STEVE: OKAY.
SO THERE IS THE PRESIDENT
YESTERDAY, HE WAS BRINGING
REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN FROM
THE GREAT STATE OF
CALIFORNIA, DEVIN NUNES.
RANKING MEMBER OF THE HOUSE
INTEL COMMITTEE.
SIR, GREAT TO HAVE YOU.
THIS STORY ABOUT THE BIDENS
HAS BEEN PERCOLATING, YOU
KNOW, JUST BELOW THE SURFACE
IN WASHINGTON FOR A WHILE.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
IT'S THE ONLY THE LEAST BEST
KEPT SECRET IN WASHINGTON.
JOHN SOLOMON FROM THE HILL
HAS HAD THIS FOR MONTHS AND
MONTHS AND MONTHS.
NUMEROUS STORIES ABOUT IT.
RUDY GIULIANI HAS BEEN ON
EVERY MAINSTREAM MEDIA NEWS
SHOW SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
UKRAINES HAVE BEEN COMING TO
CONGRESS MEETING WITH
NUMEROUS MEMBERS OF
CONGRESS.
THEY CLAIM THEY HAVE
DOCUMENTS THAT WE WOULD HAVE
AN INTEREST IN THAT RELATE
TO THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION
AS IT RELATES TO THIS BLACK
LEDGER, SOME PEOPLE HAVE
HEARD OF THIS AND THEY CLAIM
THAT'S DISINFORMATION.
AND THEY ALSO CLAIM THAT
THIS CONTRACT WITH BIDEN'S
SON WAS A PROBLEM.
SO, THE IDEA THAT YOU FAST
FORWARD ALL THE WAY TO LATE
JULY THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP
WOULD HAVE SOME CONVERSATION
TRYING TO PRESSURE THE
UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT DOESN'T
ADD UP.
BECAUSE EVERYONE KNEW IT
INCLUDING THE PRESIDENT'S
OWN PERSONAL LAWYER RUDY
GIULIANI.
BRIAN: THE QUESTION IS GOING
TO THE "THE WASHINGTON
POST."
THE WHISTLEBLOWER EVIDENTLY
IS SPEAKING TO SOMEBODY
WHILE IS HE WAITING TO FIND
OUT IF HE CAN SPEAK TO YOUR
COMMITTEE, ADAM SCHIFF NOW
CHAIRS.
HE SAID 8 TIMES THE
PRESSURE -- THE PRESIDENT
BROUGHT IT UP.
AND, IN TURN, MYSTERIOUSLY
THE AID, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
WAS HELD UP TO UKRAINE
MYSTERIOUSLY BETWEEN JULY
AND AUGUST.
THEY WONDER IF THERE WAS A
LINK.
WOULD IT BOTHER IF YOU THERE
WAS A LINK BETWEEN THAT?
>> WELL, I THINK IT IS VERY
TOUGH TO SPECULATE.
BUT I WANT TO GO BACK AND
JUST, YOU KNOW, REITERATE
WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
THE UKRAINIANS WERE TRYING
TO GIVE US THIS INFORMATION
THERE WOULD BE NO REASON
WHY -- THEY JUST WANT TO
GIVE IT TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE
IN OUR GOVERNMENT ACE
UNDERSTOOD IT.
SO, IN THE RIGHT PLACE TO
SEND THAT INFORMATION WOULD
BE THE DEPARTMENT OF
JUSTICE.
AINSLEY: AMERICANS ARE
NOT -- WE DON'T TRUST OTHER
COUNTRIES.
UKRAINE, CAN WE EVEN TRUST
WHAT THEY SAY.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS MAN
WHO IS RUNNING FOR
PRESIDENT.
HE WAS OUR VICE PRESIDENT.
HE HAS ADMITTED ON CAMERA
THAT HE WANTED TO FIRE THIS
PROSECUTOR.
HE ENDED UP FIRING HIM
WITHIN SEVERAL HOURS.
AND THEN HE SAYS HE NEVER
TALKED TO HIS SON ABOUT HIS
SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS
ENDEAVORS.
BUT THEN HIS SON TELLS THE
NEW YORKER MAGAZINE YES, I
DID TALK TO MY DAD ABOUT IT
ONCE.
WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH AND
WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?
ISN'T THAT THE REAL ABUSE OF
POWER OR IS THE PRESIDENT
HAVING THIS CONVERSATION?
>> WELL, THE VERY THING THEY
ARE ACCUSING PRESIDENT TRUMP
OF DOING, BIDEN DID.
AND ADMITTED THAT HE DID.
SO, AND I JUST GO BACK TO
IT, WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT?
THIS IS A WHISTLE BLOWER AS
YOU SAID, BRIAN, THAT
SUPPOSEDLY WANTS TO REMAIN
SECRET.
YET, ALL HIS SECRETS, HIS OR
HER SECRETS ARE SPILLING OUT
IN THE PAGES OF THE "NEW
YORK TIMES," "THE WASHINGTON
POST," NBC NEWS.
WE HAVE NO IDEA.
THIS COULD NOT EVEN BE ABOUT
UKRAINE.
WE HAVE SEEN ABSOLUTELY
NOTHING.
WE GOT BRIEFED LAST WEEK
FROM THE ICIG CAME AND MET
WITH US.
DIDN'T TELL US ANY
INFORMATION.
SO WE ARE SUPPOSED TO MEET
WITH WEEK WITH THE ACTING
D&I.
MAYBE WE WILL GET MORE
INFORMATION URGE.
BRIAN: THIS IS WHAT THE
PRESIDENT WAS REFERRING.
TO SAY KNOW HE WHAT THE
CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT.
I THINK THERE WAS NO
PRESSURE.
THIS CONVERSATION WAS LONG.
IT WAS FRIENDLY.
IT TOUCHED ON MANY
QUESTIONS, SOMETIMES
REQUIRING SERIOUS ANSWERS.
THEY ARE CONCERNED BECAUSE
UKRAINIANS NEED OUR MONEY SO
MUCH AND SUPPORT SO MUCH
THEY DON'T WANT TO GET
INVOLVED IN AMERICAN
POLITICS.
>> RIGHT.
BRIAN: THEY ARE FRONT AND
CENTER.
BIG STORY WITH UKRAINE IS
PRESIDENT OBAMA LET THEM GET
CAUGHT UP WITH THE RUSSIANS
AND GAVE THEM BLANKETS AND
MREs AND THIS PRESIDENT
GAVE THEM LETHAL WEAPONS TO
DEFEND THEMSELVES.
>> NO ONE WAS CONCERNED
ABOUT RUSSIA UNTIL AFTER
HILLARY CLINTON LOST THE
ELECTION.
OF THE REPUBLICANS ON THE
HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE
AND IN THE HOUSE WERE
PRESSURING THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION, HEY, HERE IS
MONEY.
GET WEAPONS TO THE
UKRAINIANS THEY DIDN'T CARE
ABOUT RUSSIA UNTIL AFTER THE
ELECTION.
THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN RAUSH
WAS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM ON
THE FACE OF THE PLANET.
I THINK WHAT THIS ULTIMATELY
AMOUNTS TO YOU SEE BIDEN IS
FLAILING, I THINK, IN THE
POLLS.
ALMOST LOOKS LIKE SOME TYPE
6 POLITICAL OPERATION.
DOESN'T IT FEEL LIKE THE
RUSSIA HOAX ALL OVER AGAIN?
ALMOST LIKE THE UKRAINIAN
HOAX.
STEVE: WHAT ABOUT THE
WHISTLE BLOWER APPARENTLY
THE STORY IS ON FRIDAY WE
ALL PRESUMED THAT THIS WAS
SOMEBODY WHO HAD ACTUALLY
HEARD THE PRESIDENT SAY IT
OR READ THE TRANSCRIPT.
NOW IT HAS BEEN REVEALED.
I THINK CNN REVEALED
APPARENTLY THIS PARTICULAR
PERSON HAD NO DIRECT
KNOWLEDGE OF IT.
>> RIGHT.
STEVE: ALMOST SOUNDED LIKE
HE HAD HEARD SOMEBODY SAY
SOMETHING.
BRIAN: HE HAD A CUP AGAINST
THE WALL.
STEVE: NOW HIS COMPLAINT IS
THE WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT
AND THAT'S WHY THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE SAYS
NO IT DOESN'T RISE TO THE
LEVEL WHERE YOU AND CONGRESS
WOULD WIND UP SAYING IT?
>> ONE OF THE THINGS I SAID
YESTERDAY IF CONGRESS GETS
TO LISTEN IN AND READ
TRANSCRIPTS OF THE
PRESIDENT'S TALKING, I MEAN,
I'M ALL FOR IT BUT I WANT TO
START WITH WHAT DID BIDEN
SAY TO THE UKRAINIANS?
WHAT DID OBAMA SAY TO PUTIN?
AINSLEY: PRESIDENT SAID I
WANT TO RELEASE THE
TRANSCRIPTS THE QUESTION IS
COUNTY WORLD LEADERS TRUST
ME?
I NEED TO HAVE ARE
CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM
THERE IS A FINE LINE THERE.
BRIAN: REMEMBER WHEN JULIAN
ASSANGE LET ALL THOSE STATE
DEPARTMENT CABLES OUT HOW
EMBARRASSING IT WAS?
>> REMEMBER, THE PRESIDENT
HAD -- REMEMBER, HE HAD HIS
TRANSCRIPTS WITH THE MEXICAN
PRIME MINISTER LEAK OUT.
AND THE AUSTRALIAN PRIME
MINISTER LEAK OUT.
SO THIS WOULD JUST BE
ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THAT
WHERE PIECES OF HIS PRIVATE
CONVERSATIONS ARE LEAKING
OUT ALL OVER.
BRIAN: GUESS WHAT YOU ARE
GOING TO BE DOING.
TALKING IMPEACHMENT.
HERE ARE THE DEMOCRATS
LETTING US KNOW WE HAVE NO
CHOICE.
LISTEN.
>> THIS WOULD BE THE MOST
PROFOUND VIOLATION OF THE
PRESIDENTIAL OATH OF OFFICE.
THERE IS NO PRIVILEGE THAT
COVERS CORRUPTION.
>> WE KNOW THAT THERE IS
ABSOLUTELY NO EQUIVALENCE
BETWEEN HUNTER BIDEN AND JOE
BIDEN AND WHAT THIS
PRESIDENT IS -- HAS
POTENTIALLY DONE.
WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH
IMPEACHMENT.
NOT EVEN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY
AT THIS POINT.
WE ARE BEYOND THAT WE ARE AT
IMPEACHMENT, PERIOD.
>> EVERYBODY WANTS TO
IMPEACH BUT WE DON'T KNOW
WHAT FOR.
I WILL GO BACK, TO WE HAVE
NO IDEA WHAT THIS
WHISTLEBLOWER HAS EVEN IF HE
HAS ANYTHING.
BRIAN: MICHAEL HOROWITZ IS
ABOUT TO COME OUT WITH HIS
REPORT.
DID HE AT THIS
DID HE TT THIS
DID HE TIPTHIS
DID HE TIP YIS
DID HE TIP YOU OFF WHAT
COULD BE IN IT AND WHAT WE
SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON.
>> REMEMBER, HOUSE
REPUBLICANS ON THE
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE
ALREADY SURMISED AND CAME
OUT WITH A REPORT THAT THERE
WAS FISA ABUSE.
SO WE KNOW THERE WAS FISA
ABUSE.
THE ONLY QUESTION IS THERE
WAS FOUR RENEWALS ON IT.
FOUR SEPARATE TIMES THEY
WENT TO THE FISA COURT.
WE BELIEVE ALL FOUR OF THOSE
WERE FRAUDULENT.
WE HOPE THAT THERE IS NEW
EVIDENCE THAT WHO ARE WIGHTS
IS ABLE TO GET IS, YOU KNOW,
WHEN DID THIS INVESTIGATION
BEGIN?
WHEN DID THEY FIRST TAKE
THIS TO THE FISA COURT?
AND WAS THERE A CONSPIRACY
INVOLVED?
WHO WAS INVOLVED IN PUTTING
ALL OF THIS TOGETHER BECAUSE
ULTIMATELY WE WANT TO SEE
PEOPLE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR
THEIR ACTIONS HERE.
STEVE: BEFORE YOU LEAVE.
GIVEN ALL OF THIS NEWS ABOUT
UKRAINE.
DO YOU THINK THAT THAT COULD
ACTUALLY BE REALLY BAD NEWS
FOR JOE BIDEN AND SPELL THE
END OF HIS CAMPAIGN?
>> I JUST HAVE TO THINK THAT
NONE OF THIS IS HELPING JOE
BIDEN AT ALL.
HIS LEAD -- HE STARTED IN
THE HIGH 30'S.
IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE EARLY
STATES, IS HE BASICALLY
EITHER TIED OR BEHIND.
WHETHER THAT'S
IOWA,CALIFORNIA, SO I DON'T
THINK IT LOOKS GOOD FOR HIM.
AND LOOK.
AINSLEY: PROGRESSIVE RUNNING