OPRAH: So let's start right there
-- because I think that what you
just said is the key that unlocks
the path to a successful life.
And that is, trust life.
BROTHER DAVID: That is the beginning.
OPRAH: That is the beginning. Right?
Isn't that the foundation?
BROTHER DAVID: That's the foundation
of everything.
OPRAH: And that's what ultimately
faith is, is it not?
BROTHER DAVID: We can withhold that
trust or we can give it.
And if we withhold it, we can cry
whenever we want when everything
goes wrong.
OPRAH: How can people learn to not
withhold it when you feel like life
has given you an unfair shot?
How can you develop faith, maintain,
sustain faith when you really think
life has been really unfair.
BROTHER DAVID: I too quickly say,
well, yes, you should trust in life.
I would be very careful.
But it's the only thing that you can say.
Because -- and you ask, how can I prove
that life is worth trusting?
If you know the person well enough and
can really speak from heart to heart,
that's also necessary.
But you can make them look back on
their life. And there we see that
even the worst things that happened
to them turned out to be life giving.
if you look back on your life,
you see situations and times when
everything seemed to be just terrible.
Terrible. Catastrophe.
OPRAH: Yes.
BROTHER DAVID: And then, out of this
catastrophe, not in spite of it.
Even because of it you got where you are.
And that is so encouraging.
But you see mostly when you look in
the real mirror, so to say,
when you look back.
And when you look forward,
you can't see it.
Otherwise you wouldn't be in the
difficult situation.
OPRAH: Correct. And I think also
developing a trust in life even
when the hard times come,
you know you'll get through it.