>> A Ukrainian passenger jet crash shortly after takeoff from Tehran on Wednesday this
week.
And now there's some suspicion based on intelligence coming from the Western countries indicating
that it could have accidentally been shot down by Iran.
Now, this is a devastating story regardless of how this happened, why this happened, about
170 people were on board, 79 of them were Iranian, 63 were Canadian and 11 were Ukrainian
including 9 crew members.
There were also ten Swedish individuals, seven Afghans and three people from the UK on as
well.
So 176 fatalities, people are trying to figure out what's going on and when the story first
broke, it appeared that there was no connection with escalating tensions between the United
States and Iran.
And remember, Iran had attacked two US bases in Iraq using missile strikes, but this passenger
jet crashed an hour later.
So there was some reason to believe that it had nothing to do with what the Iranians were
doing.
But now, and I want you to be skeptical, because nothing is confirmed at the moment, the story's
still developing.
Now there are some intelligence officials here in the United States who are arguing
that Iran might have accidentally shut it down.
So let me give you the details.
First, the London based firm IHS Markit.
Said in a memo that it assessed that the Ukrainian International Airlines Boeing 737-800, was
likely to have been shot down mistakenly by the IR-GC operated SA-15 missile.
It cited the images circulating on social media that purported to show debris from a
Russian made Tor-M1 missile.
Known to be possessed by the Revolutionary Guard scattered near the crash site.
Now that image has been shown all over social media.
It hasn't been verified yet and I feel uncomfortable saying that this is the missiles.
It was definitely a missile attack.
Again, hasn't been verified and the Iranians are denying that they did this.
Also, I wanna just quickly note, it could not confirm the authenticity of the images
but said it assessed them to be credible.
Now with that said, this is what the images so if you see this online, just understand
that this is not a confirmation that Iran was behind the crash.
But you should just know this is what's going on around social media.
This is the image that people are looking at.
Officials also told US media that they had identified the signature from an Iranian anti-aircraft
missile battery being activated shortly before the aircraft crashed into countryside southwest
of the Iranian capital killing all 176 on board.
So look, before I get into what we're hearing from the Iranian government, I wanted to get
your thoughts John, am I wrong to be overly skeptical about what we're hearing from Canada
from the United States from from the UK.
>> Well, I think that you should be skeptical about what in particular, I think there's
many things to potentially be skeptical about.
There's a lot of potential possibilities.
It could be mechanical or non mechanical.
If non mechanical, it could be an attack.
If an attack it could be a non state actor or a state actor.
If a state actor it could be the US or Iran or some other Body.
I think everybody, most people were trying to be very responsible the night of the attacks
on those two bases.
I saw the initial news about the plane, but I think everyone was suspicious because the
timing was very suspicious.
>> I mean, >> The plane had just gone through its maintenance
a couple of days earlier.
Planes do not frequently crash immediately after takeoff.
It does happen.
Generally it doesn't happen right at the site of an interstate conflict.
And so people were questioning that, but none of that means that one actor in particular
is responsible.
>> Right so, if you're looking for some clarity from US President Donald Trump have no fears.
I have a statement from him about this.
He said someone could have made a mistake on the other side.
Some people say it was mechanical.
I personally don't think that's even a question.
I have a feeling that something very terrible happened.
>> Well, to be fair, he doesn't know what to think yet because he hasn't read what to
think on Alex Jones or Breitbart.
>> Or hasn't seen what's the thing on Fox News.
Now the UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson had earlier called for a full investigation following
a telephone conversation with the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskiy.
Specifically, according to Iran Civil Aviation Organization, it is impossible that a missile
hit the Ukrainian plane And such rumors are logical and they're claiming that they have
evidence to show that the plane, the pilot realized that there were a possible mechanical
issues and that the pilot wanted to turn around.
And so if they have that evidence they should provide it.
The black box, by the way was recovered.
And so yeah, there shouldn't be a full investigation regardless of what the accusations are even
if Iran weren't being accused of doing anything wrong.
We should know what happened with that flight.
>> Well, we should know what the evidence is, but also what the evidence represents
the fact that the plane started to turn does it prove anything.
>> Right.
>> About what actually caused it to initially catch fire.
But again, there's no reason to jump into believing anyone explanation.
I will say cuz I know we're going to talk a little bit later about the the briefing
that lawmakers received yesterday.
What you read earlier about the the radar blip of the anti air battery that's already
more specific intelligence than we've gotten that supposedly lead to Qasem Soleimani death
>> 100% exactly.
>> Tiny little bit.
>> But look if there is reason to believe that these are casualties from Donald Trump's
irrational decision to take down Iran's top military general, people should be aware of
that people should understand that there are consequences to military aggression, to any
type of conflict that escalates to the point that we experienced over the last week.
And one other thing that I wanted to note is that Justin Trudeau felt the need to speak
out about this because so many Canadians lost their lives on that plane.
So let's hear a quick statement from Trudeau.
>> The news will undoubtedly come as a further shock to the families who are already grieving
in the face of this unspeakable tragedy.
We have intelligence from multiple sources, including our allies and our own intelligence.
The evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by an Iranian surface to air missile.
This may well have been unintentional.
This new information reinforces the need for a thorough investigation into this matter.
Canada is working with its allies to ensure that a thorough and credible investigation
is conducted to determine the causes of this fatal crash.
>> One of our members Dell wrote in and said, Good evening, everyone sad day.
It was surreal watching my Prime Minister Trudeau tell Canadians that the plane killed.
The plane that killed 63 of our fellow Canadians and many others was very likely shot down
heartbreaking and frightening there is a lot of anger here toward Americans and the Trump
administration I'm an American Canadian this is very strange times.
Look I agree with you and We've been very critical of the Trump administration because
there are consequences.
Again, we don't know for sure what happened with that plane crash.
But regardless, there are consequences to the actions that Trump took.
And if this is related to that, I hope that people around the world understand the gravity
of military action and any type of military aggression against another country.
>> Well, I happen to see I was on Twitter before the show started, I saw one of our
Tom's of Waukee tweeted in a tweet from Marco Rubio saying it's just a matter of time before
you start hearing.
Some say that it's Trump's fault that Iran made a mistake and shot down a commercial
airliner.
So we don't know if the official story that we're hearing right now is accurate, but if
it's accurate, they're related.
>> Right.
>> Unrelated, when they killed Solemani, and we said they'd created an incredibly tense,
dangerous situation.
We didn't just mean because Iranian and American tanks could meet on the border.
We meant that they created a dangerous situation.
Now, is he the most responsible one?
No, the person that fired the missile is more responsible, but it is simply nonsense to
say that if Donald Trump hadn't decided purely on his own to take out Soleimani, that this
would not have happened.
That is simply true.
That is an indisputable fact.
>> Right and as we know, the Trump administration did decide unilaterally to take out Iran's
top military general and that is actually caused a rift between Republican senators
which is a huge story today.
And so I want to talk about that a little bit, but just keep in mind there are some
people who understand the gravity and the consequences that come along with what Trump
did.
And we need to take this upcoming election.
I know that we already have but consider all of this as you think about who you're gonna
vote for.
We need to get him out.
He is irresponsible.
He's irrational.
He's ignorant.
He's hateful, every imaginable thing and even if you happen to be a Trump supporter who
never bought into the fact that he's a terrible, hateful guy, you have to at least acknowledge
the fact that he shoots from the hip he's overly emotional.
He's full of rage one moment and then all of a sudden pretending to be super happy the
next.
He's completely influenced based on who he talked to last you never know what he's going
to do next.
You can't have someone this ignorant running the country because at some point he could
get us involved.
I mean, and I want to be very clear about how we covered his address yesterday.
No one here is giving him credit for de-escalating anything okay?
What he did could have led to a full blown war.
And he always does this, he always escalates tensions, he did that with North Korea.
And then he tries to de-escalate and take credit for that, he gets no credit, okay?
He's a dangerous person, he should not be leading
this country.