was inspired by just opportunity you
know and you know I know what this
brings i know that i'm going to either
kill someone so I'm going to kill me i'm
gonna be incarcerated for the rest of my
life
yeah and shit and I'm i will try to the
positive rival righty what happens you
know cuz there's no limits in order me
and I was exposed to more things then
you know I got great results
how do you write out your circumstances
so many of us didn't grow up with a
better you know circumstances the
incorporation grew up on the best place
maybe not the best family i'm talking to
Ron Butler about his book juice is a
good book and talk about how you went
from your family poverty always come on
a multi-millionaire draft number 10 in
the NBA fast professional basketball we
and so thank you for coming man should
tell the story about how when you're
growing up you were 13 and you are you
six-foot-six here but i was already
tricks with six just you know ballin
hoopin you know on the corner like a
statue but a and they didn't have shoes
for you I I had were smaller shoe sizes
all the time you know so instead of
having my natural size 13 always out
there were eleven and a half of it well
wow they're like the Chinese
foot-binding yeah man jack my foot up, jack my feet up
forever but now I was worth eyes bigger
now and I'm really fortunate enough to
get the right size shoot now so i'm
you where a size bigger just to say "fuck it"
you said I couldn't, I didn't have money
now I got the money and get whatever I
want I have it back in the day been good
I'm blessed so very fortunate what I
want to talk about
we're talking about Caron's new book it's
actually a great book because sometimes
that we put out book and they're not
good
this one I personally read about for
appreciate the juice and by the way got
Kobe Bryant looking forward Mamba
Black Mamba wrote this. Now for somebody watching
and I got international crowd you might
not know too much about american
basketball but Caron pulled off one of
the biggest achievement in sport he was
drafted
and in the top 10 of the NBA, what was it '02
Yeah 2002. 2002 you got to draft number ten
just took that perspective over 300
million people won't play basketball 300
make it to the pros and terms of being
top and a draft you know that that's
that's hard
it was special man, you know getting
drafted by the Godfather of the NBA
none other than Pat Riley the legend
um you know him choosing me was just
spoke volumes because all the people
that worked out for him doing that draft
class
yeah and I didn't even go to Miami you
know I thought I'd be going into the
draft by that time and I slipped to
number 10 and I got the phone call he
took me and it changed my life of Pat
Riley if you don't know you know the
lakers Matt Johnson screen Showtime
Showtime and you went to Miami and won
championships and he's known as one
the best, he got the eyes for talent
absolutly. He took miami which was an
expansion team and turn them into Wade
Dwayne Wade, Shaq so now one thing I want to
talk about in the book few things are
and this books on amazon. Absolutely
the best place to get it
amazon one of the things that I kind of
I do these little bit more accessible to
do they tell you about to do it in
school but for me books are not for show
there for learning and so one of the
things I i recorded a video on youtube
all I get your opinion on it and a lot
of people have resonated with it was
called riding out of the action because
when i read the stories of successful
people like yourself throughout history
hey Winston Churchill p.m. the other
super bowl champs he said he taught a
real what do you think the Falcons we
need to read in the offseason because
they lost came back they were out 23
says read the story of Winston Churchill
because he had war to you started out of
hero failed went down round up his
career for 20 years don't believe him
and heroes out of ashes for you your
story and you talk about
any of your family from the caulfield
Mississippi you know riding out of
poverty going to racing you nothing up
racing racing with constant and then you
riding out you use first person in his
family to make it be i'm shin really
good yeah you know it was just it was a
special thing because all the women in
our family working on assembly lines you
know in the industry and you know
working in a factory whether it was case
or insinkerator or things like that
doing manual labor in the foundries and
you know for me you know the things that
fascinated me from the second I jumped
off the porch was you know drug dealers
and things like that I'm course you
don't drive get so drunk that you got a
date for ya
I've done everything you know on the
street and um after i got incarcerated
and went through that whole process when
I got out you know i was inspired by
just the opportunity you know and you
know I know what this brings i know that
i'm going to either kill someone so I'm
going to kill me i'm gonna be
incarcerated for the rest of my life
yeah and shit and i might wanna try to
the positive rival might be what happens
you know cuz there's no limits no me and
I was exposed to more things then you
know I got great results
one of the things you said here and put
one's gonna find you said oh I know it's
here you're talking about who you think
and you said when you was right here
this is existing one of my favorite part
of the book when you go out buy this book
read page five and six and you say I
thought about the decades my grandmother
has been working a tractor factory I
thought about how far my family come
from the constable in Mississippi about
my mother working one two three shifts a
day three ships basically no sleep
thought about the rough street selling
drugs dodging bullets but here's what I
followed interesting after you said you
thought about James Parker doing your
laundry and Blackrock all close friend
of mine who were shot to death then you
said this was so great because everybody
has everything their life story have a
few people that believe me nobody did
and you said I thought about detective
Rick yellow of the racing police
department who gave me a second chance I
thought about ethan allen parole board
who set you speaking out where you
incarcerate yeah who set me free
so what it great gather do for you like
he believed in your story like it was so
crazy because of Ric keller was a
sergeant on the racing police force and
I was in the drug rate as i was in high
school playing high school basketball
and he comes into the house they bust
down the door
well i'm thinking that I don't know what
it is
could be a robbery could be anything and
the ATF one upstairs and i'm in the bed
I cover myself up I don't know what's
gonna happen
shots fired or whatever and just the
police they identified itself guns drawn
and they handcuffed and a cast on my
hand at the time for that a broken hand
fracture and they handcuffed me they
take me downstairs they seized the house
searching everything and Rick Keller's
the head detective on the case they said
we got what we got bingo we got the
jackpot they come back up with a little
bit over house and a half a crack ok and
I'll sit in their life with my priors
what everything my mind is racing
because I know on facing 10 to 15 years
in prison and peasants in there Rick
they said we got a book like taking to
the patty way
I don't think it is oh so he's better
than doubt he just gave me the benefit
of the doubt in and we had a
conversation before your company he
didn't always athlete didn't know
anything like that but he just showed me
a favor
it was the weirdest thing because I've
been in cars where someone flee'd
flee'd the scene and we sat there and none
of this stuff is ours because whoever
fleed the scene everybody go to jail for
what the situation is and for them in
this situation to have something
yeah and not charge a had something yeah
have more than just America was America
supposed to be found on that you're
innocent until proven guilty and there's
so many people run away and put my dad
when I was born similar story but my mom
said to me, when I was not pregnant you the FBI
kick the door down to my dad in prison
my desk from Harlem that's what point in
LA he got put on the island prison
called terminal island off la on and
there are so many people though rotting
in prison because of the system that
they grew up in poverty creates crime
period rich people or people have enough
they don't really have been sweden
norway the richest country in the world
there's very little run so you can just
blame the people committing the crime
selling drugs but that's over
simplifying you could you have to look
at the bigger problem and you have to
it's justice but also mercy so this guy
had mercy on you and look how you turn
you know how you turned out
that's what about anything it just ended
it but he had mercy that's the lesson
for all of us to remember sometimes you
gotta have justice
sometimes you have to give the benefit
of doubt have mercy I still you know to
this day I still can't believe it
we talked on the day we really yeah
still today he's part of the project
that we're doing you know going forward
with the the biopic and you know I've
taken him on the book tour went to the
White House Champions of Change
uh you know this rally in a community
together talking about the relationship
between grassroot and community because
i had yeah like even with everything
going on out there in the world i had
someone to show me a favor so I had to
say that you know with all the bad and
some good cops out there are good people
out there I used to feel the same way
yeah i was arrested 11 to 12 times easy
yeah it does God showed me a favor that
just changed my life changed my whole
perspective about a lot of pace
yeah I thought nothing great story now
let me fast-forward to you so you
growing up family comes from poverty
like so many people you start you get
this mercy from this police officer some
things transpire you're drafting number
10 in the NBA Draft 2002 tell us best
memory you're there in the NBA who are
some icon playing around you. You were this
rookie you remember the first time
with you look out and this guy walked on the
court and your like man, I used to look up
who was it. We got the shoes on right now
MJ came out there
MJ, MJ fadeaway perfect haha it was it
was a dream come true. Did you guard him?
Yeah. You play off guard
I play I played his last his last game
was in Miami really Pat Riley true
story Pat Riley comes he said I don't
want to see nobody shaking hand I know
he's Michael Jordan I don't gonna shit
nobody shake his hand
nobody conversate with nothing everybody
aight let's go get like you know let's go
beat the wizards cuz he's playin with the
wizards. It's his last game. He's like 40
Yeah 40 still getting it still averaging
twenty games yeah so you know he's like
he comes out standing ovation before the
games start for tip-off Pat Riley said
hold up before the game started I just
want to let everybody know Michael
you're the greatest any raises
his his number in the rafters at the
Miami the Airline Arena so he even
though he never played in miami
He got his number retired in Miami
haha that's never been done in
professional sports history
another time I really don't think that's
why obama's it at that dinner it Michael
Jordan so good that all day that they
can use them to compare to anything it's
like you're the Michael Jordan of
swimming you're like Michael Jordan
business now use the Michael Jordan
Miami but he never played at my other
but he's the greatest. did you guard him
the whole time he scored 20 points in
the first quarter really at the age of
40
wait how old were you I was every bit of 20
talking talking crap you do of course
you gonna be good one day haha
so he's a
gonna be good one day, you gonna good one day
that is classic I
can see. you never playing Larry Bird
never played against Larry
we have Zack in here somewhere or did Zack
actually let me, Zack's there. we say
that say Zack looks like Larry Bird's uncle
little camera on there Zack and if he
favors Larry legend. Larry legend
right there you can you call that press
close it and delete ok so what Michael
Jordan saying to you as a Rookie what
crap did he talk. he was just like too slow
and you know every time I do something
What did he say that one thing? You'll be great one
You'll be great one day young fella after
like he still like he's 40 years old
and he's kicking me right here
what did Jordan say? You'll be great one day fella
You'll be great one day young fella
I gotta remember that line that's great that's
the way to talk shit on the court. you'll be good one day
working with we talk about Jordan we got Poo
Richardson here to plays basketball you a
little bit ahead. what year did you
retire Poo, -2000
yes he came in '02. Poo what's going on
What up brah? - What's good family?
How you feeling? You good? Everythings all right
We got two. -Two lottery picks right here
hey but i gotta i gotta go to my story I
get my story about being drafter #10
aight, I cuz I gotta story it's not as good as them
you know i grew up playing b asketball
in the projects you can't let people tell their
war stories without you telling your's
I'm moved to North Carolina when I was 13 never
picked up a basketball played soccer
out here comes move next door to the
projects so we are housed the bus office
in the project so I remember going to
the basketball court for the first time
we have to get I got there early and
everybody played basketball I
remember picking that all up and being
like this is a hard sport but i would
crazy I start playing 8- 10 hours a
the day about 13. So 15 i went to one of the
biggest high schools and Raleigh knows
basketball country in North Carolina John Wall Stackhouse
Jordan and all them come from Michael
Jordan, So I go JV I get on
JV team at this big inner-city school
the biggest one in about 95 and black me
I was only spanish guy there in like a
hundred white kids and then the coach
came to me this must go to make sure you
get this this is like being drafted
varsity coach came to me that I'm
putting you on Varsity and I was only a
sophomore this went on to win State Championship
so you know I got a little story and it's not like 10 in the draft
not like it's not like, it's this good of the
story, but for me. -That's a special feeling right there
and then our first game
Jerry Stackhouse came out and I was like
wait they have a man on their team they
they had a grown man that came and dunked in
in the, you weren't you got a technical
you know your not allowed to dunk in the warm-up but he
came in there to intimidated. He played in Kingston
Jerry Stackhouse was good in high school. - He was a Pro