A few years ago, debate bro,
Steve Crowder dodged a debate at
Politicon with Sam Seder.
In fact,
his papa had to intervene and let
the organizers over at Politicon
know that Sam Seder and
his son absolutely cannot debate.
He would be bodied by Sam Seder,
and it would be embarrassing.
And so ever since,
Crowder has been running away from
a debate with Sam Seder.
It's been fun to watch.
That's how he was dubbed
Cold Feet Crowder, lots of fun.
And then Crowder made the mistake
of engaging in a tease with
the hosts over at H3.
Now, H3 is a YouTube channel that
is not political.
Their content is different from
what we do,
different from what Sam Seder does.
But they noticed that
Steven Crowder loves to do and
say offensive things.
Obviously, he's done and
said racist things,
transphobic things.
We all know this, which is why I
mostly just ignore him because it's
all part of his performance, right,
his performance art.
He says terrible things.
He breaks YouTube guidelines.
His videos get demonetized, and
then he cries and
whines about it because
he thinks he's being censored.
Now with that said, H3 was pretty
disgusted with his content.
They also noticed that he was
spreading disinformation about
coronavirus, which is honestly what
the right wing does overall.
And so Crowder, knowing that the H3
hosts are not super political,
starts saying that he wants to get
into a debate.
Now, before that happens,
I want to go to this first video
because Dan from H3 specifically
called Crowder out on the fact that
he dodged Sam Seder, let's watch.
>> Dan had this one moment that
actually went a little bit viral in
the political community
that Steven notably ignored during
our tit for tat.
I'll play it for you here.
And this is where I'm leading to.
>> Makes sense to a lot of people,
but just because I feel like
there's a decent chance
Steven Crowder will see this and
this will be the only time that I
get to say this.
Debate Sam Seder, dude.
Stop being such a- [LAUGH] >> I
know that your dad doesn't want you
to, but that was a long time ago.
You're three years older now,
it's time, it's time to debate Sam.
>> So Ethan Klein,
one of the hosts over at H3, agrees
to a debate with Crowder, right?
Because they clearly disagree with
each other and he's like,
sure, I'll get into this debate.
But Klein isn't a political person.
He doesn't do this, right?
He's not spending his entire day
researching political news stories
and issues and all that.
But he knew about this whole
Crowder versus Sam Seder thing.
He knew about Crowder running away.
And so they set things up for
this debate.
Klein agrees to debate Crowder, and
then this happens.
>> Ethan, thanks, man for
making the time.
>> You're very welcome.
And I just want to say I know
you called me.
You said that I would be a layup.
[LAUGH] >> Which is fine.
>> I think I did something like
that, yeah. >> And I think you're
right because I don't think I'm
a very good debater.
I think you know that.
So I don't want to make it too easy
for you.
Okay.
>> So I've prepared.
>> Okay.
>> Yes.
>> All right, so- >> So Dan,
I want to hear about you.
>> What we were going to talk about
is the initial quote that happened.
I think he's looking off there,
the initial quote that kind of was
turned into a little bit of a meme,
which wasn't intentional.
And was you saying you don't even
have to think about it regarding
the CDC.
And I disagree with that.
I think people should think about
it, I believe.
And we've talked about this too
playful ribbing and an aggregation
of medical authorities and
scientific voices to make
an informed and rational decision.
So where do you think
that I'm wrong on that?
>> Steven,
do you know that the Spartans,
that they practice man-love with
children?
>> Geez, okay, so
this is what's going to happen.
What did I tell you?
He was going to do anything he
could to avoid.
There he is.
No, Sam Seder, whoa,
what a [BLEEP] nightmare.
>> Thank you, Steven.
>> I had no idea this was going to
happen.
>> All right, so I think it's
important to replay critical
moments from that last clip.
Let's go to the next clip because I
really want you guys to
soak this in and
understand what's happening here.
>> There he is.
No, no, no, Sam Seder, whoa,
what a [BLEEP] nightmare.
>> Thank you, Steven.
>> And just one more clip from that
moment.
>> I thought Ethan was a stand-up
guy.
Well- >> This is where we are,
yeah, I told Dave.
Dave, remember I told you?
I told you, I said, I guarantee you
he's going to do anything he can to
avoid the debate.
>> I just think he believes that he
should debate you.
>> No, no, he doesn't,
he just takes advantage of women
with mental health issues.
>> Steven, you know that's
[CROSSTALK] >> Funny I gotta say-
>> It's just hilarious what's
going on to FM.
>> I told my producers that you
would do anything to avoid
talking to me.
I think the point that you make-
>> Does that include Joe Logan, and
Dave Rubin, and Ben Shapiro.
>> Yeah, Joe Logan,
and Ben Shapiro, and
Dave Rubin, John Peterson, and
Noam Chomsky, and Sam Harris.
Everyone's been avoiding Sam Seder.
>> And not just to test to
get your audience by jumping in.
[LAUGH] >> Well,
I debated with Charlie Kirk.
>> Steven, I mean,
it's about issues.
>> It's about issues, yeah.
>> Let's talk about those issues.
>> That's what you're
doing here, yeah.
>> I think you have some valid
points- >> You're so clever.
>> That I think we should discuss.
>> I had no idea that you were
taking your show off early last
time coming in
today with your pigpen peanut size.
>> You wish ever [LAUGH]
>> Could you take those off
the velveteen buttons?
>> You must be very worried about
this, Steven.
I don't know
why- >> No one's worried about it.
>> Come on, Sam.
>> He didn't want to do it.
>> Well, let's have a debate if no
one's worried,
let's do this Sam, come one.
>> I tell you what,
I have a general rule.
>> This is a great opportunity to-
>> I don't start a debate based
with people on a lie.
And how about you get- >> Or
sabotaging.
>> How about you get- >> Steven,
show yourself, you coward.
Steven show yourself.
Don't show your co-host.
>> Ethan, you should even- >> Show
yourself.
>> [CROSSTALK] Ethan, how can you
respect yourself as a man brother.
>> Something so
strongly- >> Steven,
you're such a coward.
Stop showing your little leprechaun
co-host who comes down dressed like
your son Keith.
>> Come on.
>> [LAUGH] Drums.
>> Okay, okay, I gotta give you one
piece of context and then, Cenk,
I love this story.
Okay, if you caught Crowder say to
Sam Seder, you ended your show
early, what he's referring to is
how he's been constantly keeping
tabs on Sam Seder because he was
afraid this was going to happen.
>> A guy who's so- >> That's so
good, it's so good, it's so good.
>> No, okay, if you- >> All those
big guns ain't going to protect you
from Sam Seder, are they, right?
Yeah. [LAUGH] >> It's where
the holster.
>> [LAUGH] He wears a gun holster.
>> Yeah, our job really tough.
>> He's a big tough guy,
he's a big tough guy.
>> Our job's so tough and
if you try to debate me,
I have a job.
>> He's a big, tough guy,
I changed my mind, changed my mind.
Yeah.
>> You're worried about Sam Seder
maybe changing your mind?
>> [LAUGH] Yeah. >> So good.
>> Change my diapers,
change my diapers.
[LAUGH] >> I gotta run.
>> Dana.
>> [LAUGH] Okay, so now, guys,
a lot of you are either not
familiar with this or
having the time of your life.
For those of you who are unfamiliar
with this, you're going to want to
like, what is going on here, okay?
So let me just break down real
quick for you, guys,
the hilarious backstory of this.
Ana already explained to you what
happened when Crowder
ran from the original debate.
But Crowder built his whole career
on going and
challenging people to debates.
In fact, he would set up a little
booth on college campuses and
ambush rando college students,
right?
And he had a sign that said,
change my mind, right?
And so now he claims he doesn't
want to debate Sam Seder because he
doesn't have as many subscribers as
he does, as Crowder does.
>> Please, please.
>> But wait,
did the rando college student have
as many subscribers as you?
[LAUGH] Okay, no,
and by the way, how did Crowder get
famous in the first place?
By attacking us, okay,
like almost every right-winger.
In fact, he dressed up as me.
He dressed up as both of
us several times.
He loves playing dress-up.
>> He loves playing dress-up,
which is okay.
>> Yeah. >> No judgment in
that regard.
>> Yeah, God bless, have at it?
So dress up in private,
wherever you want.
We're open to it, okay?
Yeah, you like to hide, we're okay,
you can come out, it's okay.
So now I'm going to tell you about
his ambush of me,
which I found to be amusing, okay?
So this whole, I can't believe I
was ambushed, that I had to have
a debate with someone intelligent.
Nobody told me this was coming,
okay.
But I love this, actually
John Arola tipped me off this,
I love it.
Daily Wire had a column about this.
So they're
conservative outlet, right?
And I love they put the columnist,
they're like, opinion, why?
Was there any facts of
The Daily Wire?
[LAUGH] >> You get
to label that opinion?
Okay, fine, right, and
then I love this.
And so they're defending Crowder
for running.
>> Okay, yeah.
>> Because that's what alpha male
conservatives would do.
Remember, these are the guys that
hold things like, free spiritual,
we need to debate,
a free marketplace of ideas.
My God, there's an idea, run, okay?
So Daily Wire jumps in, and
here's the quote.
Also known as debate me bros,
there are various online figures
who often with nefarious intentions
seek out debate, both online and
in the real world.
>> Like what?
>> Like Steven Crowder who would go
in the real world not affiliated
like at South By against me, etc.,
would go to college campuses.
Steven Crowder
is the original debate me bro.
>> This is an opinion column
in The Daily Wire.
>> Yeah. >> You mean
Ben Shapiro's Daily Wire?
>> Yeah. >> The same Ben Shapiro
who was doing the whole debate me
bro thing with AOC?
>> 100%, okay?
>> That guy, yeah.
>> Every right-winger, go back and
look at all of their original
videos.
They're all like, whoa,
The Young Turks debate us.
Why would The Young Turks
debate us?
That's why Crowder had to show up
in person to try to get some
attention riding off my you
know what.
>> We have that video.
You want to go to that real quick?
>> Yeah, I'm going to after quote
because I love the hypocrisy
here and it's hilarious.
The Daily Wire continues, the
strategy itself is ingenious, why?
Because the right-wing
started it, right?
[LAUGH] Anyway, if the target of
the debate accepts,
then a low risk opportunity for
notoriety is provided with which
the debate me bro can promote their
own ideologies,
usually in front of an audience
much larger than their own.
That is exactly why they used to
target The Young Turks all
the time.
And a lot of them still do because
they're like, well,
if we can just get it for
The Young Turks audience, maybe we
can have an actual fans watch us.
They're not the only
ones, by the way.
[LAUGH] If the target of
the debate declines,
then the debate me bro can claim
hypothetical victory by repacking
such refusals ideological cowardice
on the part of their opponent.
It's all on tape.
You could see them doing that same
exact tactic.
So now for them to come around and
go, can you believe this
ingenious tactic?
I mean, we just found out about it
from Sam Seder.
We never knew about it before.
Okay, now,
if you're not sure who's right and
who's wrong,
now we can go to my tape.
>> Yeah. >> So
this is South By several years ago.
One of the bigger conferences in
the country, right, on digital
media and other parts of the media.
And I'm doing a panel, and
let's watch what happens.
>> What's going on here.
I thought we had a [INAUDIBLE] it's
a real shame.
That's bullshit [INAUDIBLE] that's
real shame.
[INAUDIBLE] >> Okay,
this is Steven Crowder.
[INAUDIBLE] >> Okay,
so this is- >> Okay, okay.
[CROSSTALK] >> They only
want to get numbers is by being in
The Young Turks because we're 100
million views on YouTube, everyone.
[CROSSTALK] People on the show.
>> Okay, so that- >> He seems super
talented, actually, yeah.
>> Yeah. [LAUGH] >> Really,
really, funny.
I mean, I could totally see why his
dad is super embarrassed by him.
Let's keep it real.
>> Yeah. >> His dad needs to
protect him from himself.
Think about that.
>> Yeah. >> His dad needed to
intervene to ensure that his son
didn't get bodied by Sam Seder at
a Politicon debate.
>> No, but
the hypocrisy of Crowder today
saying that he wouldn't talk to
Sam Seder because he was ambushed.
You just saw the tape.
He went and
bought a ticket to a conference
which costs a lot of money full
well know he's going to get kicked
out once he does this stunt, right?
That's how desperate he was to
get a piece of our action, right?
And so he does that
so-called damage.
And if you see it right there with
your own eyes.
In the beginning,
I was slightly amused by it.
I was like, okay, so what?
And I told people,
this is Steven Crowder, and
he's trying to ride off her.
[LAUGH] And then, of course,
what does Crowder do?
He didn't actually want to debate.
He didn't let me talk at all.
And besides he wasn't on the panel
and it wasn't fair to the rest
of the guys.
Look, all of us
are amused in the beginning, right?
And then he sits down and
he won't go, and
he won't go until finally they have
to escort him out, etc., right?
>> Yeah.
>> But this guy claiming that it's
just out of bounds to do an ambush,
out of bounds to have me actually
discuss an idea with someone way,
way, way smarter than me,
totally out of bounds.
>> No, what I love about this whole
thing, what it does is it reveals
how these right-wingers are.
Honestly, they're just
scammers, right?
They're nothing more than scammers.
And it's not just Steven Crowder
who would do it.
I mean, you see it with some of
the videos that Dave Rubin put up,
that Ben Shapiro puts up.
They'll do these appearances on
college campuses, and
there'll be a student or
two who wants to challenge them.
Student will stand up and say, hey,
maybe don't be so
disrespectful to transgender people
who have no power.
And then they immediately cut
the mic and start yelling at them.
It's like, yeah, I won the debate,
I won the debate.
Ben Shapiro destroys transgender
student.
Same with,
you know what I'm talking about,
they're all over.
YouTube is littered with
those videos.
But when it comes to actually
debating someone who knows what
he's talking about, someone like
Sam Seder, they run away, right?
So as a result, I mean,
their grift, it's unraveling.
And so it's all hands on deck for
conservatives in the media, right?
That's why you have The Daily Wire
publishing that.
Papa Crowder had to make some calls
because they need something
to distract from that
embarrassing moment.
And so I think today,
Donald Trump Jr.
agreed to go on Crowder Show.
>> That's so sad.
>> It's so sad, so delicious.
>> It's in the news.
Don't worry about it, squirrel,
squirrel, okay?
>> Totally, totally.
>> Donald Jr.,
could you please come on over?
I'm in desperate straits.
They caught me, they caught me.
Please come on.
Could you imagine Donald Jr.
comes on, Sam Seder jumps in.
[LAUGH] >> I know, but I love that
they think Donald Trump Jr.
going on Crowder Show would somehow
distract from that epic moment.
And by the way,
I just want to relive that epic
moment one more time, let's watch.
>> Let's debate, Steven.
[CROSSTALK] Don't be a coward.
>> Let's debate, Ethan.
[CROSSTALK] >> What's the matter if
you debate, coward?
>> [LAUGH] All right, good,
you guys are good, thank you.
>> Coward.
>> Won't even take off the glasses.
>> I was right.
>> All right, yeah. >> You can just
run away.
>> You ran away twice,
cold feet again, come on, Steven.
>> Wow.
[APPLAUSE] >> Wow, dude.
[LAUGH] >> He literally ran
away again.
>> I know, what shows that love
attacking us that have tiny little
minions, okay?
Why do they keep- >> I don't know,
it's fine, I don't care, whatever.
[LAUGH] >> We signed up for
what we're doing.
It's a public show, and
it's going to come with some good
things, bad things, I don't care.
>> Yeah.
>> Nothing is going to take away
from how epic that was and
how much I appreciated it.
And I would argue that in terms of
progressive media,
that might be one of the best
stories of all time.
>> [LAUGH] It was super fun,
it was super fun.
>> Yeah, no, no, but we need fun.
We need to post our W's, right?
That was a W, a huge win.
Thank you to Sam Seder for
delivering for the progressive
movement and embarrassing Crowder,
I mean, so thoroughly that, I mean,
can he ever really show his face in
a debate context again?
>> Yeah, and so, guys,
the bottom line is the guys who
told you that they care about
the free marketplace of ideas.
And that's why they have to say all
the racist, sexist, blah, blah,
blah things that they say,
because they care so much about
the marketplace of ideas.
They want to dial ideas to 11 or
whatever that thing that Rubin
wanted to do, right?
>> In the hot position.
[LAUGH] >> Yeah, move it to the hot
position of Rubin, okay, hot ideas.
Sam's here, everybody run.
[LAUGH] Okay, apparently,
not interested in ideas.
>> Mode from taking in so
many high level important ideas.
[LAUGH]