so last night we finally had the big debate bill night versus can handle it
properly with Ken Ham
he runs at the museum that has Kaden writing and dinosaurs and things like
that that purports to explain how
creation explains the world and so are they gathered there in his home base and
they had their debate
now I we're talking about some other substance to the debate once we get into
and as our
but I I was a little bit disturbed by what I saw
and thinking about it more after the debate I really question whether or not
it was a good idea for Bill Nye to engage in that
and the reason I that was recrystallized actually today
so there's a a journalist but Matt's no para
is for BuzzFeed he was there at the debate and he talked to some of the
people who are very firm creation believers and he had them right
appease the paper little messages to those who believe in evolution
it to pictures of them as a ref show you a few of them and reading these messages
I don't care about the individual people this is not about them but not really
about the individual messages
but this is the frame of mind the bill now I was going on stage to try to
change
it just feels like such an impossible task and you'll see why when you look at
these images
I believe in the Big Bang Theory gobs editing
bang it happened while very enthusiastically posing smiling
well she seems like she really thought it out I have that so that's a great
argument congratulations
I love like this and more if evolution is a theory like creationism
or the Bible he added that after dipping why then is evolution it hot
as the fact now this is a great one to stop for a second on because
we understand you understand your smart person you're watching a show
that they are simply playing with dule definitions of the word
theory the scientific definition what a theory is the popular definition a
theory which is
much more came to a hypothesis or sometimes just
an idea hmm he must have heard that
idea be refuted in the past it he's there
at the actual debate implying but he has on some level
song intellectual curiosity about this issue
and get he must've heard it many times in the past he still is presenting it
as like checkmate gotcha Bill Nye yeah I think my biggest issue with
these letters is that it does show a lack of intellectual curiosity and I
don't know if it's because
the theory about pollution sounds too complicated for people to actually
learn about and and takin or if it's because they believe in their religion
so much that they are threatened by the science that disproves what they believe
in right
he already because the reality is if if
you are a creationist you believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible
accepting something like evolution would indicate that you can no longer
dictate or or believe in the morality that dictated by religious doctrine
right which I just disagree with
many %uh the Christians who don't believe in creation I do believe in
evolution
a bill by repeatedly brought those up during the debate that would seem to
imply that you can retain the philosophical and moral or ethical
underpinnings to Christianity
without leaving a little truth out the the word
exactly and and then going back to the Big Bang Theory
you know i watch the entire debate I watched it as soon as I woke up this
morning because I couldn't wait to see you know whether or not this creation is
had
any type up good argument again someone like Bill Nye right
i mean they're not even on a level playing field so I but the debate was
ridiculous to begin with right don't give any credibility to these nutjobs
but anyway up but can have made the argument that
you know the Big Bang Theory is very similar to what he believes in the sense
that there's no evidence behind it he did say so in so many words but he
basically said
I believe in the word of God you believe in this this
idea that boom there was a big bang in all the sudden they're all these
galaxies and and yada yada
but the reality is I mean if he had done some research I'm sure he has he has to
know about this
I mean the big bang theory isn't based on nothing
it's based on the fact that galaxies are receding from the earth
it's based on the Doppler shift it's based on up hubbell's observations and
and Bill Nye did a great job in talking about that
and it's just ridiculous to me that you have a real scientist here debating
using real facts and you have someone disagreeing on what the facts are
you can't have a debate there or or who refuse to believe the facts are possible
in this thread
Nokia more the pictures because science by definition is a
phiri not testable observable nor repeatable why do you object to
creationism or intelligent design being taught in schools so this one
depressed may perhaps more than any other because science is
I think by definition the idea abusing
tests using observations repeating those tests
that's what science is that the scientific method is yeah and here's a
woman
again is not about the woman but this is a is %uh population of which she is
represented
who went there ostensibly because they believe there's a conversation to be had
between religion and science
who fundamentally did not understand the first thing about science
and whatnot at the end of the day I really even her fall it to the community
she is a part of who did not want her to know about side
to be curious about science and Italy at the very least they brought Bill Nye in
maybe they're starting to
to yield some ground in that area but that's that's a scary sight to see drug
grown woman in American 2014
so from watching that interview one thing that I definitely did notice is
that Ken Ham has a political agenda and his political agenda is very very clear
okay Bill Nye never mention the issue of gay marriage he never issue he never
mention the issue of abortion
but can handed in his opening statement he's concerned with morality he's
concerned with the morality that is pushed upon us
by his particular religion so %uh
you know he would make arguments
that were not scientific n I don't like the fact that because in the format of
that debate
he can make claims and the only person there too
do rebuttal is Bill Nye right the moderator doesn't jump in and say that's
not true
so people who are ready have a bias in favor of creationism
are just going to take everything he says as truth and its back
and there's no one there other than Bill Nye to say no that's not actually true
but definitely problematic and going back to the whole thing about
creationism in schools
he kept repeating over and over again that he found it to be problematic
that we teach evolution but not creationism right well
to burst the ball that's not problematic that's the way it should be
because evolution is based on fact it's based on scientific evidence creationism
is based on your Bible
and also there are many states including Texas Louisiana and Tennessee
that have public schools that are currently teaching creationism
that kid or should be completely against the law if we come from monkeys than
wire they're still monkeys is another one
that he must have seen that be refuted to explain to
thousand times but I love the response from the
BuzzFeed I reporter I if you came for your parents
why do you still apparent that's awesome
anyway if I don't understand I know that he didn't go there
to convince the monkey I yeah or the sunset girl or any of those I understand
that on some level
but I worry that the the narrow like the middle
that they're fighting for like I feel like those people are a combination of
so apathetic
and help you out there could there be left in Monday my wrong like
I'm do you think it was worthwhile
no now maybe I'm gonna be completely honest %uh look I'm in favor of having
debates having an open dialogue on issues that may be controversial
but this reminds me a lot love the climate change debate right
where the media will treat naysayers
on a level playing field as those cool
do the real science climate scientists right and that gives credibility to
those who denied the climate change is caused by human activity
yes I don't like that I don't want to give them credibility
I don't want to pretend as though they have a sound argument to make
so in a format does that and and the format doesnt do that i mean
in the thing is there's no debate to be had if one side
refuses to believe the fax at the very end the debate you know can have without
you know
would you change your mind what would it take for you to change your mind about
evolution and he basically said nothing
you know the word of God is superior and that's all that matters I'm paraphrasing
I don't know exactly what I
not that much but but that just shows you he is willing to reject
fact and I think that his strongest believers
are similar where they will reject back so what is the point of having is
ridiculous debate all it does is it legitimizes
a point of view there should be a legitimate well it does one more thing
that you just revealed right there it reveals that they do not have
the fundamentally they don't have the same mission they're not both looking
for the truth they're not both looking for an explanation
he's buying with an explanation Ken Ham is so long as it's his explanation
Bill Nye is willing to revise is probably eager to revise
his ideas based on new information became him doesn't care about the
information he cares about his belief in God
are you scared to the Divine Creator to include this one and others another one
about what purpose do you buy in the world because
I think they were really they weren't arguing the same point as I've said
I can him frequently was not arguing that he believes that
the creation explains the world he was arguing that we have to believe it is
because if we do not
then you won't you won't I accept our moral and ethical argument yes
and it seems like many of the people the BuzzFeed photographed
they're not saying I don't believe in evolution they seem to be scared
what would it mean to be an atheist what would my life be like
what does that mean what the Suns yeah if I'm an atheist
so I think that Bill Nye handled this entire debate in the classiest possible
way
and kid how was very aggressive against him if you ask me
but Bill Nye was very respectful and not just above Ken Ham
but also love people of faith right not just creation is for people who believe
in any particular religion
and the reason why I like that is because he did make a point about how
for a lot of people
religion is comfort right its it's the idea that
one day when you're gone you're gonna end up somewhere else in your life
isn't completely over and that is something that helps console people it
makes people feel better about the fact you know that they're gonna lose people
in their lives
%uh so I just I don't have anything against
religious people I have something against people who use religious
doctrine to dictate the lives of others
or people who just outright refuse science
refuse to believe in science or they want to get rid of signs are public
school system and replace it with something that isn't scientifically
sound
the work we're not against religious people were against ignorant people yet
and they don't have to be religious
there's nothing I hate more than talking to a person who agrees fundamentally
with everything I believe but but but based on us to better version other
that is a frustrating endeavor deaf and I know there's one other there's one
other quick area this
I not everybody I'm things that they can and did a great job some people even on
his side
are mad with the way that he presented their philosophy
so we go to our old pal pat robertson and hear his problem with denim
it was a bishop in them middle
ages their home a 1807
a who I ended up the dates listed
in Genesis and he came up with the world manner after six thousand years
the ain't no way that's possible
and we have skeletons and dinosaurs it go back to but
our one point 65 million years
and to say that it all came about and six those New Year's is just nonsense
and I think the timely
become offer that stuff and say this is impossible
and that we we have found a the terrorists Rs Rex out there in the
it with are going to some place amid a full skeleton
and that baby was laid down was 65 million years ago so I mean
less less being relentless not be this might like to joke about ourselves
yet let's be real let's be as real as the pterosaurs racks
but anyway he its it's the first week of the month right that's the week where he
is reasonable
next week he goes crazy in fact waiting when there's something but and this is
another example %uh like I have to re asked the question
does anybody still believe that pat robertson is religious
he seemed to reject all the fundamental principle yeah he believes in the
structure behind the religion
but if the strike me as particularly well even the money that he gets from
preaching the religion but every
every once in a while like Hill I me when he talks about infidelity in
marriage is and why
husbands hero get yeah it is just like you know well
light needs to take better care of words lol
K oh you know my wife is kinda acting up which should I do
yeah feder like love look like they're all like it was ridiculous point
yeah %uh but in this particular case he's absolutely right
you know I think that %uh the the right-wing
loses as soon as they start talking about how
the plan is only six thousand years old when they start rejecting
you know fossil evidence indicating that evolution does exist that the planet is
a certain
age I'm so I like that he put out that video and
look there are reasonable questions out there they do not believe we waited for
him
yeah exactly that totally reject creationism but do believe in science
and those are the people that should be applauded but fundamentalist should not
be applauded and I like that someone like pat robertson is rejecting the
notion that creationism is legitimate or credible
have now understand that the a big organization
young earth creationists and a happy with pat robertson is not the first time
he said that he doesn't believe in all six thousand year older
thing so they're not happy with them and so I like this as yet another step
I love you have in the Bible you have the bill topical stuff and then you the
stuff that purports to be fact historical factor whatever
and you overtime you strip more and more at that a science reveals more of our
history
at history before their humans you get rid of that stuff in the more you get
rid of it the more the Bible will become basically just another philosophy book
and I think that's perfectly fine at that point what's believe that has no
divine inspiration to compare it
a contrast with other philosophical texts I think that for the most part
it's going to lose out when you do that except for some with that jesus said
that you can find many other philosophies but I think that we will be
better off when we get to that point stop pretending that has any kind of
divine origin whatsoever