And now we are live! Good morning everybody. Good morning!
We are so happy to have you again. David, I have had fantastic conversations with you before, and for those who don't know David's
teaching and live path, I really want you to do research, go to his Facebook page
he has a lot of wonderful content that you really enjoy
and today, I thought it would be great, David, if we have a conversation about this subject that I think is so valuable, especially in today's environment
we have election coming up we have so many different conflicts on social media that I can observe everyday,
arguments. It feels like people have compassion fatigue, don't you find it that
sometimes it's like all signs pointing, it is compassion fatigue.
David, tell me what is your work in bringing compassion to everyday routine of every human being no matter what state
of awareness a person has. Whether they had experienced, that they were so blessed to have, you, me and many other people
The experience of awakening. The experience of seeing beyond body-mind
What is that you can share that is relevant.
Well, my work centers on the idea and the experience that, that
there's really one of us, we share, we are all connected, we share one mind
and that the belief in separation has projected out a world of differences but, but the
core disturbance is in mind, in consciousness. So everything that I work
with is on healing
the consciousness, healing the mind and then seeing the world in a way where you
radiate the love that's already inside of you to everyone and everything.
So, compassion is a very interesting topic because a lot of times the many many
spiritualities that that will, say, you need to have compassion towards ignorance,
and compassion towards suffering and compassion towards conflict and so forth
and from my teachings is that you must find the source of the conflict of the
suffering, of all differences, in mind and consciousness before you can truly
extend love. So if you believe that that you are not a part of the suffering but
you still perceive other people suffering I would say you are deluded,
you are mistaken because you can't even perceive conflict and perceive suffering
unless you actually believe it. It's unconscious. Usually the the mind is not
aware of how deep the beliefs in ego are rooted. But if you are perceiving the
suffering and trying to act compassionately it's going to be a very
difficult struggle and it will bring fatigue and it will bring like a burn out
that you mentioned because in one sense you're saying I'm perceiving it, I have
nothing to do with it, but I'm going to send love to it and if you're
perceiving it you believe it. You actually already do believe it. And so
really as soon as you perceive the conflict and the suffering in whatever,
in politics or in different cultures and so on and so forth then you have to come
back inside and say I need healing in my perception to actually experience the
love that's in my heart. So it's quite, it's quite a
a journey to clear the consciousness completely.
What do you think of this, do you, did or do experience in relation to compassion because you know in
interaction between human beings sometime so many triggers can happen and
as I least know what other people who had experiences of awakening
the body mind awareness still exists even after the experience itself.
As the intensity of it subsides for a lot of people, probably for the majority of people,
the reconstruction into the ego happens and it's almost like I see in my world
the intensity of the experience of emotions became much stronger before the experience itself happened
it seems like because we became more open to feeling everything that the body is there to feel
you almost feel even more, I cannot say suffering per se but, the pain of the emotions that are perceived to be painful.
You feel it stronger and I can concede that it is relevant to a lot of other people. Yesterday I just listen to some
Adyashanti conversation and Samadi teachers and sages,
it feels like it's a very common denominator. I don't know how it is in your world that
after the experience of awakening, the experience of the unified consciousness when you get
reintegrated as a human being per se, or perceived to be such;
the emotions become almost stronger, they do not disappear and people have this
imagination that maybe in some cases, I don't know, it's not my situation
I cannot share because there's no experience on my end
that there is something happening to your emotional world where everything becomes this
nirvana and peace, no, you just have different relationship with emotions.
But the experience of suffering then become not so personal any longer,
you don't, you don't suffer, you feel the pain yet there is not this
existential suffering or depression or believing in the emotions any longer.
There is an observer to that. But through suffering of our own as we experience it
it's much easier to come back to relating to other beings that go through their own struggle isn't it so?
Well I think there are many pathways to awakening but I
would say a purely awake mind does not suffer at all, ever. There's not an
observer of the suffering, it's just there is no suffering because actually
Spirit or Love or Oneness doesn't create any kind of conflict or suffering at all. It
always comes from ego. So when people say I had an awakening experience, they
maybe had a glimpse of something, they had a glimpse of the Divine, we'll say, but they
didn't they didn't actually fully awaken from the ego if the suffering or
even the perception of suffering comes back, even if they're observing the suffering
it's still there is no suffering in God. So I actually studied A Course in
Miracles which is from Jesus Christ and here we have a totally awake being,
someone who, who seemingly was on the cross and he basically had blood coming
from his limbs and he said forgive them for they know not what they do in a calm
way. He actually did not have any pain on the cross. A lot of times people in this
day and age they see people that can use the power of their mind to
walk across hot coals and not feel pain or they even walk across hot coals and
their feet don't even get burned.
Well this was Jesus Christ, he had transcended, he doesn't need hypnotism, he had actually
reached the point where he saw the ego wasn't real and death wasn't real and so
we had a man who seemed to come back after he was buried, dead and buried,
just as another witness to say actually death and pain and suffering aren't real.
They have nothing to do with a loving Spirit, a loving Source, a loving Oneness
that we truly are. Now this takes a lot of mind training. So I would say that for
most people
what they do is they are continually having things pop up from the
unconscious mind that are little threads of darkness,
still the belief in death, it's a, is a death wish that's still in the mind. And all
suffering comes from still holding on and protecting a death wish in the mind.
Though what it is is I would say like relationships anytime we perceive an
external world somehow that the world is outside of us instead of just a unified in
we call it the Unified Field, unified awareness, the quantum field, that's all an awareness
that everything is completely connected there is nothing
inside or outside. Most human beings perceive an external world and even if
you are having a happy day and the mosquito comes along and bites you on
the arm and you feel a little irritated at the mosquito bite there's still an
antagonism with what seems to be the skin and you feel it emotionally you get
irritated, you get annoyed, you get itchy. And even that is still ego. Even perceiving an
irritation with a mosquito bite, because any form of irritation and annoyance or
upset, even the tiniest upset, is still saying that ego is still rooted in the
mind and consciousness and it has to be transcended. So I would say I work with
everybody in the sense of don't try to get into mental games of perceiving
suffering and trying to detach yourself from the suffering. As long as it's in
your awareness, whether it's a mosquito bite or a little fatigue and discomfort,
tightness in the body or a little bit of worry or anxiety or whatever. Don't fool yourself
into thinking I can just try to detach the matter, push it away. It's coming up
into awareness for a reason to be released and we're here to release every
scrap of discomfort
so that we can truly live a joyful, happy, radiant in life, you know, full of love
extending. That's really what we're all going for it and it does take a lot of
discipline. I'm not trying to kid anybody by saying they can just twinkle their nose or
click their fingers or put their heels together like Dorothy in The Wizard of
Oz and just keep clicking their heels together and I'm not saying its magic,
you know, we can use it in a magical way. It it takes prayer and meditation and a
real willingness to not hold on to any sense of personal identification