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well welcome to a special edition of Mysteries of the Superstition Mountains
I always say it's special and I feel that it is but this one is a little bit
different I'm here with Larry a Hedrick today and we decided we're just going to
comment on some of the comments that we get about shows Larry another question
that we get from time to time is why are we doing this why are we going up there
and and and and doing this I mean you must be getting paid the big bucks and
do this you know yeah they're about this big and they have Dave's picture on it I
have no idea where we can spend that I tried yeah you know at Walmart and it
didn't work my gosh we've got ants all over the place here
but anyway why do we do it well my answer and then you can answer this is
we do it because we love it and we feel there's a lot of things to talk about
other than Jacob Waltz and I think we've proven that in the mountains Dave and I
I always say 1991 but it would have been there abouts the late 80s or the early
90s and we were working at a production house where we didn't have the
wherewithal to get up there to do this because basically they didn't want us to
so anytime we went up there it was it was just you know because we wanted to
we didn't shoot it or anything and then Dave called me about three years ago
dave was it about three years ago and he said let's do the show now!
and great
let's do it and because of people like yourself we
were able to get some really good topics and you helped us a great deal and we
asked you on board as a producer and and on the show but we do it for the love of
it of course you know if you get something off of that helps but we just
do it for the love of it I mean we love to show what there is
to.. to look at and the do's and don'ts about going up there and so I just
that's all I can say is we just we we find it fascinating and we hope you do
as well do we plan on finding the Dutchman's
gold that's what they ask are you looking for the Dutchman's gold no we are not
not in any way shape or form are we looking for anybody's gold if we found
it that'd be great but we're not and we don't intend to we
just report this is I'm gonna I'm gonna copy somebody else we report you decide
and so what do you have to say about that well you know I... I hadn't paid much
thought to to my involvement in in the mountains over the years until you had
interviewed Hank Sheffer I believe it was and he put you on to me and and well
we knew each other oh yeah nodding acquaintances right yeah so okay and you
know it brought back a flood of memories that I hadn't even thought of but for
decades and and once I got into it I just got sucked right in man I just
stuff started coming forward and I hadn't thought about and I do enjoy
sharing this mostly because you know as co-founder of the museum opening a
museum in 1990 I had met all kinds of Dutch hunters that came through the
museum's because they wanted to see this fantastic collection of maps we got up
there mm-hm and I've heard all their stories and these folks are dying off my
best friend Tom Kollenburn was gone and he was like along with Clay he was like
there you go I noted most noted Authority there there's just not many
left and even though I don't consider all of my stories all that important you
know it's once I got started I thought you know this ought to be down where
people can see this kind of thing and that's why I'm doing it. I think to
me is there is enough history in the area that you don't have to go on and
make something up yeah and that's basically all I can
say about that is there are people that come up here trying to make things out
of the mountain it's not. what it is very import and and very Mysterious on
its own you do not have to make anything though and I think what we're doing is
we are we again we report you decide it so you know people sometimes take
offense to something that's on the show well 95% of the time we didn't say it
it's the opinion of a guest and you know it's like they say the views expressed
are those of the guests and not necessarily those of who you know are
the MC's on the show although sometimes we do agree with them sometimes we don't
but we're not gonna say we let them present their story we have had people
on noted authorities who have told basically the same story but have either
added things or you know what have you altered the story
a bit to what they've been told and that's what makes it so fascinating
that's what makes all this stuff up there mysterious and a legend is we
don't know exactly what happened there are certain things we know the Dutchman
are not really Dutch he was German Jacob Waltz and I talked to somebody from
Germany who was born not too far from where he was born
of course now at the same time and and I said do they know about Jacob Waltz
there and she doesn't know no don't but she does because she she loves
westerns and she comes out here and I said well so what in your opinion was
his actual name because we've been told Waltz Walls Walzer even sometimes
Walsh very few but sometimes and she said that she believes that it was
Walzer that's what she believes and I'm just telling it you know she's from that
area so you know we take it with a for what it's worth that's not my opinion
that is somebody else's opinion but it's always interesting because I've
done some genealogical searches on Jacob Waltz and there are several of
them it's like Smith and Jones it's like you know Brown
it's not like LeSueur though but it is you know like those names and over
there and I found one in the location where he was born that fits the
description the date the year and the date he died the only thing about it is
this was back in someplace like Minnesota that he passed away so you
know unless he did some sort of a magic trick that wasn't the right one but it
is just fascinating to share these things like you said that people are are
passing on and we need to get as much information as we can now there's still
some information and we will agree on this and and say no more about it
there's some information we can't share right and we're and and I think that's
what people like about us and trust us such as Clay or Bob Schooes the mayor of
Goldfield or Ron Who am I missing Jack San Felice yourself that we just
don't share it's just it's just something well some people have
threatened us but they have me but we wouldn't share anyway there are just
some things you don't share and we're not going to it's things they don't want
shared exactly and that's why we can get people of your ilk to do this show and
Clay to do this show us because I think they trust us I think they know that we
are not going to do anything that's that's a no no. Clay knew very
well I wasn't going to go to certain places when we interviewed him mm-hmm
and that's that's obvious that he because of you and chance are we would
have never been able to talk to him if it wasn't for you that's to me that's a
given but he did open up and he told us some things and you know occasionally
some things with these people are slipped out you know and we don't put
them in we know what to leave out and and dave is
very good at doing that and jane they're very good at oh they they don't want
that in I'm sure so it's it's taken out but they are very cautious and and we
are very cautious that we only go so far and then we pull back there are stories
I won't tell now because people are still alive know about this and their
families and stuff and I'm not about I would love to tell a couple of stories
but I can't mention any name can't mention any names maybe we can get to
the story sometime not mention names but if it offends somebody you don't want to
do that yeah you know people say well do you know where this is and do you know
where that is well maybe I do maybe I don't but the thing is I'm not telling
you and of course the biggest thing is and please respect that when I say that
and you know the two biggest questions are has the mind been found if it has we
don't know about it there's so many people that have claimed to have found
it we don't know what's true and what's not chances are if it is up there it's
been covered either by the ranger service or by somebody else and the
other thing is do you know where it's at and my pad answer is as a lot of people
will say well yeah but if I told you I'd have to kill you yeah you know that type
of thing no we are just as surprised a lot of times what we find out as the
viewers because basically what they're seeing is live on tape what we present
them is something that we might get the scoop on at that moment that we weren't
intending to get so this is why we do it we love it mm-hmm we love it it's been a
passion for both of us you've done a lot more with it because of the helping to
create co-creator of the Superstition Mountain Museum and you need to go out
there and and see the stamp mill that you have you tore it down and rebuild at
what three times what twice but you and just somebody else
Hank Brown yeah and this new and I have to tout this the new and of putting
Apacheland what's left of it there the museum you did a smashing job Dave
the pictures you put on there were remarkable things I've never seen and
really interesting footage and Hank wants to come back on he says I've got
more to talk about it the fire so we'll have hanging back on let him talk about
the fires so there you have it we just love it and hopefully you love to watch
it as we we present it
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