hello hey anyone hey what's up all right
well I'm coming in with my hands up so
so don't shoot okay
you got you guys pretty much body those
other guys um you know I was kind of
interested in the first caller what you
know he kind of he kind of had my
question answered and my question was um
what would be what would convince you
that that God exists and I don't I think
you responded to him well I think you
responded to an the correct me if I'm
wrong you responded to him by saying
that it it wouldn't matter of God
existed or not God could appear in front
of me right now and says I am God will
praise or worship me no no no no no I
would believe if a God appeared to me
right now and demonstrated that he
actually exists I would of course
believe that that God exists but that
doesn't mean I'd worship it separate
things
I believe Donald Trump is president but
I'm not [ __ ] saluting him because I
don't have to anymore I'm no I'm no
longer in the military if I was in the
military I still would because it's
required but the the there's a different
thing there's what would convince you
that God exists and my answer is I don't
know and in the follow-up to that of
course which everybody's heard probably
a hundred times at this point is I don't
know what it would take to convince me
that God exists but God should know and
God should be capable of doing it and
the fact that he hasn't means that he
either doesn't exist or doesn't want me
to know he exists right now either way
it's not my problem but a God could
exist and demonstrate that he exists and
I still wouldn't worship it well you
know it's month it's my position that
it's not possible to prove to somebody
that God exists I think you don't know
why would anybody believe if there's no
one if there's no way to demonstrate it
why would you believe well I mean we can
we can go there um I'm a Christian and I
believe that the biblical God I'm not a
I'm not in a denomination I just go
screw my foundation in the Bible so you
believe in the God that supports slavery
and misogyny and slaughtering off the
malachite sand everything else yeah
that's the same God yeah well the way
you're putting it is kind of
disingenuous by my aching assets dis is
no no let's not say that this is
disingenuous what's disingenuous is
pretending that the God of the Bible is
not in favor of slavery and misogyny and
genocide and genocide and incest yeah
well they're specific rules about incest
and who you can and can't sleep with
father daughters evidently not
off-limits but the rest of them are hey
explain that to Lawton Moses Ryan whoa
let's go tonight anyway hey when you say
something's disingenuous in what way am
i misrepresenting the God of the Bible
well what you're saying that God like
when you when you speak of slavery
you're talking about Exodus 21 like oh I
know what you were first I know what
you're referring to
I'm well aware of those those verses but
what I'm saying is when you're referring
to flavor you're speaking about like the
kind of we had a hundred years ago in
America no I'm not I'm talking about
what's in exodus - is it is it nor no I
bet you don't that I'm I bet you don't
you wouldn't have called me I you
wouldn't call me disingenuous is it
morally correct to own another person as
property no does the Bible does the
Bible allow people to own other people
as property it does then why why so
you've just admitted the Bible advocates
for something you view as immoral how am
I being disingenuous well if it's the
way because I know the way you're
looking at it and I know the way I just
told you no no no you don't get to pull
some context [ __ ] you just agreed
with me the Bible advocates my point is
I agree with you context is critical
right I'm not wrong on the context you
just agreed with me the Bible advocates
for something immoral right but you know
I was right because I know what you mean
by slavery no I'm talking about what the
Bible means by slavery that you shall
buy your slaves from it we shall buy
your slaves from the heathen that
surround you that they are your money
and your property
I'm the they are your money and your
property that you can pass on to your
children and you can beat them as long
as they don't die within a couple of
days where am i where am i and where I
am you could be he didn't stop that wait
did you say it doesn't say you can beat
them Oh your breath I thought you
thought you knew it I thought you knew
Exodus 20 no I'm right I know I know
what I know what first you're talking
about but if you read that verse it
doesn't say that God said that you can
do that he's saying if this happened
this is what needs to be done are you an
idiot a you can are you an idiot no I
know you're not I know you're not this
is what's so terribly embarrassing this
is what is absolutely frustrating to me
it's the reason why I bring up this all
the time okay it says specifically if
someone beats is male or female servant
and they die that person is to be
punished but if they survive for a
couple of days that person is not to be
punished is it morally above man is it
moral that is it [ __ ] moral I'm down
you stop on talking is it moral to beat
another human being as long as they
don't die within a couple days I would
say no but okay that's good just read
are you saying that God commanded a
mandate or told a man that he could beat
his servant are you saying that Exodus
21 is not from God no no it's it's God
inspired but what I'm saying it doesn't
say that God said that you can do that
or does it say if this happens this is
what needs to be done okay
so let me have it let me see if I can
frame let me see if I can frame this a
little differently if we don't have a
long hang on if we don't make a law okay
that prohibits per treat police
brutality but instead we say if a
policeman beats a black man and he
doesn't die within a couple days he gets
off is that moral I mean it but that's
that scripture also doesn't say that the
person just get off like that yes it
does
well yes it does it no oh my god look
so so so that's matched looking this up
while you talk in the meantime I got to
ask you man how hard would it have been
for God to have just prohibited it to
say thou shalt not own other people as
property how about how about other how
about other immoral
of immoral things what about what about
spousal rate here we go why didn't God
and their owner who hits his male or
female slave in the eye and destroys it
must let the save go free and compensate
for the iron owner who knocks out a
tooth of male or female slave must let
the slave go free it's not an eye for an
eye when it comes to slaves it's you
must let them go free it's a completely
different set of Justice if a man beats
his slave and he doesn't die he is not
to be punished because the slave is his
property Exodus 21 29 G because he's his
property right and so what I'm saying is
that there's it does it doesn't imply
that nothing exactly is gonna happen to
him because of that it just says he's
just not gonna be responsible for the
death of that person no that was not
what it said Israel could still that's
not what it says it said right it would
not be punished for the death of that
that servant that's not what it says it
says he will be punished for the death
of his servant you can't even stay on
what it actually says if a man beats a
slave and he dies with and he dies that
man has to be punished if the slave does
not die within a day or two that man is
not to be punished because the slave is
his property his money that's what it
says right and and that is from God at
least God inspired is what's supposed to
be the message here it is right I swear
I'm not trying to be a dick Ryan but it
breaks my heart in a serious way for
people anybody to make excuses for
something that they acknowledge plainly
is grossly immoral that has led to the
subjugation of people for ages and I
don't have to do [ __ ] you want me to
hang up well I'm sitting here talking
about your on hold I'm sitting here
explaining how absolute I wake up every
day
every single day in a world where the
majority of people believe in batshit
crazy stuff that is also evil and
contributes to the destruction of
society and when I talk to people who
believe this who want to talk about oh
you're getting it out of context you're
just not considering that that's [ __ ]
[ __ ]
I read you the verses when we're not
looking at the verses you don't
necessarily get them right but you agree
that this is immoral that people aren't
property that you shouldn't be allowed
to beat them as long as they don't die
that you shouldn't be buying them from
the people around you and yet you are
sitting here bending over backwards and
accusing me of being disingenuous and
taking it out of context in order to
make excuses why not just acknowledge
that book is grossly immoral and you and
I are both better than that book why is
that so hard there are by the way
Christians I've talked to who say hey
those verses are immoral I don't think
those verses even necessarily came from
a God the God I believe in would not do
that the Bible is not de facto perfect
it is the result of men why not do that
and then you don't have to embarrass
yourself and and contribute to a culture
that is amplifying immorality and
pretending that it's moral that is
permissible
why not do that you're back on by the
way okay yeah so I mean I mean you're
right I did I did I did misspeak about
the verse but this is it's only because
I'm trying to I'm trying to get in there
but you just keep jumping back in and
I'm trying to yeah I want to I want to
explore explain what's going on because
again context is in court and before you
know they don't pen with Matt really
quick all right go ahead just really
quick
do you recognize you're trying to
justify slavery like is that something
that you recognize right now and you
could quibble about definitions and
that's fine but you do realize you're
you're justified slavery right no I mean
you
Cisse will you to save definitions you
keep that's because this was a quick
question because you're talking a lot I
just wanted to ask do you even recognize
it okay
slavery slit there was a there was
slavery back in those days but what what
in Israel the the whole servant thing is
not like slave trade I was going on back
in those days now now even though the
guy did beat his servant and if he lives
but he still he still has to go in front
of the judges after that I mean as you
read into verses
besides that um if he harms his servant
he had to lead to go be let go free I
mean back in those days when somebody
was a servant like when um like people
would be a servant for a certain amount
of years to pay off a debt no no no no
no no no Ryan no indenture intention
servitude is already immoral and slaves
didn't necessarily of rights but that's
not what we're talking about here let me
let me cut to the chase Ryan would you
be my slave under the rules established
in Exodus 21 if if I if I could be a
slave but doesn't say slaves his service
oh my god Ryan would you be my servant
under the rules of accident you know
shut up would you be my servant under
the rules of Exodus 21 it's a bad idea
don't do it why does this take even half
a [ __ ] second this is the
embarrassing thing I'm gonna I'm gonna
I'm gonna let you go Ryan I've already
hung up because I want you to go and
think about this I'm not joking when I
talk about how much this breaks my
[ __ ] heart to watch the poison that
religion has imbued people with to the
point where they will bend over
backwards and hem and haw about the
easiest question I could ask our people
property can you beat them would you be
my slave my servant if you want to
pedantically it wasn't written in
English anyway
under what Exodus 21 says it is grossly
immoral it is an embarrassment that
anybody would pause for more than half
us
second to answer that question think
about what your religion has done to
your head it is making you a slave to
the religion because you no longer have
the free will and exercise to say this
is wrong I don't understand how things
that are obviously wrong just because
there is somebody's book you've got to
bend over backwards well you got to
think about the times and it wasn't like
you know 150 years ago it was you know
way back in the Israelites and there
were people who owe debts yes and there
were completely different rules for how
to let your Jewish slaves go after seven
years and then how you could trick [ __ ]
them into being your slaves forever and
how every fifty years was a year jubilee
and everybody got to go free fifty years
fifty years so when I buy a slave at
eight when they're fifty eight argue
letting go oh but mat what if the 50
years falls on their tenth birthday you
only had them for two great I don't buy
an eight year old I wait two years and I
buy the 11 year old and I get him for
forty nine years there is literally no
way to make what that book says about
slavery remotely moral and it's in bit I
tell you what because I talk about this
all the time it's the prime example it's
the one I think is most obvious to
people that most people get and I trust
that Ryan will actually get it to I
don't know what he'll end up doing about
it I don't know what anybody will end up
doing about it
but for the people who are like Oh Matt
just keeps harping on slavery yes if you
had a book that said it's okay to cut
off your daughter's hand what excuses
would you make for that and I would
argue that cutting off somebody's hand
is probably less harmful to them overall
than maintaining them as a slave that
you can beat and punish and sell off and
give to your kids as their their
inheritance you know I can live without
a hand I can't live without freedom I
can't live a good moral humanist
valuable life without that freedom and
the people who are willing to sacrifice
basic freedoms actually they're not
because Ryan knows that there's no way
he would ever be my servant under Exodus
twenty-one what's actually going on in
Ryan's head is I can't say that because
that would be me
denying and denouncing the Bible and my
religious beliefs won't allow me to do
that
that is the poison that religion abused
the population with and it has to stop
I would I would love to never bring up
Exodus 21 again forever if the Christian
community and the Jewish community would
just get together and say this is
[ __ ] wrong we're going to at least
ignore this passage in Exodus we're oh
you chose after ignore the one in
Leviticus and the one in Deuteronomy and
the fact that in the New Testament Jesus
never says anything against slavery and
the only thing Paul ever says is slaves
obey your masters in the Lord even the
cruel ones which is the exact wrong
thing to say to anybody there's a reason
the slavery comes up over and over and
over and over again because it should be
as obvious as whether or not the Sun
goes around the earth now that you
actually have the evidence for