Mike Lindell,
election fraud expert,
also sell some pillows on the side.
He went on CNN [COUGH] to talk
about his latest attempt to
convince people that the 2020
election was stolen from
Donald Trump, again.
So when he went there to talk,
he wanted to talk with a reporter
Drew Griffin on CNN.
And Drew Griffin had just one
question for him after he gave
him all this evidence and
information about just how
the election was stolen.
Drew Griffin had one question,
hear this.
>> What is this?
>> That's just one piece of 1.2
billion lines of data from
the election, okay?
There's, within that will be
timestamps of when it happened,
there'll be flips in there.
>> So we sent this to
our own experts,
but he said that it doesn't show
any specific actions of any kind,
election related or not.
And it's proof of nothing.
>> Okay, so you
said that's nothing?
He's wrong, then you didn't hire
the cyber expert.
>> Boom, got him.
[LAUGH] >> I mean what's
up now, bro?
You hire someone, did you?
This train wreck of an interview
did not in there.
I want to go to one more before we
talk about these first
two embarrassing moments.
But Drew Griffin went on to talk
about the details, that's why these
experts debunked the things
that Mike Lindell is claiming,
let's listen to that.
>> We didn't consult just one cyber
expert.
We consulted nine,
top election security experts, who
told us Lindell's screenshots were
extremely rudimentary metadata and
completely ridiculous.
We also reached all 15 officials
from the 15 counties where Lindell
says, without any proof,
votes were hacked and switched.
They are counties that use paper
ballots counted by systems
not connected to the internet.
Every one of them told CNN there
is no evidence they were hacked
by anyone.
>> You identify 15 counties where
the votes were switched.
We contacted all 15 counties with
red and blue, red and blue.
>> It doesn't matter.
>> And we couldn't find a single
person that said this is
even possible, they say that you
are mistaken, >> Right.
>> They think you were wrong.
The bottom line is they have paper
ballot backup.
That's a prove that they were not
>> So, you guys, when they let you
audit there, they let you do a full
audit CNN, you guys should have
full out of all the 15 counties?
>> To an open mic on these posts
here.
He wants to make sure that every
one of these responses comes back
to another question or
them saying, really?
So not really.
This is the kind of privilege that
we've seen from folks who think
they can just give an answer.
And just because they said it was
absolutely zero proof, without even
looking into the details of this
that they're talking about.
That's just the way it is.
>> So, when he says, so they let
you audit, but he didn't say that.
[LAUGH] But remember,
Mike Lindell's audience in a sense,
has the same mental issues
that might seem to have, right?
So when he says, so
they let you audit,
they go god-damned, right?
But don't give up reported in say
that, he said I checked with
the officials and they have paper
ballots and it's been verified.
He didn't say that I went and
verified it.
He said I checked with not only
Democrats but Republicans on
the ground who verified it.
And of course, it's not an accident
that Trump and Lindell and all
their allies lost 60 cases in a row
when they adjudicated this, and had
a chance to bring that ridiculous
metadata into the courts.
They brought whatever evidence they
had, and they were laughed out of
the courts by every judge,
including every Republican judge,
including every Trump appointed
judge, right?
So, but my favorite part was in
the first clip, when the reporter
presents the evidence to him, and
Lindell seems genuinely surprised.
And he's like, [LAUGH] look,
the guy's got mental health issues.
And there's a bunch of those folks
running around now, right?
But the problem is they're public
figures.
If they weren't a public figure and
it's your uncle or your neighbor or
guy you don't even like,
you say hey, Mike, look man,
take it or leave it but
I got a great therapist,
not in a mocking way, genuinely.
The guy clearly needs some sort of
help, whatever is happening in
his personal life.
And we could reach out to them as
progressives and
have sympathy, etc.
But they are public figures, and
they're deceiving tons and
tons of people into thinking that
this insanity is true.
Look, you take that one example.
This is I got this,
it's China's hack it in and
when I got the metadata through
the internet, China hack in, and
then getting there next thing
you know it's in My Pillow, right?
[LAUGH] >> And they're, but
your pillow is not connected to
the internet and
neither is the voting system.
[LAUGH] Is that the first time you
heard that?
I mean, but
then you're saying crazy things.
So I don't want to call you crazy,
but I got to, brother,
because you're lying to people and
they're believing you.
>> I think he definitely
knows exactly what he's doing.
I'm giving him less of a return
thinking there's
some mental health issue there.
But it, for me, at least,
I want to know at what point does
Mike Lindell get charged with
trying to overthrow the government.
Because that's exactly what it
seems he's doing what's fueling
these lies and
this disinformation campaign.
It really seems he picked up
where Trump and
his cronies have left off.
And seeing outlets like CNN give
Lindell a flat form is absolutely
absurd.
The man is not interested in
facts at all.
He knows exactly what he's saying
cannot be proven and is not true.
And when it's disproven,
he's going to, just like Cenk,
observed, he will go left.
And so, I just don't understand why
people continue to uplift him, but
I would really
like to see prosecutors to get in
touch with them.
And so if he ends up in a facility,
that sounds fine.
But at the end of the day, he is
trying to overthrow the government,
disrupt things, and
we are at a point where somebody
has to do something >> In order to
overthrow the government,
ignore all the facts you actually
kind of have to not listen.
And that's really what was
exhibited in this last clip.
I just want to point out because
they went over Drew Griffin, I just
want to put out his name again,
with over and over with the details
of how he looked into it.
Even maybe with the mind of let me
take all of your accusations,
just really placed them right in
front of the people who are experts
in the field because they do it and
see what the response is.
One of those times when you can go,
I wish to people who are saying
this could just have a direct
response to the real answer.
Here it is.
>> Lindell claims someone in China
hacked the election system here and
stole away precisely 3,215 Trump
votes and
turned them into Biden votes.
The Republican county clerk Nancy
Pres Rocky finds the allegation
laughable for one main reason.
>> It is never connected to
the internet.
>> Never. >> Never connected to
the internet at all, whatsoever.
>> Not only are they not connected
to the internet, the votes
are cast by hand and paper.
Voters scan their ballots into this
Dominion scanning machine,
where two digital
storage guards keep a tally.
The paper ballot goes right into
this bin under lock and seal.
>> And that container is sealed?.
And just to check that everything
went okay, they conduct audits,
comparing the paper ballots to
the results on the computer.
And in 2020, it was an exact match.
>> I don't think you really
understand how votes are cast,
collected, and
tabulated in this country?
>> You know what?
I do, but
what you don't understand is they
can get after they're tabulated.
They can get hacked after the fact
which they were because Donald
Trump was going to win anyway.
[CROSSTALK] Donald Trump
was going to win
anyway >> The paper ballots
>> You need to match them up or
>> Audited against the machine.
>> No, they weren't.
>> In these counties,
they were >> No, they weren't.
Who told you that?
>> The county officials.
>> Did they tell you that?
Well, they're going to have some
answering to do.
>> Wow, so again,
the answer wasn't, because in case
you couldn't hear in the middle,
this last part of his little rant,
his answer was because Donald Trump
was going to win anyway.
That is the answer to or
how is it that it wasn't connected
to the internet or wasn't connected
for them to hack from afar, and
then therefore change the votes?
He goes with
the changes afterwards, how?
Because Donald Trump was going to
win anyway, how does that work?
What are the mechanisms that allows
Donald Trump to win anyway being
the reason that they hacked
afterwards these paper ballots
from China?
Yeah, so, maybe we should do a poll
on whether Mike Lindell is actually
crazy or is lying.
But look, in fact, Jay Hufford
in our member section said,
I think Cenk is right.
Lindell was genuine.
He has serious issues.
He's got nothing to gain here.
He's lost a lot of money over this.
By the way, he pulled an enormous
amount of advertising money out of
Fox News recently because he said
they didn't run my ad or whatever.
There's also some chance that he's
starting to run out of money.
His pillows have been pulled from
a lot of the retail stores, and
I don't think he knows.
I don't think he's connected to
reality at all.
So, when the reporter,
Drew Griffin, tells him, Mike,
it doesn't seem you know how
the election system works?
He says, you know what?
I Do. [LAUGH] >> That's not a great
counter argument, and
chairs absolutely right.
I came away with the same thought
when he's like,
why do you think this habit was
Trump was going to win anyway?
It's that's,
that's cognitive dissonance.
I thought Trump was definitely
going to win.
He didn't, so
something must have gone wrong.
Not I was wrong, and
it turns out Trump didn't win.
For example,
a lot of people thought
Hillary Clinton was going to win.
And she didn't.
And how do we square that?
We said, well,
I guess we were wrong.
And Lindell and
his followers think, no,
it is inconceivable for
us to be wrong.
So, whatever facts you're giving
me, I'm going to ignore because
Trump is going to win, and
we all know it.
And we believe that so much that
we're not willing to listen to any.
So, I'll just show you a bunch of
matrix like [LAUGH] numbers that
don't make any sense.
They say they got it from
the internet when this thing is not
connected to the internet, right?
And so, but
I will quote one other member here.
Naughtiest Maximus says,
somebody tell Mike that he must not
be getting enough sleep and
is unhinged.
Maybe he needs a better pillow.