hey pc world fans adam here with gordon and at ces 2022 amd finally revealed its ryzen
with v cash part it's the ryzen 7 5800 x 3d it's just one part and gordon's going to go over the
details of what that part is but we got a lot of questions during the our past videos of gordon why
is amd not making a ryzen 9 5950x or gordon why isn't amd making a ryzen 5 39 56 100 x 3d
so gordon first go over the 5800x3d tell me what it is uh and and why it's exciting so what we're
getting is the ryzen 7 50 800 x 3d eight core 16 thread 4.5 gigahertz boost 32 megs of 2d cash
and 64 megabytes of vcash that is cash that is stacked on top of the the processor super fast
over what we've seen previously and sort of extra cash versions basically gives it the equivalent of
30 uh 96 megabytes of l3 cache 105 tdp works in amd 400 series and 500 series motherboards
but we saw no other ones we're not seeing a ryzen 5 uh 5600x 3d we're not seeing a ryzen 9 5950x 3d
or the 12 core ryzen 9 5900 x 3d and people are incensed gordon why would they not do that yeah so
you can one you can go back and check out a video we just did with amd's robert hallett and
frank azor talking about why they decided only at this point to put v cash on one eight quart ship
i know a lot of people assume there's may you know it's only one thing but there are many reasons
it looks like it's because no surprise cpus are designed to make a business
money they basically are making a cpu aimed solely at gamers because amd has said you know
what this cash thing works great for games in fact for the ryzen 7 5800 x 3d with the v cash
amd says it's actually the world's best worlds let me just say that again the world's fastest
gaming cpu that's a big deal because what they're saying is the ryzen 7 will be faster in gaming
and tied with intel's far more expensive core i9 12900k alder lake chip wow right
so basically they're saying the cache really does great things for games
maybe not help some of the other applications you're going to use say like photoshop or
chrome or or word where you might need all that performance so they're they're putting in on one
part that's going to help gamers the most they think that's that's the chip that games will
want the single cct because remember the amd ryzens are made up of multiple chips
for the ryzen 9 so the ryzen 9s do two ccds they have two eight core or two six core ccd's
the ryzen 7 8 core is a single eight core ccd and of course people were like well why not just
stack that cache onto those other ones won't that help those two uh maybe a little bit but
amd has sort of looked at some of the math and they said well we think the best game right now
is on this part because remember this cash stacked directly on top of that cpu die it
means it doesn't have to go that far if you have cash on one die here you have cash on one die here
if this one has to get to the other one now you have an extra a length to go to you sort of eat
that extra latency it's probably not worth it we don't of course there hasn't they haven't
said they'll never do it but my guess is they sort of see the opportunity to make the world's
best gaming cpu in this sole part yeah but the the 5600 x is just one ccd so that that doesn't apply
there so why not make a 5600 x 3d yeah so that's a good argument um i i would probably say well
um when i this analogy works really well when i pay for my airline ticket i don't get to board
because i buy the cheap seat because my company doesn't let me fly first class i don't get on
board with first class generally companies want to make money if they put this remember this
is a brand new tsmc stacked dye technology it's not cheap you're adding cost to a cpu
so you want to make a little more money because you now have to pay for the cash
you are stacking on that ryzen 5 5600 is lower lower price than the ryzen 7 uh 5800
if you add it there and you don't have it on the 5800 you're probably not going to make
the money back so this really is looks like mostly a business decision because
you you can't buy the cheap thing and expect the very best service as an option generally
you're gonna have to pay a little more that's kind of the world we live in i get the feeling
that's what they're doing here ryzen 7 5800 x 3d is again more expensive than 50 600 the ryzen 5
but doesn't go all the way as far as the ryzen 9. so it's mostly a business decision and but again
they have to be able to charge enough but also charge less than intel's core i9 because they
really want to knock off that core i9 because they know everybody's motivating when you go to the
store that person that blues shirt there's some blue on here somewhere they tell you look this
is the world's best gaming cpu and you're gonna be like hold on that's enough give me that one that's
what works on people and that's what they're doing with this all right so but but you're saying with
the 59 50x there might be a technical limitation with the 5600x it's not necessarily a technical
decision so it's probably more likely if they were to bring another 3d part that would be 5600x
i suppose when i go to the airport i might be able to sneak in with first class i don't think
that's going to happen when you get when you in fact when you see first-class kids on that plane
they make you wait intentionally five minutes just to make you feel worse because you didn't
pay for it generally you can't be you can't be pay for the seats all the way at the top
of the stadium and expect to sit in the front row that's just the world that way i mean maybe amd's
going to go like yeah we want to give this to everybody and not make any money to but
generally they like to make money because that's how they pay for new things so i don't think so
maybe if they do it possibly uh maybe we'll see i think we're gonna see i think this is this part
if they can pull off pull it off and like be the world's best gaming cpu world's fastest gaming cpu
that itself is worth it just to be there all right and the last question i have uh is does this mean
that you think when am uh five comes out with the ryzen 6000 whatever it's going to be called
uh that will be all v cash across the whole line is this is v cash here to stay across everything
i think it's clear that amd makes its decisions on cpus everything from
process to packaging to you know how many cores how many parts they base that on what makes the
most sense based on the landscape that they launch in so i think we really have to see
where it's it's an option they're going to keep in the toolbox whether they can afford to use
that uh tool in the toolbox or whether it makes sense to use that toolbox will depend very much
on where intel is in the second half this year zen four comes out second half this year intel
supposedly says we got raptor lake our you know could be 13th gen cpu running windows already
so it may or may not make sense to have a v cache version of zenfore or maybe it makes sense to have
a v cash version of zen five we don't know yet it's it's clear nobody knows except for amd and
it's possible they don't even know yet because they don't know what intel's doing
all right cool well thank you for uh letting me know why there's no 3d v cache on the 5600x or
the 5950x it doesn't make me more less angry that they're not doing it yes yes you got one checked
in the night before instead of burning at the end like me on southwest but then i would have to have
woken up early to check in with everyone true all right cool thank you gordon thank you everybody
for watching uh be sure to subscribe for more uh of these fun uh pc videos we'll talk to you later
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