(Slice of Wisdom) Next question, shall we?
Which comes from Christina Gagnon or gagnant?
Not sure.
Ganyan.
I'm curious as to where on the knife manufacturers measure the blade length?
Is it from the tip to the back of the cutting edge?
Or is it from the tip to the very beginning of the scales?
Or is it from the tip to the very end of the blade that is hidden inside the handle scales?
Inquiring minds would like to know?
Or maybe just me?
It's not just you, this is actually another very frequent question that we get.
And it's a question without a good answers to questions in a row here without very good
answers.
And that's because there is no standard that the the whole industry follows.
Different manufacturers are going to measure their certain way.
And I can't even tell you what all of them are, because some of them seem very inconsistent,
which is why on our site, what we like to try and do is we'll give you two measurements,
we will give you a sharpened edge measurement, as well as a tip to leading edge of the handle
measurement where we can, sometimes when things are up for, like preorder before things have
actually been released, we have to rely on a manufacturer specification, and that's where
things get a little weird.
Another thing that makes things complicated, is not all states or jurisdictions defined
blade length the same way.
So now you're adding a complete other can of worms.
So I know why this is important.
You want to make sure the blade you're going to have in wherever you live is going to be
legal, right?
Most people care about that.
Anyway, some, some aren't gonna care.
And that's you do you already know.
As always caveat, we're not lawyers.
But to kind of illustrate that I will share kind of, you know, my favorite thing, you
know, necessarily my favorite thing, but I'm gonna share with you Rhode Island's laws.
Again, caveat, we're not lawyers.
So Rhode Island has a law against concealing anything with a blade over three inches, and
they actually define blade length, not all places.
The other thing, the places that do define blade length are not always consistent with
the neighboring jurisdiction.
And not all places do define blade length, because they think, oh, maybe it's common
sense, the more you look at it, there's clearly no common sense or not even a consistent way
to measure things.
And this is a perfect example why?
So Rhode Island says blade length is determined by measuring from the end of the handle where
the blade is attached to the end of the blade.
And now I will share with you a knife that breaks their definition.
Let's say you want to carry something like an ESEE Izula, which unlike most folders out
there, and most other fixed blades, this whole genre of knife doesn't have any attached handle.
This is ostensibly a sub three inch blade se themselves list two and seven eighths of
an inch, which brings you a little bit past the tip of the finger guard here.
Sharpened edge itself is two and a half inches.
So logically, hey, that's a three inch blade, isn't it?
But where do we measure where the handle attaches?
Under the law, it's a little unclear.
So maybe we consider Hey, this finger guard that's part of the handle.
So right in front, right where you stop holding the knife.
Anything in front of that will say that's the blade in this case, great.
Is this definitive legal defense strategy?
We're not lawyers, again, absolutely not lost, I can defeat that with a pinch grip.
So yeah, this is just for illustrative purposes here.
Now, same blade shape as the Izula two.
Now what do we do now that we have these handle scales attached to it now we do have handle
scales, the blade itself did not change at all.
But if we measure from the leading edge of those handles scales up to the tip, we are
over three inches now.
Furthermore, it says you know where the handle or when we call it where the blade is attached?
Or sorry, the the end of the handle where the blade is attached?
Probably means the leading edge but it's attached right here where these bolts are, do we measure
back to there?
Either way,
we're over three inches now.
But what if I take the handle scales off?
Are we fine again?
I'm not sure what if we wrap it in paracord like we have this this ACTA non Verba p 100.
Right here is the paracord.
Now the handle, in which case this three inch blade, which you know, speck on this says
three inches and that's the sharpened edge in this case because there's no other logical
place to measure blade length here Now, do we have to go back to where the paracord is?
Or do we take the paracord off?
Or because the whole through the handle is back here?
That's where the paracord attaches?
Would that be it?
I don't know.
It's one of those tough things.
This is what keeps lawyers busy.
This is what keeps lawyers in their Mercedes 's and Rolls Royces and all of that.
Actually, no, because nice people don't have we don't have that kind of money to spend
usually do we?
I mean, I certainly don't know about lawyers.
I mean, we're dealing with a, a J body driver over here.
So clearly, it's beyond our budget.
I don't have a single car under the legal drinking age.
All that to say is, it's hard to know.
And it's hard to trust every spec you see on the internet, if you're able to get somebody
to actually measure a thing before you buy it.
Great.
I will tell you when we measure things here, and we try to measure everything we get, in
actuality, rather than relying on on all manufacturer's specs.
But we don't always get those those up to date as quickly as we would like either.
But when we do when we have measured a thing, we're going to give you the sharpened edge,
and we're going to give you a measurement from the tip to the leading edge of the handle.
Even though on our website, this still says 2.875 inches on this Izula too, because there's
common sense doesn't always fit into perfect categories.
I'm not sure how to end this question other than saying Hope that helps.
I mean, I think I did answer your question.
There is no standard way that all manufacturers measure it.
So this is kind of just a rant, I guess on the way knife laws don't keep up with reality
all the time.
Write to your delegates.
Support knife rights.
Donate there, I do.
Well, I can't tell you how to spend your money, but I liked that organization very much.
Shall we move on to our next question?
Might as well Oh wait, no, I have another thing here that breaks.
Forgot to talk about this Bestech This is the best tech goblin.
Here's the leading edge of the scales.
Here's the tip.
This is a quote unquote two inch knife.
It's cool two inch knife.
If we take I just have this clear Westcott ruler here and to think of the word, if we
hold the blade, kind of how naturally what feels like a straight line, then yes, we are
right about at two inches.
But we start rotating it this way.
I can get this to almost 2.3 inches long, depending on how you measure it.
Does it make sense common sense to measure it this way?
No.
But according to a letter of the law, I wouldn't want that to be my legal remedy either.