- Just.
- Don't move.
(gun shot)
- Dad, please.
- I warned you, I beep warned you.
- [Ron] See he's sick.
- Oh, he's sick and shot now.
- [Ron] I know.
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- [Host] Welcome to First Person Defender
where regular people come face
to face with unknown attackers.
- Sir, no, no ,no ,no
- Drop the gun sir, drop the gun.
Drop it, drop the gun.
- Drop the gun.
(gun shots)
- [Host] And fight their way out.
This is First Person Defender.
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- Imagine multiple bad guys, bursts through your front door.
You're sitting on your couch, what do you do?
How do you deal with that difficult situation?
We'll find out right now, on First Person Defender.
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- [Host] These force on force scenarios, use training guns
that fire non-lethal projectiles.
- I've been carrying a gun off to Nome,
for about forty some odd years.
And fortunately I've never had, a situation
where I felt like I needed to, pull a gun
and I keep one on me most of the time.
And I got some strategically, placed around the house.
Again, it's just being aware.
I'm not paranoid, I'm not,
you know, looking over my shoulder every time I turn around
but I also am not naive.
- Ron seems like a typical concealed carry guy.
He's been around guns all his life.
He carries a gun.
Most of the time, he takes it seriously.
He understands his role.
He's trained himself.
His wife is trained.
He's bringing his son up in the right direction, lately
we've been seeing home invasions, with more than one person.
And, we've got a little scenario set up for him.
There's gonna be a home invasion.
There's gonna be multiple people.
We're gonna have some people come to the front door.
His son's gonna answer the door,
and it's gonna be a break in.
And then, it's gonna be an invasion.
There's gonna be some gunfire, and some threatening.
I'm not sure how it's all going
to play out the very first time.
But it's so important to, when you do carry guns
with your family, that you have a game plan.
They have to know what to expect
from you should something bad happen.
- [Host] Ron and his son are enjoying an
afternoon watching some TV,
when they're interrupted by the doorbell.
What happens next is fast and violent.
Does Ron have the speed and skill, to combat the situation?
(door bell)
- See who it is Andrew.
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(gun shots)
- Get on the ground!
Get on the ground! Get on the ground!
(gun shots)
End Ex, End Ex, End Ex.
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- Just tell me what happened Ron.
- [Ron] Well, somebody came to the door,
and I sent my son to the door to, check the door
And without warning, the guy just burst in
and pulled a gun, started shooting.
- Well, I kind of figured you'd go right to guns.
When they came in the house like that,
and it was gonna be fast and furious.
I didn't, I didn't think
you would go, down quite that violently
but that was pretty violent.
So, do you think he could have done anything different
to avoid, getting ground up like that?
- Yeah
And more, should have been more aware
'cause I saw the shadow, but again, you think this day
and time, you should think more, could be a threat
but people come to your door all the time.
But my view was partially blocked,
but I should have been more aware and,
and well again, he just was in the house
and running so fast, it was just.
- Do you think that if you hadn't, gone
to guns and presented a threat to him,
that maybe he would not have shot you?
- That's a possibility,
but if somebody, rushes your, rushes through your door
and rushes in your house, to me, that's a threat.
- Alright, so we definitely had a bad trade.
- Yep.
- You went to guns, he went to guns.
The bad guy was told, if you went for a gun.
He was to shoot you.
- Okay.
- If you didn't go for a gun,
he was just to hold you and rob your house.
- That's what I would do in real life.
If somebody breaks, burst into my house,
he's a threat, and I'm going to gun.
- Have you ever talked with your family?
So, hey, you know, if we're out somewhere, even at home
if somebody gets to drop on me, we gotta do something.
Do we have a plan for that?
- Not that specific thing, we haven't.
We've talked about a lot of scenarios been there.
Haven't really talked about, if somebody gets to drop on me.
We haven't, we haven't covered that.
- Yeah, if somebody gets to drop on me.
My wife has my backup.
She's the, she's the second carrier also.
And as is yours, correct?
Okay.
If, if you get shot and you go down
does your son know where your gun is?
Can he get it out?
Does he know what to do?
Those are the things you gotta talk about.
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- I know that you said,
your first inclination is to go to guns.
Alright,
And there's a time and a place for that.
- True.
- Sometimes you gotta, you gotta at least have a plan B.
- Mm hmm.
- So we gotta start talking about
what we can do as a team too.
So could he have, could he have,
are you prone to seizures Andrew?
- No sir.
- Are you prone to seizures, Andrew?
- Oh, yes sir.
- Yeah, maybe he gets real excitable and he has seizures.
I gotta worry about him.
You know, we gotta talk about something.
Something has to happen.
What can, what can you think of?
What would you think?
I mean listen, I mean listen, you're not gonna
outdraw a guy that has a gun pointed at you.
What are you gonna do?
You got gray whiskers?
You got a bad ticker?
Oh geez, my heart, oh my heart.
- Okay.
- So if I was down here, and I have
this gun, down on the front of my pants or something.
I'd go, buddy, buddy, hey, let me.
(mumbling)
Just, come on man, you're, you're okay.
You're gonna be okay
- It hurts.
- Alright,
Okay, so come on, man, let me do something.
Where's my target?
There he is, where's KJ at?
Can you see him?
You're gonna eyeball him first, right?
- It hurts.
- Come on, man.
- Get away from the kid.
- Just don't point the gun at me.
- he's fine.
- Alright, don't point the.
Just, don't point the gun at me.
- Get back, he's fine.
- Where's your eyes son?
Jesus.
(laughs)
You gotta be watching what's going on.
(laughs)
Maybe something like that.
- Yeah.
- Anything, you got your thing going on.
You're like, hey buddy, where's the safe?
Where's the money?
Where's, what's going on?
- Hey, shut that kid up.
- Dad.
- He's bleeding, I need, I need
- Hey, I told you to stay on the ground.
- Please.
- I need to, I need to go,
my son is possibly dying over there.
- Hey, shut up kid.
- Please.
- Hey, nah uh,
- Just, just let me.
- Get on the ground, get on the ground.
Get on the ground, get on the ground.
- I'm on the ground.
- Sir,
- Hey, shut your mouth kid.
- Please, please, please, it hurts.
- Shut up!
- And we're gonna, we're gonna reset the scenario.
We're gonna do something different,
but I just don't want you to think
that your only option, is to go right to guns.
- Okay.
- I mean, and it, me, I hate to say that you shouldn't.
Because listen, we have to make decisions.
We have to make choices.
What really drove, probably drew, drove your hand.
Forced your hand, was when Andrew got shot at the front.
you said there's gunshot goes off at the front.
That's like, that's like,
a almost like a man I have to do or die.
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(gun shots)
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- The probability of a home invasion may be low.
The possibility of it happening and me not having a gun
on is high, especially around the house.
I can make my probabilities
a little higher of having a gun on.
If I carry a small one,
I know not everybody likes small guns,
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Modern ammunition has changed a lot about small guns.
And after all, what do I want the bad guy to do?
I want him to stop and rethink his decision.
And if he still keeps coming,
I can use the small gun to fight my way,
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Ruger.
And lockdown.
Ron and his son are once again and enjoying the indoors.
When it happens again
Will Ron and his son react differently
or will they rise to the occasion?
- So how was school today?
- Yep.
- See who that is, if you don't mind.
- Alright, sure.
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- Hey, how are you?
- Hey, how's it going?
- Good.
- I've lost my dog, I don't know if you've seen it,
it's a black dog.
- Stay on the ground old man.
Hey, hey, stay on the ground.
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- What's going on?
I got him, come on in.
- What's going on?
- I got him.
Hey kid, get over here, now.
- Whoa.
- He has, he has seizures, don't, he has seizures.
- I don't care what ailment that kid's got.
I just need you to sit down and be calm.
It's gonna be over,
It's going to be over quick,
- You okay?
Andrew.
- No movement.
- He needs his medicine, man.
- Put your hands up,
- I need, it's upstairs, In the bedroom upstairs.
- Upstairs, go get it.
- Are you okay?
I need to, he needs his medicine.
- He's not even, he's fine.
No, no,
- He needs his medicine.
- No, hey, I'll shoot him if you move again.
- Just let me give him his medicine.
- I'll shoot him again.
- Just.
- Don't move.
(gun shot)
- Ah, dad, please.
- I warned you, I beep warned you.
- See he's sick.
- Oh, he's sick and shot now.
- I know.
- Just let me take care of him.
- No, I just shot him.
- At least let me put a bandage on.
- Hey, I just shot the kid.
- At least let me put a bandage on.
- Hey take the bag, hurry, hurry, It's in the
(gun shots)
Ow, ow, gun, gun.
(upbeat music)
- You bleeding?
- I'm okay.
- Okay
No, let's stay over here.
Come on, back over here.
Get back behind me.
That was okay.
Just make sure no, get behind me,
No you leave the gun alone, you stay behind me.
and make sure, you get your phone and call 911.
End Ex, End Ex, End Ex,
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- Alright, Ron little different scenario.
What happened?
What did you, what did you hear?
What did you see?
What did you do?
- [Ron] Well, they came in and, and just rushed in, but.
- [Chris] Where, where did he come in from?
- [Ron] Well he came in the front door.
I didn't see the other two.
They, they like appeared.
I don't know where they came from.
I didn't see them, until they were in the room.
- [Chris] So, some people came in the back door
while the front door was bothering.
- [Ron] Correct.
- [Chris] Alright, and then what happened?
- [Ron] And then they put us both on the couch
and Andrew started fainting seizures
and trying to get them, to get them rucking,
get to him, to give him some medicine.
But then the guy was, not open to that.
And then I moved a little too much.
So he, he shot him in the leg.
Finally, he was talking to his other folks who were with him
and enough to can turn his head momentarily
where I could, draw my gun and shoot him.
- So, this is probably, both
of these scenarios were probably a lot harder
than anything that might really happen.
The easy day is, they come in
and they just shoot you and you're dead.
- [Ron] Right?
- And then they go through your house.
The next easiest day, is they come in
and they try to, hold you and don't shoot you.
And they wanna go through your house,
but you gotta assume that they're gonna kill you.
So you got to start formulating the plan.
How am I gonna do this, In the time that I have?
The hands are what can kill you.
So that's what they're watching too.
So when they see your hands move and
that's why you want to keep them kinda close to your gun
if you can, so that there's less movement getting to it.
But, all you can do is, react to what
they're giving you 'cause, you don't make the,
you don't set the criteria for your gun fight.
It's the guy that comes at you.
- Exactly.
- Yeah.
- Very true.
- That's why always, never are bad words to use.
What if you didn't have your gun on you and that happened?
Can you get to it, in your house?
Can you find,
can you get to a gun, fat or are they gonna see it?
and know that you're trying to get towards it?
- No, they're not visible
but they're, strategically placed, but they're not.
- Oh, that works strategically placed.
Give me a high five on that one.
Strategically placed, very good.
Well, and you tried hard.
You were like, oh my heart, oh my heart.
- I didn't know,
- I'm only fifteen, when I'm having a heart attack.
Elizabeth, I'm coming to you.
You were trying.
- Yeah.
- Did you start to giggle?
Did you start to laugh?
When I'd said that you were sick and shot now?
- Yeah, I know, I knew it.
I was like, he's starting to laugh.
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