Mr. Fisher? Hello. We're gonna have you go right in this room, sir, and have a seat right back there. "Over there?" Yes sir. Thank you. How you doing, sir? "Good, you?" Good
I'm detective Lou Parry with the Sheriff's Office this is a partner of mine, Agent Velshay. We're sorry you were sitting there so long there. "That's OK, I was just..."
"What's that mean?" Just who I am. "It was mainly the handcuffed ride was the worst part." Was it? "Yeah I got back trouble, partially disabled and.. " Ah, I'm sorry, I apologize.
"It's all good." Hope it wasn't too far. How far did you come from? "Correction Marriott. So it wasn't too bad"
I don't want to leave too much suspense there all right I want to sit down and talk with you
and at least kind of what you know what's going on and fill you in and I don't want to hold any
punches from you or anything like that. Just a couple ground rules we got to get off quick. You
obviously know we're a police station right now. "Yeah." Okay, so, uh, everything in here is audio/video
recorded and that's for your safety and ours, okay. I'm going to use a separate recorder here it's
ah just so I can not take as many notes. Fair enough? "Yeah." Secondly, without obviously as you understand we
got advise you of your rights, okay? You're not in handcuffs anymore, okay, right now you're obviously
not free to leave because you're the police station. "Sure." But at this time you're not under arrest
It make sense? "Yeah." So I'm gonna read these rights to you real quick we'll get those out of the way
and then like I said we'll have a conversation here okay? "Okay." So have you had your rights read to you
before? "Yes." Okay so I'm gonna read along with you here but I'm gonna I'll sign I'm gonna ask you to
sign them at the end, all right. Before you're asked any questions, you must understand your rights
Number one, you have the right to remain silent. Number two, anything you say can used against you
in the court. Number three, you have the right of this time to talk to a lawyer before we ask you
any questions and have him present with you why are you being questioned. If you cannot
afford to hire a lawyer the court will appoint before any questioning. Okay, you understand at any
point in time you can invoke these, okay? "Yeah." But I'm going to sign right here and I'll ask you to sign
it next to mine okay, it stating obviously you've read them or I read them to you or both
And if you just want to print your name right below that which doesn't name printed
So there's a couple basics here real quick it is okay if I call you Earl? "Yes"
"That's my name." And your last name is Fisher. "Yes." Can you spell that for me? "F-I-S-H-E-R" Excellent
What's your date of birth? "I'm a Junior." You're a junior? "Yes, sir." I didn't know that, what's the date birth, please sir? "Janu... [Redacted]
And what's that yeah I know they have your address but for me what's your address you... [Redacted]
And that's in Portland? What is a cell phone number for you, sir? In case I need to get a hold of you later
[Redacted]
And that's your cell phone? "Yes." You're the one who answers that if we got to get any questions for you
later I gotta get hold you? "Yep." No one else answers that? "My could possibly answer it, maybe, if I'm asleep or something." Oh, OK. But it's your phone. "It's my cell phone, yes."
That's excellent. How long've you had that? "Oh, hard to tell, years?" Long time? "Long time." That's an easy number, I wouldn't get rid of that.
So, ah, obviously, we want to talk you about a couple things. I think Agent Velshay had some questions for you or some basics and and like I said I won't
anything back what kind of feeling. "How about telling me why I'm here?" Yeah, I'll explain that.
We'll get to that real quick here, just a few minutes but just kind of break the ice here, obviously you're a member
Gypsy Joker Motorcycle Club? "Yes." I've been doing investigations on your club for a number
of years so I know a lot of things about the Gypsy Jokers I may even have incarcerated a few of your
brothers. You've been in for about how long now? "Like, seven years I think maybe." I actually saw your booking from Utah. "Yeah."
With the Rainbow Coalition. "Yeah." That sounded like that was a pretty wild event. "I, ah, dunno."
"I never even made it up to the place."
What... I'm just curious, what happened? "I don't know, a couple of guys, one of the guys broke down on the side of the road and we sat down to work on his bike
"The next thing you know we're leaving and get pulled over."
I heard already all rolled in there and then they got mad cuz they didn't like motorcycles or
something because they're like very green and at some point they actually started like flinging poo
"I never even seen them hippies."
"That's why I didn't understand why I got pulled over. I'm like why you stopping me? What did I do wrong?
"Did I speed down this washboard road that you can't do over 10 miles an hour on on your motorcycle?"
In one of the photos I noticed you had a Small Simon, I know that's a five-year patch. "Yeah."
I knew you'd been at least for five yeahs. "Uh-huh." So I assumed you were somewhere between five
and ten. "Yeah, uh-huh." OK, have you been VP the majority of that time? "Nope." Or is it more of a recent thing. "Recently. Okay
How long have you been VP? "Ohhh, a year, maybe two." A year or two, oh, OK. And Mark's your P. "Yeah." Chad's your sergeant-at-arms
"Ahhhh..." Don't know? Don't want to tell me? I knew Jason. And I'm sorry for the loss of Jason. "It's a helluva loss there, a good friend of mine. I knew Jason for a long time."
I know at that point he was the National sergeant-at-arms, I just assumed Chad
would take over as national sergeant-at-arms because they were pretty close. You know, like I said, I know some
things about your club obviously I'm not here to bullshit you, and I expect that you don't bullshit me
you know obviously you're here in the predicament here that you are but I understand the club life
I understand some of the things that might be going through your mind right now and and I to
a degree empathize with you over that and we're going to be getting into some of the details here
of why we're here but I just want you to know I understand where you may be coming from and
the rock and the hard place you may be feeling that you're in so I just want you to know I get
that okay and you're in a very... this is this is real, this is serious, and I think you know that
"Like I said, I still don't know why I'm here."
Let me help you with that.
I'm gonna be respectful to you. "I've been as law abiding as any of ya." No, I get it, I get it. So, like I said, I want to be respectful to you I don't want to
play the cat-and-mouse game I know you probably have run-ins with the police before. "Yes." I'm
going to do something that probably most police officers don't do, okay, and I'm going to kind of
fill you in on some stuff, okay, so the first thing I'll do let me give you a little bit, let me help you out
here. Fill you in on why we're here what we want to talk about and, like I said, be respectful to
you and let me show you you know that we're not sitting here playing games with you, fair enough? "Yeah."
Awesome. So I want to talk to you about a guy named, well, he goes by "Bagger Bob." "Yeah."
First and foremost, obviously, I'm sure you know who he is but the reason I want to talk to you as
obviously, as we all know, he died a while back, okay, so we've been investigating that. We've
talked to a lot of people, okay. We've done a lot of homework — not necessarily myself but a lot of
people have. We've been running grand juries here, people have gone to grand juries today yesterday
As you can probably imagine, it's late in the day, we are waiting for you to get moving but a lot
of people have moved before you, meaning that a lot of people have already been in the same
seat and are being talked to as we speak. "Uh huh." Okay? And like I said, I'm gonna throw you a bone. I'm
going to be perfectly respectful and honest to you and all I ask is that you do the same with
me, okay? I know where you, or I've been at least advised by people much more educated than I, kind
of where you fall in, okay, into the ranks here. I know that not everything comes from your seat
okay, I get that, I'm more in the same position, okay, especially myself. You know, like I said I want to
throw you a bone. I know when the incident went down I know that you left your house and when you came
back to your house. I know you picked up Mark. I know you drove to Holliday, I know you dropped
Mark back off. I know you drove north. I'm trying to show you some credit here and show you that
I'm not bluffing you. "Mmm-mm." I'm not screwing with you I'm not disrespecting you. Obviously, as you can see
we've talked to people. I'm not gonna lie to you, people have given you up and I'm going to be perfectly
honest with you and tell you that I don't think it came from you. "Mmm-mm." Okay, based on people smarter than I
Based on evidence. I don't, but I don't want to see you sitting in that seat and taking the wrath of
everyone pointing the finger. That's why we're here, my man. I'm honest with you. "Yeah." Okay, not bullshitting
as you probably see. "Mmm-mm." So, it's not about you helping us today, okay. I'm serious, it's about you helping
yourself. You got other people I think that need you more than people that are are sitting under these
rooms right now, because as I'm talking to you. I didn't just find this stuff out. As you probably
know inside, I didn't make it up because it's true, what I just said. You're with me? "Mmm-hm." That's why we're
sitting here today. "K." Okay? Let's start with some basics real quick: How do you know Bagger Bob?
"He was a member of our club for a while." OK.
What happened? "Ahh..." And again... "He got kicked out." Okay, what what's the deal? I guess IV use? That's
what I'm gathering. "Yeah." Okay, was he stealing too? "I couldn't tell you for sure." Okay. Hypothesize? "Uh, I don't know." I mean some guys don't told
everything, man." Okay. What's that? "Some guys don't get told everything." Ah, okay, I get it, I get it. So
I guess when I ask you some of these questions I don't want you to tell me anything you don't
know, but if it's something you hear, fill me in on that and say this is something that's a rumor
Okay. so I'll take it with a grain of salt. "Sure." But just to kind of — you're with me? "Mmm-hm." Let me just add one thing, like I
said I'm not gonna bullshit you please do not bull shit me — and I know as vice-president you are going
to know why he got kicked out. "I know a lot less than you think I do." You know what? I know you know
a lot, okay, so just do us that courtesy. "Sure." If you don't want to answer the question that's one thing but don't...
"Look, I don't know. I mean, I heard he was using drugs, heroin or something like that, and that's about all I know about it, know what I mean?"
OK, so obviously he gets kicked out, roughly when is that? "Couple years maybe, two years maybe?" Okay
"I mean my memory is so f'ed up from..." I get it. "You know what I mean? I fell off a roof and I got
really bad memory loss shit, so, I mean, if he asked what I was doing last weekend, its gonna have to be pretty big because I can't
really nail it all down for you." Yeah yeah, well, I'm in the same boat you are. I can't remember either. "Huh?" What happened to your eye?
"I'm blind in my eye since falling off a roof." Oh, that's how you hurt your back? "Yes." Okay. "That's
why I'm partially disabled in my leg." And then you also got stabbed in the neck. "Yeah, I got my throat cut from here to here."
Back in 2011? "Ahhhh...Ffff... Something like that."
You said, was it ear-to-ear? "It's from here to here." Oh, oh my God. "Starts right here, about my Adam's apple and goes back to right here somewhere." Okay.
You're lucky you lived. "Yes, I am." Wow.
So, he gets kicked out and then we fast-forward to a period several... or about a month prior to
his death where he decides to do something to someone in the club from what I understand or
someone in their family. What do you know about that. "Very little. I mean you guys know more than I do."
Well, I don't know about that. "I'm probably going to need a lawyer, man. I think I'll invoke that right at this point, I think." Okay. Perfect. Have you have
any other questions for me? "No, man." Okay. All right, why don't you just stay put here. "OK." And someone will be
back in with you in a few minutes. "Thanks." Thank you, sir, I appreciate — you need more water? "Ah, that'd be great, man."
Okay, let me get that facilitated for you. I'll take your cup from you and load you up. Need anything else in the meantime, Earl?
"Ahh, nope." You're OK? "Yup." All right, man. "A couple Vicodin would be nice if you got any of those." Hahaha, I don't know that I have, but I'll look around, alright. "Haha."