When it comes to fight analysis, I've been asked to do much lengthier analysis videos
on certain matchups. The mini-theories were always intended to be as such as they were:
Mini-Theories. However, I did want to do a one-off video to see if you guys would
like some of these longer videos. I'm joined by a very special guest today,
my fellow analyst and friend Tylearn. Today we'll be doing Cobra Kai Fight
Analysis – in-depth discussion on requested matchups from you, the viewer.
So the first fight we have is Daniel and Johnny versus Chozen; all three of them in their Season
3 incarnations. As we already know, it is implied in Season 3 Chozen at this point surpassed Daniel
as being not only the better fighter, but also the better sensei; using Miyagi-Do pressure
points that would go on to save his life later on. Although Chozen does have experience with
multiple opponents, you know Daniel and Johnny are kind of a little bit of a different story.
Daniel of course did beat Chozen with the Drum Technique and at this point,
Johnny is equal in terms of strength. In the original analysis i predicted that Daniel and
Johnny could easily, you know, beat him with the numbers game - because Chozen
might do the Miyagi-Do pressure points on somebody; trying to do it on Johnny,
but Daniel would know how to counter that and would try to like, kick Chozen out of the way.
So my prediction is that Daniel and Johnny would win this fight. What do you think?
Tylearn: Personally Stryfe, I believe that Chozen would get overwhelmed, given the fact that
even Daniel was able to surprise Chozen and get the jump on him in the end of their training.
And yes, they are training, but the thing is this is the best we see Chozen really,
and Chozen as other techniques but we really don't know what they're capable of. And so
basically I'm going to say Daniel and Johnny are able to take on Chozen, given the fact that Daniel
is able to actually off guard him and surprise him, and Johnny would be stronger than Daniel,
via you know outscaling him in their fights with Kreese - since Daniel fought a damaged
Kreese and lost, whereas Johnny just dominated a healthy Kreese. And so,
I think the two of them might be able to actually beat Chozen. However, if you want
to say that Chozen just pressure points and kills on sight, then that's definitely possible as well.
Now, Dutch versus Mike Barnes is a pretty crazy match narratively. I mean, throw in Hawk and it
would just be an insane fight of rage and just aggressiveness. However though, I think Mike
Barnes is a lot more skilled than Dutch, given the fact that we know that Johnny is stronger than
Dutch, Johnny lost to Daniel, Daniel gets more stronger and you know trains in Karate Kid III,
and basically beats Mike Barness via off guarding him and confusing him with kata,
and can't beat him in a normal fight in terms of like, you know, power. Before he was losing to
fear, he tried fighting Mike Barnes and just got completely humiliated. What do you think, Stryfe?
Stryfe: The interesting thing about this matchup too is that if you remember the original Karate
Kid film: Dutch scores one point on Daniel, Daniel scores one point on Dutch, and typically I think
in that preliminary round, it was the first to two - first of three. Because the way it was edited,
we never really got to see Dutch's true potential. So that's another thing as well,
we know Dutch is the predecessor to Hawk, just how aggressive he was and how he pretty much was about
to start a fight by himself in the locker room with Daniel. However, I do agree with your opinion
though that Mike Barnes would win this, just given what we know about Mike Barnes. He's a national
karate fighter, has won several tournaments, arguably say he's like one of the best in the
nation. I would have to agree with you that Mike Barnes would have to beat Dutch in this round.
What we have next is Kreese '69 versus Robby Season 3. This is another one I already covered;
just a very interesting matchup that was requested and brought to my attention. As we know,
we don't know how old Kreese is at this point. We can probably assume early to mid 20s; meanwhile,
Robby's probably at least 16/17 in the Season 3 timeline. We do have to give Robby the fact that
he is very skilled and just mastered so many techniques in Miyagi-Do in a very short amount
of time, especially the two-legged kick that even Daniel could not do and only Mr. Miyagi
could do. And then of course, now being able to adapt to Cobra Kai style. However, Kreese
is you know just overall in better condition than Robby is, because he's in the military,
not to mention he just had that fight with Captain Turner. So I think at this point, Kreese literally
would not show Robby any mercy and would just go in for the kill. He would just take it as a
life or death situation, especially with what's happened to him in Vietnam. What do you think?
Tylearn: Now I'm not gonna lie, I think Kreese is definitely more durable, given the fact that
he's able to fight the captain and they're like stabbing each other with like wooden sharp objects
and stuff like that. And I think Kreese's pain tolerance naturally would be better than Robby's,
since Robby like almost died to a locker, with by a surprised Johnny, so you can't even say
that's a feat for him because Johnny's not even going all out. We can't even scale him to really
anything really vague, and so I think Kreese is definitely going to overpower Robby. However,
Robby would last long due to him just being way more skilled than Kreese,
but Kreese is just going to overpower him and defeat him in my opinion.
Stryfe So now we have Miguel Season 2 versus Johnny Lawrence 1984. This is a kind of a tough
match to call; we know Miguel in Season 2 is at his prime. He's learned how to better defend,
he's better balanced, you know emotionally, physically, in his skill set and everything
else. However, he's now taking on his sensei who was the same age in 1984. At that point,
Johnny Lawrence has been training for five years, is a two-time All Valley Champion, has contended
third generation black belt Darryl Vidal on several occasions in different tournaments.
So this is a really tough match to call, mainly because Miguel's the perfect hybrid of what Johnny
and Daniel could have been if they did like a fusion technique, so to speak.
The only thing here though is that Miguel has only been training for a year and again Johnny's
been training for five years, so I would have to give this to Johnny, even though Miguel is
a little bit more advanced than Johnny was. I think Johnny- he just was still very ruthless,
he'd be able to easily press Miguel, and although he did care about honor and kind of paid the price
for it at some point, I think given the fact that just how angry he was, like he treated Daniel in
their final match in the 1984 All Valley; I think Johnny would take Miguel. What do you think?
Tylearn: Miguel definitely is a skilled fighter. However, personally I think Johnny is just a lot
more powerful, given the fact that he scales to Daniel. Daniel wouldn't be getting much stronger
throughout Karate Kid I and II, and then he's able to take on Chozen who's able to destroy stone
statues. Count that wall level and basically these feats are just more impressive in terms of AP
objectively, in terms of what the new Cobra Kai kids can really produce. And so I think
Johnny is just a lot more powerful; however, Miguel is probably more skilled than Johnny,
so Miguel will last pretty long. But Johnny's just gonna overwhelm him with his power and hell,
Johnny might even be more skilled, given the fact that he's able to take on black belts;
specifically third degree black belt as stated by Kreese when he was talking to Robby.
Stryfe: so we have '85 Daniel versus Season 2 Miguel. This is a video I've covered before,
but I also want to clarify because it was kind of confusing to guys that might have
already seen the Mini-Theory. So when I say '85 Daniel, I mean this is after Karate Kid III,
so he's mastered everything at this point. The Drum Technique from Karate Kid II, he's beaten
Mike Barnes and knows how to focus, he no longer gives into fear; versus of course Season 2 Miguel
who we know is at his prime. He pretty much beat Robby but only quote unquote "lost" because Robby
kicked him off the railing. So this one, I was kind of a split decision on because if it was
a point-to-point system, I think Daniel would not be intimidated by Miguel in any means, he
would be able to easily beat him in a tournament. However I would have to say though because Miguel
as far as a street fight, Miguel could possibly beat Daniel if he was able to get the the one up
on him, especially with you know that crazy fight that he had with Robby in the school.
For me, I'm kind of torn on this one so it's really hard to say. Tylearn, what do you think?
Tylearn: Now personally, I think Daniel probably might have better defense, given the fact that he
has mastery over the Drum Technique. I also do think as well that Daniel has just a lot
more versatility in his hands, like if he uses kata, I don't really know what Miguel would do,
just probably get confused, allowing Daniel to kind of off-guard him and slam him like how he
does to stronger opponents such as Mike Barnes, who's stronger than Johnny, who should be stronger
than Miguel, as you know we talked about earlier in the video. And also, I do believe that Daniel
should have higher AP, given the fact that you know he's able to take kicks from Chozen,
which were able to break you know pieces of stone. So I think AP and durability wise, Daniel's just
going to be beating Miguel up and not to mention, he might not even need to use AP and just use kata
to basically off guard him and get the jump on him. And also by the way, for anyone who thinks
that "oh well Miguel can take the most powerful kick in Miyagi-Do which would be physically
stronger than Daniel." That wouldn't be physically stronger than Daniel, given the fact that you know
it you know it's karate. So it is a more you know a more objectively powerful technique,
but that doesn't mean that Daniel is just weaker than Robby because he has a stronger technique.
Daniel's physically stronger, but Robby does have you know more skill, so really it wouldn't change
the answer in my opinion for Daniel versus Miguel. However, it would be an interesting fight to see.
Now personally, I think Season 1 Hawk is going to be losing this fight. I do
believe narratively it kind of fits, because you know Hawk does embrace the old Cobra Kai,
especially in Season 2 and Season 1 you know, is foreshadowing this; Hawk you know after breaking
Robby's arm and Daniel also got an injured limb as well. But anyways, I do believe Daniel should be
stronger, and the Crane Kick would be something that Hawk would just be confused by, similar to
how Johnny was, and Johnny is definitely a more skilled fighter than Hawk will ever be.
And so in my opinion, Daniel's just gonna kind of you know slam Hawk. Stryfe, what do you think?
Stryfe: So, there is a counterpoint to this that I would say Hawk has already known what
the Crane Kick's gonna look like. Although, he's not really seen on screen, you can kind
of hear him in the background when Miguel does the Crane Kick on his first opponent. You know,
you can hear kind of hear Hawk yelling in the background cheering on and whatnot. So, I think
Hawk would not be fooled by this for Daniel. However, Hawk isn't in his prime just yet as we
see him in Season 2 and Season 3. So, compared to my Season 3 Hawk versus '84 Daniel video,
I think I would agree with you on this one. Hawk would lose this one. At this point,
he would just be similar to a Dutch and especially if they're fighting on a point-to-point basis.
Daniel almost did a completely clean sweep except with the exception of Bobby going through and
beating everybody in Cobra Kai. So yeah, I think Daniel would definitely win this one; though he
would have to try to come up with something else other than the Crane Kick to beat Hawk.
Tylearn: That is true; however, I would probably say though given the fact that the Crane Kick
is something that Daniel did perform, and kind of like slam Johnny with even though
he had like an injured leg, I think it might just be kind of enough for Hawk, especially
since Hawk would probably be like, "oh I've seen this," so therefore he'd probably get arrogant,
which is something that he had to like overcome in Season 3. So we know that he is kind of cocky,
so he might even just like know what it is but just might just go and head charge anyway.
Stryfe: Yeah that's very true. You know Hawk is definitely aggressive,
especially seeing that aggressive transformation from the end of Season 1
into Season 2. So more than likely, I think that would be a one way it would go down, too.
Tylearn: Yeah for sure. It's definitely contentious and definitely an interesting
matchup narratively to talk about.
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