Speaker 1: I want to look at them just to kind of a I don't want to say this is the final kind
of coda on this story, but we're kind of closing the loop on this classified documents thing that
we've been covering regarding Donald Trump. Glenn Kirschner, a legal analyst, said on MSNBC that
Donald Trump is facing a five year felony over the classified documents scandal. As you now may know,
we've covered it a couple of times. Donald Trump did indeed take classified documents to Mar a Lago
to his house. Those were since recovered by the National Archives, and the full story has
been turned over to the Justice Department for a criminal investigation. Here is Glenn Kirschner
appearing on MSNBC, talking about the legal liability here. And remember, faces five years
is very different than something will happen. Speaker 4: But let's listen. Glenn,
the judge's ruling says quote to deny a president immunity from civil damages is no small step.
The court well understands the gravity of its decision. But the alleged facts of this case
are without precedent. Your reaction? My reaction is Donald Trump may be reaching the
end of his rope, I agree with Paul that there is, I think, a hesitation among prosecutors,
both state and federal. Nobody wants to be the first one to charge a former president
who's committed any number of crimes. I predict Jonathan, once the first brave
prosecutor who has the evidence to indict Donald Trump, brings that indictment. Everybody's
going to want to be the second prosecutor. Speaker 1: So that's that's interesting first
and foremost because we've been talking about this. I guess we might say hesitation to kind
of crossed the Rubicon because there's this again, it's not a policy. It's sort of just like a, um,
an unspoken agreement. I don't even know what to call it. There's this tradition of not charging
American presidents, current or former. But this is a unique circumstance in that there are so many
different reasons why Trump might get charged. But yet I think Kirchner is right. Kushner is often
hyperbolic. He's made predictions that haven't come true, so I think that all with a grain of
salt. There is some degree to which it makes sense that no one prosecutor would want to be the first
to charge a former president. Then let's move on to where he talks about the five year felony.
Speaker 4: Glenn switching topics just a little bit. How can the Jan. six committee use the
information that Donald Trump took classified documents to further its investigation? Yeah,
that is a five year felony, the National Archives has reported and referred to the Department of
Justice for investigation. The fact that Donald Trump removed classified national security
information from the White House and he whisk it away to Mar a Lago. Jonathan, if that were you or
me or Paul, you can bet we'd already be indicted. Speaker 1: Now that part is absolutely true for a
number of the different things Trump has done. Normal people so-called would absolutely have
been indicted already, but again faces a five year felony is very different than anything
is likely to happen. I would love it if the evidence points to charges and a conviction
for Trump. I would love for that to happen if that's what due process determines. But I
still do not believe Trump will see any jail or prison time period wake me up when he actually
faces some consequences. He's been dodging all sorts of legal entanglements for. I mean, listen,
certainly the five six years since he started running for president, but even longer than that,
when you consider the Trump Organization and at a sort of basic gut check level, think about the
absurdity of Trump as president has the ability to declassify anything he wants. He could have
just declassified the stuff that he wanted to take. He doesn't. And instead, he just takes
it without declassifying it. And now he has stolen classified documents. The most logical explanation
that I've seen is the documents are worth more still classified. They're worth more money. But
that's a crazy explanation. But it's also the most reasonable explanation
in the sense that what Trump did doesn't make any sense. Will he face consequences? I doubt it.
But there are now multiple criminal and civil investigations Georgia,
New York Justice Department looking at the documents. The stuff with the Trump
Organization. And the misstatement of the values of assets. This it's going to be years. And
maybe Trump's best bet at getting out from under all of it is to run for president in 2024 and win,
which is yet another reason why we have to be prepared for him to try to do that again.