( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) >> Stephen: WITHHOLDING THINGS
THAT BELONG TO US.
HEY, EVERYBODY!
WE'RE BACK WITH THE AUTHOR OF "BETRAYAL," ABC NEWS CHIEF
WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT JONATHAN KARL.
YO WENT DOWN TO MAR-A-LAGO AND INTERVIEWED THE FORMER PRESIDENT
FOR THE BOOK, AS YOU SAID.
>> YEAH.
>> Stephen: AFTER JANUARY 6th, JOHN KELLY SAID
THAT HE, TO YOU, I BELIEVE, THAT HE BELIEVED THE PRESIDENT WAS
MENTALLY UNFIT TO SERVE IN THE OVAL OFFICE.
>> HE WANTED THE 25 25th AMENDMENT TO BE INVOKED
IMMEDIATELY.
HE TOLD ME THAT WHILE THE RIOTERS WERE STILL IN THE
BUILING, THEY SHOULD MEET NOW AND GET HIM OUT NOW.
>> Stephen: YOU'VE TALKED TO THE MAN RECENTLY.
WHAT IS HIS MENTAL STATE?
>> UM -- ( LAUGHTER )
THAT'S A -- THAT'S A TOUGH ONE.
LOOK, I WENT DOWN TO SEE HIM THE FIRST INTERVIEW FOR THE BOOK WAS
IN MAR-A-LAGO, JUST ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AFTER HE LEFT
OFFICE, AND, YOU KNOW, HE LOOKED FINE, HE LOOKED FIT.
A LOT OF PRESIDENTS AGE IN OFFICE.
HE DOESN'T SEEM HE ACTUALLY AGED IN OFFICE, IT'S WEIRD.
>> Stephen: YES.
SOME PEOPLE DON'T AGE.
IT'S SUSPICIOUS, JONATHAN KARL.
>> IT'S VERY SUSPICIOUS.
BUT HE WAS UTTERLY DELUSIONAL ESPECIALLY IN TALKING ABOUT THE
EVENTS OF JANUARY 6th.
>> Stephen: WE HAVE A CLIP HERE.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE?
>> YES, I WAS TALKING TO HIM ABOUT THE DAY.
>> Stephen: AND WHERE ARE YOU TALKING TO HIM BECAUSE IT SOUNDS
WEIRD.
>> IT'S WEIRD.
SORRY FOR THE SOUND.
IT'S AT MAR-A-LAGO.
HE MADE ME TO THIS INTERVIEW IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LOBBY OF
MAR-A-LAGO RIGHT BEFORE DINNER.
HE WANTED EVERYONE WHO CAME TO DINNER SEE HIM BEING
INTERVIEWED.
THAT'S WHY YOU HEAR PEOPLE WALKING BY.
HE SAID TERRIBLE THINGS ABOUT ME.
BUT IN THE TRANSCRIPT TO HAVE THE INTERVIEW HE SAID, I'M WITH
THE GREAT JONATHAN KARL, HERE HE IS.
THIS IS A GUY LOT OF NAMES.
BUT HE WANTED TO BE SEEN.
>> SOME PEOPLE WERE SAYING 1776, AND IT'S RIGGED AND BEING
STOLEN, WHY NOT CHARGE THE CAPITOL.
>> I HAD NOT HEARD THAT BUT PEOPLE WERE VERY ANGRY.
PEOPLE WERE THERE, THAT CROWD, THE PRESS, THE FAKE NEWS, WHICH
IS FAKE, NEVER TALKED ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE CROWD.
THAT WAS A MASSIVE CROWD.
>> Stephen: HE'S MISSING THE NARRATIVE HERE.
IT'S ABOUT WHETHER HE'S POPULAR.
>> YEAH, I'M ASKING HIM ABOUT A RIOT, ONE TO -- ONE OF THE DARK
DAYS IN AMERICAN HISTORY AND HE'S TALKING ABOUT HOW MANY
PEOPLE CAME OUT TO SEE HIM.
>> Stephen: I KNOW YOU HAD A FACT ABOUT MIKE PENCE.
>> I FOUND OUT MIKE PENCE HAD WITH HIM THE ENTIRE TIME AN
OFFICIAL WHITE HOUSE PHOTOGRAPHER WHO CAPTURED IMAGES
OF THAT ENTIRE PERIOD INCLUDING THE ROUGHLY FIVE HOURS WHERE
PENCE WAS HIDDEN AWAY IN THE BOWELS OF THE CAPITOL IN A PLACE
NO ONE'S EVER KNOWN BECAUSE HE REFUSED TO LEAVE.
THEY GOT HIM OUT OF THE SENATE CHAMBER AND TOOK HIM SOMEWHERE.
>> Stephen: WHILE PEOPLE WERE ERECTING GALLOWS ACROSS THE
STREET.
>> I GOT AHOLD OF THE PHOTOGRAPHER AND SAW THE
PHOTOGRAPHS.
>> Stephen: YOU SAW THEM.
I SAW THE PHOTOGRAPHS.
IT WAS WILD TO SEE HE WAS IN A LOADING DOCK IN AN UNDERGROUND
PARKING GARAGE BENEATH THE CAPITOL COMPLEX.
HE HAD NO PLACE TO SIT IN THE CONCRETE PARKING GARAGE, YOU
KNOW, WITH HIS FAMILY.
THIS IS THE VICE PRESIDENT TO HAVE THE UNITED STATES -- THE
VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND HE'S HOLED UP IN A
BASEMENT, AND I WENT TO THE VICE PRESIDENT, FORMER
VICE PRESIDENT, AND I ASKED HIM IF I COULD ACCOMPLISH THOSE
PHOTOGRAPHS -- I THINK THEY'RE PART OF THE HISTORICAL RECORD.
>> Stephen: ONE OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS IS HIM LITERALLY
LOOKING AT THE TWEET OF THE PRESIDENT SAYING --
>> ONE OF THEM IS HIS CH CHIEF O STAFF SHOWING HIM HIS PHONE AND
IT'S THE TWEET OF TRUMP SAYING MIKE PENCE DIDN'T HAVE THE
COURAGE.
THIS IS THE GUY WHO FLED THE RIOTERS AND TRUMP IS SAYING HE
DIDN'T HAVE THE COURAGE.
KIND OF LOOKS LIKE PENCE IS GRIMACING BUT YOU CAN NEVER
REALLY TELL, I DON'T KNOW.
( LAUGHTER ) BUT THE FIGHT REFERRED TO IS
THEY REFUSED TO LET ME PUBLISH THE PHOTOGRAPHS.
BUT I HAVE A SUSPICION THE JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE IS GOING
TO WANT TO SEE THOSE PHOTOS.
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) >> Stephen: AND THOSE AREN'T
HIS PHOTOS.
>> NO, THEY'RE YOUR PHOTOS, THEY'RE EVERYBODY'S PHOTOS.
>> Stephen: WE PAID FOR THOSE.
YES, TAKEN BE I THE WHITE HOUSE PHOTOGRAPHER.
>> Stephen: PART OF THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES.
>> YES, AND PART OF THE HISTORICAL RECORD ON THE DAY WE
NEEDED TO SEE THE RECORD.
>> Stephen: JONATHAN, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
>> Stephen: THE BOOK IS "BETRAYAL."
AVAILABLE NOVEMBER 16.
JONATHAN KARL, EVERYBODY!
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH BRANDI CARLILE.
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