WITH THE FORMER NATIONAL
SECURITY ADVISOR JOHN BOLTON.
>> Dana: HAVE A GOOD TIME DOWN
THERE.
THANK YOU.
LET'S BRING IN TREY GOWDY,
FORMER HOUSE OVERSIGHT CHAIRMAN
AND FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR.
GREAT TO HAVE YOU.
LET ME START BY ASKING DO YOU
AGREE WITH THE WHITE HOUSE THAT
IT'S UNTENABLE FOR THE SPEAKER
TO HOLD THE ARTICLES OF
IMPEACHMENT AT THE HOUSE AND
NEVER SEND THEM TO THE SENATE?
>> IF HE REALLY IS AN
EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO THE
REPUBLIC, IF HE REALLY IS
COMMITTED CONDUCT THAT SHOULD
RESULT IN HIS REMOVAL FROM
OFFICE, THEN WHY WOULD YOU NOT
GO AHEAD AND SEND IT ON TO THE
SENATE?
THE CONSTITUTION GIVES THE HOUSE
NO ROLE IN DECIDING HOW THE
TRIAL TAKES PLACE.
IT'S EXCLUSIVELY WITHIN THE
PROVINCE OF THE SENATE.
I THINK MOST OF MY FELLOW
CITIZENS WILL SEE THROUGH THIS
LET'S HURRY UP AND IMPEACH HIM
AND THEN SIT ON THE INDICTMENT
FOR GOD KNOWS HOW LONG.
I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE SMART
ENOUGH TO SEE THROUGH IT.
>> Dana: ONE OF THE THINGS SHE
IS SAYING IS THAT THE SENATE AND
MITCH McCONNELL HAVE NOT
PROVEN THAT IT COULD BE A FAIR
TRIAL.
LISTEN TO SENATOR DICK DURBIN OF
ILLINOIS.
>> THINGS HAVE GONE TOO FAR.
HOW CAN THEY HOLD THEIR HANDS UP
AND SAY I SWEAR IMPARTIAL
JUSTICE THAN I WOULD LIKE TO SIT
AT THE MANAGERS TABLE WITH THE
PRESIDENT'S TEAM?
YOU CAN'T DO IT.
THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT.
>> Dana: MAJORITY LEADER
MITCH McCONNELL WAS OUT AND
ABOUT THIS MORNING AND THIS IS
WHAT HE HAD TO SAY.
>> ON THE IMPARTIALITY ISSUE, DO
YOU THINK CHUCK SCHUMER IS
IMPARTIAL?
DO YOU THINK ELSBETH WARREN IS
IMPARTIAL, BERNIE SANDERS?
LET'S QUIT THE CHARADE.
IT'S A POLITICAL EXERCISE.
POLITICAL EXERCISE.
ALL I'M ASKING OF SCHUMER IS
THAT WE TREAT TRUMP THE SAME WAY
WE TREATED CLINTON.
>> Dana: ONE OF THE PROBLEMS
IN ALL OF THIS IS THE LANGUAGE
IS THE SAME.
YOU'VE TRIED CASES IN COURTROOMS
WHERE THE TRIAL LOOKS VERY
DIFFERENT FROM WHAT A SENATE
TRIAL WOULD LOOK LIKE.
>> I WISH THIS WERE A JUDICIAL
PROCEEDING BUT KEEP IN MIND IF
IT WERE, ADAM SCHIFF WOULD NOT
OF BEEN LEADING THE
INVESTIGATION.
60 HOUSE DEMOCRATS WOULDN'T HAVE
MADE UP THEIR MINDS FOR THE
FIRST SYLLABLE OF THE MUELLER
REPORT.
ERIC SWALWELL INVESTIGATING THE
PRESIDENT WHILE HE WAS TRYING TO
BECOME THE PRESIDENT.
YOU WOULD NEVER HAVE THAT IN A
REAL JUDICIAL PROCEEDING.
I WISH IT WERE LIKE A JUDICIAL
PROCEEDING.
IT'S NOT.
THE JURY HAS ALREADY MADE UP ITS
MIND.
EVEN DICK DURBIN WHO IS NOW
CALLING FOR IMPARTIALITY, HAS
ALREADY PASSED JUDGMENT ON THE
CREDIBILITY THE WITNESSES.
HE SAID THE PRESIDENT CONDUCT
WAS BENEATH THE DIGNITY OF THE
OFFICE AND HE WAS INCREDIBLE HE
TROUBLED BY IT.
THAT DOES NOT SOUND LIKE AN
IMPARTIAL, OBJECTIVE,
DISPASSIONATE JUROR.
HOW MANY OF THE SENATORS, HOW
MANY MEMBERS OF THE JURY ARE
ACTUALLY RUNNING TO TAKE
DONALD TRUMP'S JOB?
HE WOULD NEVER HAVE THAT IN A
REAL JUDICIAL PROCEEDING.
MITCH McCONNELL IS RIGHT.
THIS IS A POLITICAL TRIAL, NOT A
JUDICIAL TRIAL.
IF IT WERE A JUDICIAL TRIAL,
NONE OF WHAT'S HAPPENED UP TO
THIS POINT ROAD TAKEN PLACE.
>> Dana: WE HAD THE HOROWITZ
REPORT.
VERY CRITICAL OF THE FBI AND
PUTTING IN DOUBT THE FUTURE OF
FISA AND THE FISA COURT.
TAKE A LISTEN TO LINDSEY GRAHAM
YESTERDAY ON THAT ISSUE.
>> WE ARE GOING TO LOOK LONG AND
HARD AT FISA ABUSE.
WE ARE GOING TO PASS LAWS TO
MAKE SURE THIS NEVER HAPPENS
AGAIN.
ACCOUNTABILITY WILL ONLY BE
SUCCESSFUL IF SOMEBODY GETS
FIRED AND I AM LOOKING AT
CHRISTOPHER WRAY TO FIRE
SOMEBODY AT THE FBI.
SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GO TO JAIL AND
I'M LOOKING AT DURHAM THE WHOLE
PEOPLE CRIMINALLY ACCOUNTABLE
FOR THE LOSS THEY BROKE.
>> Dana: WHAT DO YOU THINK OF
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO FISA?
DO YOU THINK IT'S STILL A
NECESSARY TOOL FOR
LAW ENFORCEMENT?
>> I DO THINK IT'S A NECESSARY
TOOL.
I THINK THE POLICIES ARE ONLY AS
GOOD AS THE PEOPLE IMPLEMENTING
THEM.
2018 HOUSE REPUBLICANS WROTE THE
FISA COURT AND WE ALSO RAISED
ISSUES WITH THE PROCESS.
THE D.C. MEDIA SAID IN THERE,
THE CRAZY HOUSE REPUBLICANS HAVE
A PROBLEM WITH FISA.
DONALD TRUMP ON THE MORNING WE
WERE GOING TO VOTE TO
REAUTHORIZE THE SURVEILLANCE
PROGRAM SENT OUT A VERY NEGATIVE
TWEET WHICH REQUIRED POMPEO TO
RUN TO THE WHITE HOUSE AND TRY
TO FIX IT.
THE REPUBLICANS ARE ALREADY
SKITTISH ABOUT THE SURVEILLANCE
PROGRAMS.
IF THE COURT AND THE MEDIA AND
THE DEMOCRATS DO NOT TAKE
HORWITZ'S REPORT SERIOUSLY.
LINDSEY GRAHAM MAY BE THE MOST
HAWKISH MEMBER OF THE SENATE
WHEN IT COMES TO NATIONAL
SECURITY.
IF HE IS TROUBLED BY IT, THEN
IMAGINE WHERE RAND PAUL AND SOME
OF THE OTHER REPUBLICANS.
>> Dana: LET'S GET YOUR
THOUGHTS ABOUT JOHN DURHAM, U.S.
ATTORNEY TASKED WITH THE OVERALL
REPORT OF THE WHOLE RUSSIA
INVESTIGATION AND HOW IT BEGAN.
HE DOESN'T JUST LOOK AT DOJ.
HE LOOKS ACROSS THE BOARD AT THE
INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES AND MORE.
THERE'S AN ARTICLE IN
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" TODAY
BASICALLY QUESTIONING SHOULD
HAVE WAITED ON THE HOROWITZ
REPORT AND ATTORNEY KEVIN
O'CONNOR, YOU MIGHT KNOW HIM.
HE IS FROM CONNECTICUT.
HE SAID IT'S FAIR TO
CHARACTERIZE WHAT JOHN DURHAM
DID AS UNUSUAL IN TERMS OF ITS
PAST PRACTICE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RATIONALE
WAS BUT I KNOW JOHN WELL ENOUGH
TO KNOW HE DID IT BECAUSE HE,
NOT THE AG OR ANYONE ELSE,
THOUGHT HE HAD AN OBLIGATION TO.
THIS WAS WHEN DURHAM SAID I
DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE OR DON'T
AGREE WITH THE CONCLUSIONS OF
THE HOROWITZ REPORT HE WANTED TO
GET THAT OUT THERE.
YOUR THOUGHTS.
>> I THINK PROSECUTORS ARE IN A
TOUGH SPOT.
YOU WANT TO MAINTAIN
CONFIDENTIALITY OF YOUR
INVESTIGATION WHICH YOU CAN
ALLOW SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO
PERSUADE THE PUBLIC TO BE
IMPRINTED IN THEIR CONSCIOUSNESS
BEFORE YOU ISSUE THE REPORT.
IT'S A CLOSE CALL.
KEEP IN MIND HORWITZ, BARR, AND
DURHAM.
THE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT THEY ARE
STAYING IS MEASURED IN INCHES,
NOT YARDS.
ORAL WEIGHTS SAYING THERE WAS
ENOUGH TO LAUNCH A FULL
INVESTIGATION.
DURHAM IS SAYING IT WAS ENOUGH
TO START A LIMITED INVESTIGATION
BUT NOT THE FULL INVESTIGATION
AND BARR IS SAYING I'M NOT SURE
IT WAS ENOUGH TO DO THAT.
THIS IS A DRUNKEN CONVERSATION
IN A BAR.
THE THRESHOLD TO START AN
INVESTIGATION IS EXCEEDINGLY
LOW.
THESE THREE GUYS ALL OF WHOM I
HAVE RESPECT FOR OUR JUST
VIEWING IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY
ON WHETHER OR NOT THE PAUCITY OF
EVIDENCE WAS ENOUGH TO DO WHAT
THEY DID.
>> Dana: BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I
UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU MEANT ABOUT
BEING MEASURED IN INCHES AND NOT
YARDS.
IT IS FOOTBALL SEASON AFTER ALL