RIFLE, BASICALLY
BANNING HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINES,
AND CAN THEN REPRESENTATIVE
MONTH DARE JONES, A DEMOCRAT,
DROPS THIS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
MARK-UP HEARING.
WATCH.
>> IT’S A FILIBUSTER -- IF IT
OBSTRUCTS US, WE WILL ABOLISH
IT.
IF THE SUPREME COURT OBJECTS, WE
WILL EXPAND IT, AND WE WILL NOT
REST UNTIL WE HAVE TAKEN WEAPONS
I OF WAR OUT OF CIRCULATION IN
OUR COMMUNITIES.
>> NOW WE KNOW WHERE THEY WANT
TO GO, THEY JUST SAID IT.
INTO FILIBUSTER, EXPAND THE
COURT.
FORGET THE CONSTITUTION.
AISHA: MARC, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF
THAT?
DO YOU THINK THINGS LIKE THAT
HELP THE CONVERSATION?
>> I THINK IT JUST POLARIZES IT
EVEN FURTHER, AND WHAT’S MISSING
RIGHT HERE IS AN ALL OF THE
ABOVE KIND OF SOLUTION.
WE NEED TO DEAL WITH MORE THAN
JUST GUNS, AND MANY ON THE LEFT
JUST TRY TO POINT GUNS, GUNS,
GUNS.
WE NEED TO GET INTO THE ISSUES
OF MENTAL HEALTH, WE NEED TO GET
INTO THE ISSUES OF STRENGTHENING
FAMILIES, STRENGTH THENNING
COMMUNITIES, HEARDENNING OUR
SCHOOLS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE
WORTH ATTACKS THAT GO BACK IN
OUR NATION’S HISTORY, WE DIDN’T
JUST BAN THE WEAPON THAT WAS
USED, WE STRENGTHENED SECURITY
WHETHER IT WAS POST-9/11,
POST-OKLAHOMA CITY, WE HARDENED
THE BUILDINGS, MADE THINGS MORE
SECURE.
SO WE CAN TAKE AN ALL OF THE
ABOVE APPROACH.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT
DEMOCRATS JUST KEEP GOING BACK
TO THIS TIRE THED OLD NARRATIVE
THAT IT’S ALL ABOUT THE GUN.
IT’S ABOUT THE SHOOTER, AND WE
NEED TO GET TO THE FUNDAMENTAL
FACTS OF THAT WHETHER IT’S THE
FATHERLESS HOMES, WHETHER IT’S
FAMILIES, WHETHER IT’S MENTAL
HEALTH AND ALL OF THE ABOVE.
AISHA: AND THE MENTAL HEALTH AND
THE RED FLAG LAWS AND THINGS
LIKE THAT, SCHOOL SECURITY, ARE
BEING DISCUSSED ON THE SENATE
SIDE.
RICHARD, I WANT TO ASK YOU WHAT
DO YOU MAKE OF THOSE SENATE
TALKS?
I KNOW THERE ARE AT LEAST 8
REPUBLICANS THAT ARE NEGOTIATING
RIGHT NOW.
THEY NEED 10 TO BE ABLE TO PASS
ANYTHING IN THAT SENATE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK, ARE YOU
HEARTENED BY THESE
CONVERSATIONS?
>> LOOK, A COUPLE THINGS HERE.
I HAD A CHANCE TO SIT DOWN WITH
SOME OF THE PARKLAND VICTIMS AND
THEIR PARENTS, I’VE ALSO HAD THE
CHANCE TO TALK WITH GUN
OWNERSES.
WE COULD HAVE THIS CONVERSATION
OVER AND OVER AGAIN ABOUT HOW
WE’RE GOING TO MAKE OUR SCHOOLS
LOOK LIKE PRISONS, BUT THAT’S
NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
WE ARE THE ONLY DEVELOPED
COUNTRY IN THE WORLD THAT HAS
THIS AMOUNT OF MASS SHOOTINGS,
LIKE I SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF
THIS SEGMENT, 274 SINCE THE
BEGINNING OF THIS THIS YEAR.
SO EITHER WE’RE GOING TO DEAL
WITH THE THING THAT CAUSES THE
MASS SHOOTING WHICH IS HIGH
CAPACITY MAGAZINES, AR-15s AND
ASSAULT RIFLES --
AISHA: BUT CAN I ASK YOU THIS,
THERE ARE MASS SHOOTINGS
HAPPENING EVERY WEEKEND IN OUR
INNER CITIES.
>> YEAH.
AISHA: WE SEE MULTIPLE SHOOTINGS
EVERY NIGHT, DAILY, IN CITIES
LIKE CHICAGO.
AND PETER DOOCY ACTUALLY BROUGHT
THIS UP IN A DAILY BRIEFING JUST
THIS WEEK ABOUT THIS.
WHAT ABOUT THE ILLEGAL GUNS?
LET’S WATCH THIS REALLY QUICKLY,
AND I’LL HAVE YOU RESPOND ON THE
OTHER SIDE.
>> Reporter: 47 PEOPLE SHOT
THERE THE OVER THE MEMORIAL DAY
WEEKEND, 9 OF THEM DIED.
SO WHICH LAW WOULD HAVE
PREVENTED ANY OF THAT?
>> ALL RIGHT.
WELL --
>> Reporter: DO WE THINK ALL
THESE PEOPLE IN CHICAGO WHO ARE
SHOOTING EACH OTHER ARE LEGALLY
BUYING THEIR GUNS?
>> SO HERE’S A COUPLE OF
EXAMPLES FOR YOU, AND I WAS JUST
TALKING ABOUT THE RED FLAGS LAW.
THERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES HERE OF
HOW THEY’VE PREVENTED TRAGEDIES.
AISHA: SO, RICHARD, GO AHEAD.
WHAT ABOUT THE GUNS THAT ARE
ACQUIRED ILLEGALLY?
>> LISTEN, I THINK THIS IS
ABSOLUTELY A CONVERSATION WE
HAVE TO HAVE.
I LIVE IN THE MISSION’S CAPITAL
WHERE WE’VE SEEN AN INCREASE --
NATION’S CAPITAL WHERE WE’VE
SEEN AN INCREASE IN GUN
VIOLENCE.
OFTEN TIMES ON THE RIGHT AND ON
THE LEFT, I THINK WE LIVE MANY A
COUNTRY THAT TO GO FROM VIRGINIA
OR MARYLAND OR VIRGINIA TO D.C.
THERE’S A BORDER CONTROL LIKE
WE’RE GOING TO A NEW COUNTRY,
BUT WE’RE NOT.
WE HAVE A NATION THAT’S 50
DIFFERENT STATES WITH 50
DIFFERENT SET OF GUN LAWS.
SO IF YOU CAN BUY A GUN IN
VIRGINIA AND MAKE A STRAW
PRESSURE IN WASHINGTON, D.C. DO,
THEREIN LIES THE PROBLEM.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS TO
STEP IN AND SAY, LOOK, WE
BELIEVE IN THE SECOND AMENDMENT,
IN THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS, BUT
THAT RIGHT COMES WITH LIMITS,
AND THOSE LIMITS END WHEN
INNOCENT PEOPLE LOSE THEIR LIVES
WHETHER THEY’RE AT A SCHOOL,
WHEN THEY’RE AT A COMMUNITY
BLOCK PARTY IN CHICAGO, WHETHER
THEY’RE AT A GROCERY STORE IN
BUFFALO.
WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ALL OF THE
ABOVE APPROACH.
I AGREE WITH MARC.
PART OF IT IS STOPPING THE
PROLIVE RIGHTS OF AR-15s,
THE -- PROLIFERATION, AND THE
OTHER PART IS STOPPING THE
PROLIFERATION OF ILLEGAL GUNS
WHICH MEANS FORCING SOME STATES
TO HARDEN THEIR LAWS SO PEOPLE
CAN’T MAKE STRAW PURCHASES FOR
GUNS FROM, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE
PARTIES FROM ONE TO ANOTHER.
AISHA: MARC, YOU CAN RESPOND TO
RICHARD.
>> WELL, I THINK WE HAVE TO
RECOGNIZE ALL OF THESE GUN
LAWS -- AND, BY THE WAY, MOST OF
THESE CITIES HAVE THE TOUGHEST
GUN LAWS, IT’S NOT THE LAW THAT
MATTERS --
>> BUT YOU’RE MISSING MY
POINT --
[INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS]
AISHA: IF WE CAN LET -- LET’S
LET MARC WRAP IT UP REALLY
QUICKLY.
>> YEAH.
WHAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IS
THERE IS NOT A SINGLE ANSWER TO
THIS, AS I SAID EARLIER.
AND IT DOESN’T MATTER IF YOU
RAISE THE AGE OF WHEN SOMEONE
CAN BUY A GUN, YOU KNOW?
THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE BUYING THEM
IN BACK ALLEYS OUT OF TRUNKS
AREN’T GETTING BACKGROUND
CHECKS, AND NO ONE’S GIVING THEM
AN ID TO SEE IF THEY ARE OLD
ENOUGH TO HAVE THAT WEAPON.
A HEIR GOING TO USE THAT WEAPON.
-- THEY’RE GOING TO USE THAT THE
WEAPON.
WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN LAW
ENFORCEMENT, SUPPORT OUR POLICE
AND ALSO MAKE SURE WE’RE TAKING
STEPS NECESSARY TO SECURE THOSE
AREAS LIKE A LOT OF THESE
LAWMAKERS, THEY LIVE BEHIND VERY
TIGHT SECURITY AND GUN BANS, AND
THAT’S WHAT KEEPS THOSE
BUILDINGS SAFE.
AISHA: YEAH.
THE ATF IN NEW YORK, WE JUST
INTERVIEWED SOMEBODY FROM THAT
ORGANIZATION THAT SAID THEY
WOULD LOVE MORE PEOPLE TO WORK
WITH THEM.
THANK YOU TO YOU BOTH, WE