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>> Welcome back everyone live here in San Francisco
at Moscone, this is the Cube's live coverage
of Google Next 2019, #googlenext19.
I'm John Furrier with Stu Miniman,
as well as David Vellante, who has been co-host,
he's out there getting stories and getting all the scoop.
We are here with two great guests, Cube alumni's,
Aparna Sinha, the Group Product Manager at Google,
and Chen Goldberg, director of Engineering, Google.
Both the architects of the big wave that we're riding.
Containers, kubernetes, and anthos.
Guys, great to see you, thanks for coming on again.
>> Aparna: Thanks for having us, great to be here.
>> Chen: Thank you.
>> So, you were smirking last night when we saw each other
at the press gathering, knowing what was coming.
I watched the keynote, it was awesome.
I didn't get a chance to see the spotlight session
you guys just had, but Anthos, obviously the rebranding
and the additional integration points
for making things run end to end, this is our
dream come true, Devops Infrastructure as Code
is happening, we've been talking about this for a while,
you guys are behind it all, give us the update.
>> So we've been hard at work over the last eight months
since our last Next.
Can you believe that it's only been eight months?
Last year we were here announcing GK On Prem.
This year we've rebranded CSP to Anthos
and enlarged it and we've moved it to GA.
So that's the big announcement.
In our spotlight we actually walked
through all the pieces and gave three live demos,
as well as had two customers on stage
and really the big difference in the eight months is
while we're moving to GA now we've been working
throughout this time with a set of customers.
We saw unprecedented demand for what we announced last year
and we've had that privilege of working with customers
to build the product, which is what's unique really.
So we had two of those folks up on stage talking
about the transformation that Anthos is creating
in their companies.
>> I want to get to the customer focus
a little bit later, but I want to just
get it out on the record while you're here,
because there's not a lot of time on stage
other than the great demo Jennifer Lynn did.
What actually is the difference,
what's the new things, because obviously
its a rebrand, some people might say,
"Oh, they're just rebranding the announcement
from last year", what were the new things,
what are the new elements of Anthos,
why is it important, what does it mean,
what's under the covers, tell us what's new.
>> Chen: So, first of all lets talk about,
"What is Anthos?"
Anthos is a Google opinionated solution
that lets you right once, deploy anywhere.
Really, the key thing about Anthos is choice.
What we've been hearing from our customers,
how much they appreciate choice in their journey
to the cloud and modernization in general.
The main thing that we have announced
is that everything we have announced last year is GA.
So talking about GK On Prem, Anthos config management
and our marketplace and the control plane
from managing multiple classes, all of that
has moved to GA.
when thinking about choice, we've added new capabilities
and one choice that customers are thinking about,
"Do I need to choose a single cloud provider?"
I had a discussion just yesterday
with one of the customers and they said
that when they exclude a cloud provider
from their strategy, they're actually
blocking their own innovation and that might
get even a bigger risk for them.
So we know that customers are adopting
a multi cloud strategy.
The big announcement here is that we are moving
towards, or maybe we are even leaning more
into multi cloud, we already had other solutions
that we were talking about (mumbles),
talk about open API's, but we are leaning in
towards multi cloud strategy, so that would be one.
The second thing that talks about choice,
is "How do we start?"
One thing we are hearing from our customers
is the importance that they want to innovate
with what they have.
So Anthos migrate, lets them take
their existing applications, package applications
that are running today on VM's and onboard
to Anthos automatically and see value.
So those are the top two announcements
and I think the third one would be around
all the partnerships, which is part of the people
we've been working with in eight months.
>> That's awesome.
>> Stu: I'm sorry, the migrate piece,
that's not GA yet, am I understanding?
>> No, it's moving to beta.
>> So Stu, you and I have been talking about applications,
Renaissance, multi cloud,
obviously is a reality for enterprises.
Now you've got the hybrid model, this is kind of
in the main themes of what this all means with anthem.
So its holistically looking at the cloud,
as you said, not just Google Cloud.
This is a key nuance, its kind of embedded
in the announcement, but its not just Google Cloud.
>> That's right and I think in that sense, Anthos
is a game changer, its not just
an incremental improvement to something
that's existing for customers.
Its not like its just something faster or cheaper
or adds more features, its actually something
that allows them to do something they couldn't do before,
which is, have a consistent platform that they can use
to write once and deploy their workloads anywhere,
On Prem, in GCP and that we had,
but expanding that to any cloud, not just Google Cloud.
>> I want to get your guys' thoughts here
because you've got the brain and trust
inside Google Cloud, because I've been
talking on the cube about this and publicly.
There seems to be confusion around what multi cloud means,
and a company is an enterprise, there's a lot
of things going on in the enterprise,
so certainly the enterprise will have multiple workloads.
There's certain situations that some people say,
"Hey, this workload would be great on this cloud,
this workload would be great on that cloud."
So its not about having a cloud for cloud sig.
"We have to standardize on Google,
we have to standardize on Amazon."
Instead, what I hear, and I want to get
your thoughts and reaction to is,
I'd like to have a workload that has data,
highly addressable, really low laid in the sea,
for this workload, and a cloud for this workload,
but together its multi cloud, this seems to be a trend,
do you guys agree with that?
Is that something that you're seeing,
is that the main message here?
It's not so much standardized on the cloud,
but have multiple clouds, pick the right cloud
for the job, kind of philosophy.
What's your thoughts, this is kind of
a philosophical question.
>> This is exactly what we are hearing from our customers
about their multiple, multi cloud strategy
and exactly what you are saying.
This is actually for most of them is a reality,
either because they have been organically
building things in the cloud or they want to
get to multiple geographies, and it's not only
a cloud vendor, we need to remember that On Prem
is where most of their workloads are still running
and while they still need to innovate or
when you talk about retail or banks,
they have their branches and (mumbles)
what they need to compute at.
Really, services are spread all over.
Now the question is, this kind of situation
creates a lot of risk for our customers.
Security risk and talent fragmentation,
which are related, so how can I manage
all of those environments?
>> The risk is multi cloud, or one cloud?
>> So multi cloud actually increases the risk
even further, so they already have a multicloud reality.
That's their strategy forward, but how can they
mitigate risk with that reality?
We are talking about kubernetes gave you
portability of workloads, but how can you do
portability of skills and making sure that your talent
can really focus where it matters and not be
spread too thin, so this is one example
that I think Anthos is really unique about
using it from our hosted control plane on GCP.
>> So let the workloads decide
what's best for the workloads and let
the clouds naturally use kubernetes.
>> Yeah, I mean one thing I've seen
in our customer base is, you know the line
of business wants to innovate and they want to use
the best service for whatever it is that they're doing
and the different clouds have different types of services,
they have different strengths.
So, you don't want centralized IT to say,
"Hey, no actually you can't do that,
you have to follow this policy."
We've seen many examples where centralized IT
is taking months to approve cloud services
and they've got a backlong of hundreds of services
that they need to approve.
That's really slowing down innovation,
and, "why is that happening?"
Because you don't have a consistent platform
that you can run and use across clouds.
Like you said, kubernetes actually solves that
and so that's why were introducing Anthos
based on kubernetes, so that you don't have that risk,
you don't have that fragmentation
and you can innovate faster.
>> Lets do one more question and with compounds to complexity
is old procurement rules might slow it down.
I've got to buy this.
So the old baggage on procurement standards,
Its kind of a moving train.
>> Yeah, I mean enterprise has its policies,
we've been talking to some of they largest banks,
we had HSBC on stage with us,
we had (mumbles), which is one of the largest grocers,
we have kohls, these companies have policies
and they have compliance requirements
and these are very valid compliance requirements
and they need to be adhered to.
Its just, how can you speed that process up,
and if you have a platform that actually spans
environments, it doesn't look different
in each environment, you can imagine that
simplifies the process, it simplifies
the approval process because the platform's
already pre-approved and then new services as they
come online, if they follow a certain pattern,
they're kubernetes approved services,
then it's much easier to approve them
and it's much easier to unlock that productivity
without increasing risk.
>> If I could poke on that just a little bit
(mumbles) approved services isn't a term I've heard yet.
There are dozens of providers that have kubernetes,
Anthos I know is different but if I go out there
and use kubernetes from a different cloud provider
or a different service provider.
Kubernetes is not a magic layer,
everybody builds lots of stuff on top of that
and a concern is if I just have a platform
that spans all of these environments.
There's skillset challenges and do I also get
a least common denominator.
Cloud is not a utility, GCP is very different
from the other clouds, how do I balance that
and how do I make sure that I'm actually
being able to get the most out of why I choose
a specific platform or cloud.
>> That's where Anthos is that layer
that actually is more than kubernetes.
We have, in Anthos, an opinionated platform
from google that utilizes kubernetes
but it isn't just pure kubernetes,
as you would experience it from the open source
with the fragmentation, we're working with
certified kubernetes distributions
and we've got this marketplace where the applications
that are in the marketplace have been tested and certified
and are supported by a set of partners as well as
by Google Cloud to run on these different distributions
that you connect and register with Anthos.
>> To give maybe another perspective of that,
what we have seen with kubernetes is that
customers do appreciate that consistency.
They have been demanding, for example,
that all kubernetes distribution will be conformed.
We had that announcement when we were on stage today
about consistency and how we can
integrate PKS into Anthos.
I think what customers are telling us,
they don't want us to innovate in that layer.
So they appreciate us using open API's
and using sensibility which is predefined
and actually allows that interoperability of services
and this is something that is really
in the foundation of Anthos.
>> Well you guys have done a great job,
we've been following the progress from day one
and watching the foundation of Google Enterprise.
You guys have been big contributors,
congratulations to your work, it's great to see the progress
and it seems to be, the train's
moving faster on the tracks, so congratulations.
I guess my final question for you guys is, boil down Anthos.
To the folks watching that are in IT,
they're trying to solve some problems,
a lot of people realize and wake up,
"wow I've got multiple clouds."
That's not (mumbles), that's reality.
They see billing statements from multiple vendors
how they still want maybe hybrid,
what does Anthos mean to those people?
What is it about, what is it?
I'm trying to get bumper sticker.
What's the bottom line, what is Anthos?
>> So Anthos gives you a choice without the risk.
That means that they can choose an existing service
or a new green filled service to use,
On Prem or in the cloud.
Containerized or uncontainerized, and they can
build on top of that at their own pace.
So that's the choice and they can mitigate risk
by giving those tools to manage that consistently.
The other thing I would say for something
that we are not talking a lot about because
we are focusing about technology and requirements
and constraints is what we hear about our customers
that Anthos is good for the engineering teams,
and what we hear our customers say,
that because they are choosing this technology,
their talent is appreciating that they can use the best
and latest technology and their skills are portable
to other areas as well and they can attract the best talent.
That to me is a very big value for us that are looking
to do digital transformation.
>> I'll take a crack at it as well, so Anthos
is Google's opinionated solution for hybrid
and multi cloud and it is like Chen said,
something that mitigates risk and gives users choice
so that they're not locked in to a particular cloud
and instead, they can build once and deploy anywhere.
From a technical standpoint, it's three things.
There's a multi cluster, multi cloud, management plane,
that's hosted in Google Cloud.
Number two, there's a service management layer
which actually bridges your monolithic, migrated services
with your green field services that are containerized
and treats them all as services that you can secure,
manage, and control, and then number three,
we have an awesome marketplace from which
you can deploy Google Services, you can also deploy
partner services, and you can deploy them into anywhere
that Anthos is registered and can run.
>> So Anthos embraces the cloud, all clouds, all services.
>> Anthos embraces the user and it puts the user first.
>> Does this benefits, good choice, lock in options,
negotiating contracts, developers love it, ...
Guys congratulations, thanks for the insight,
love the explanation of Anthos, thanks for sharing,
appreciate it. (mumbles)
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