POWERS ARE CLOSER TO ONE ANOTHER
THAN EITHER ONE IS TO THE UNITED
STATES.
>> SO RICHARD.
>> YES, SIR.
>> CAN I STOP YOU THERE?
>> YES, SIR.
>> AND LET'S SAY SOMETHING
REALLY UNPOPULAR RIGHT NOW.
WE ARE AT WAR.
THIS WORLD IS AT WAR, AND IT CAN
ESCALATE INTO WORLD WAR III.
WHEN WE WERE IN WORLD WAR II WE
WERE ALLIED WITH ONE OF THE MOST
EVIL MEN OF THE 20th CENTURY IN
STALIN, AND YOU HAVE REPUBLICANS
AND DEMOCRATS BOTH SEEING WHO
CAN BASH CHINA THE MOST.
I UNDERSTAND WHY.
I COULD LIST 1,000 REASONS WHY
WE HAVE TO BASH CHINA.
RIGHT NOW THOUGH, JUST AS YOU
TOLD ME FDR SAID, I WOULD MAKE
AN ALLIANCE WITH THE DEVIL IF IT
WOULD BEAT HITLER.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TO LOOK AT
COUNTRIES LIKE CHINA, WE HAVE TO
LOOK AT COUNTRIES LIKE SAUDI
ARABIA, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT
COUNTRIES THAT WE ARE DEEPLY
OFFENDED BY THEIR ACTIONS IN THE
PAST AND UNDERSTAND THAT WE MAY
BE WHERE FDR WAS VERY, VERY SOON
AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY
TO MAKE -- MAKE IT A COMMON --
HAVE AT LEAST A COMMON
UNDERSTANDING WITH THE CHINESE.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WITH THE
REPUBLICANS AND THE DETECTIVES
DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO
BASH CHINA AROUND THE CLOCK,
WHICH I UNDERSTAND WHY IN
PEACETIME, BUT WHAT INCENTIVE DO
THE CHINESE HAVE TO CROSS PUTIN?
>> YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
THE CHINESE WOULD GO, WHY THE
HELL SHOULD WE DO THE UNITED
STATES ANY SORT OF A FAVOR?
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET REWARDED
FOR IT.
WE STILL HAVE THE TARIFFS IN
PLACE THAT THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION PUT THERE EVEN
THOUGH THERE'S NO SIGN THEY'RE
WORKING.
SO WHY DON'T WE LIFT THOSE?
WHY DON'T WE OFFER TO HAVE A NEW
COMMUNICATE KAY
COMMUNIQUE WITH CHINA?
HE JUST HAD ONE WITH RUSSIA,
WHERE WE TALK ABOUT SOMETHING
THAT MATTERS TO THEM, A
ONE-CHINA POLICY, AND WITH A
COMMITMENT TO TAIWAN MAYBE YOU
DO IT IN A WAY THAT REASSURES
CHINA.
HELP THEM POSSIBLY ON CLIMATE
CHANGE.
WE NEED AN AGENDA, BUT RIGHT NOW
YOU HAVE THIS BAR UNITY OF
BASHING CHINA AND THIS IS NOT
THE TIME FOR IT.
IF PUTIN IS THE MORE STRATEGIC
THREAT TO OUR INTERESTS AND HE
CLEARLY IS, CHINA IS A LONGER
TERM CHALLENGE, WE SHOULD
PRIORITIZE.
WE SHOULD SEQUENCE THIS AND WE
HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY OF
GETTING CHINA MORE DISTANT FROM
MR. PUTIN.
IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD BE IF XI
PICKED UP THE PHONE AND CALLED
PUTIN, THIS ISN'T WORKING FOR
ME, I DON'T WANT TO GET CAUGHT
UP IN THE SECONDARY SANCTIONS
THE AMERICANS ARE PUT ON.
THIS ISN'T HELPING ME GET WHAT I
WANT MORE, MY THIRD TERM, COOL
IT, VLAD.
IMAGINE IF WE COULD ENGINEER
THAT KIND OF A PHONE CALL.
I'M NOT SAYING WE CAN, BUT WOW.
ISN'T THAT THE PURPOSE OF
DIPLOMACY, TO TRY TO MOVE THE
PIECES ON THE CHESS BOARD?
WHY AREN'T WE DOING MORE THERE?
>> THE ONE THING DR. BRZEZINSKI
ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT WHEN HE CAME
ON THE SHOW IS COUNTRIES
SURPRISINGLY ENOUGH ALWAYS ACT
IN THEIR OWN SELF INTEREST.
IT IS INCHEM BENT ON US TO
FIGURE OUT WHAT KIND OF DEAL
WILL THEY TAKE TO GET XI TO PICK
UP THE PHONE, CALL PUTIN AND
TELL HIM TO STOP.
AS RICHARD SAID, THAT IS THE
VERY ESSENCE OF DIPLOMACY.
YOU DO THINGS YOU ARE
UNCOMFORTABLE WITH SOMETIMES.
YOU MOVE OUT OF THAT ZONE OF
COMFORT AND YOU STRIKE DEALS
WITH DIFFERENT -- WE DID IT
AFTER 9/11.
WHAT DID WE HEAR AFTER 9/11?
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE
ALLIANCES WITH COUNTRIES WE MAY
NOT HAVE MADE ALLIANCES WITH
BEFORE WE WERE ATTACKED BY
AL QAEDA, AND THAT'S WHAT WE
DID.
GUESS WHAT.
THE IRANIANS GAVE US A LOT OF
INTEL.
WE WORKED WITH IRAN POST-9/11.
WE WORKED WITH OTHER COUNTRIES
WE WOULD HAVE NEVER IMAGINED
WORKING WITH BEFORE 9/11.
>> RIGHT.
>> WE HAVE TO START THINKING
THAT WAY NOW.
IT WOULD HELP, IT WOULD HELP IF
REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ON
CAPITOL HILL GAVE THE SIGNAL TO
THE WHITE HOUSE THAT THEY
UNDERSTAND WE WERE AT WAR, WE
WANT TO SAVE YU KLAIN,UKRAINE, W
BACK AWAY FROM A POSSIBLE
NUCLEAR CONFRONTATION AND BIDEN
HAS THE SPACE, THE
ADMINISTRATION HAS THE SPACE TO
WORK WITH CHINA.
>> TO DO THIS WELL.
>> TO WORK WITH SAUDI ARABIA TO