>>> WELCOME BACK.
WE’RE THRILLED TO BE JOINED NOW
BY SOMEONE WHO LITERALLY NEEDS
NO INTRODUCTION, LEGENDARY
ACTOR, DIRECTOR AND PRODUCER
ROBERT De NIRO, TO REFLECT ON
THE LOSS OF THE PRESIDENT THAT
HE HAS STRONGLY CONFRONTED.
ROBERT, I WANT TO GET RIGHT TO
IT.
LET’S TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR
STRAIGHT TALK.
>> I’M GOING TO SAY ONE THING,
[ BLEEP ] TRUMP.
>> HE’S SO BLATANTLY STUPID.
>> THIS GUY IS -- SHOULD NOT BE
PRESIDENT.
PERIOD.
>> [ BLEEP ] HIM.
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS
CABLE.
>> SORRY.
>> HE’S A PUNK.
HE’S A DOG.
HE’S A PIG.
>> HE HAS NO IDEA OF WHAT HIS
PURPOSE IN LIFE IS -- AS THE
PRESIDENT SHOULD BE.
>> HE’S A CON, A [ BLEEP ]
ARTIST, A MUTT WHO DOESN’T KNOW
WHAT HE’S TALKING ABOUT.
>> HAVE A KIND OF WEIRD, TWISTED
PRESIDENT WHO THINKS HE’S A
GANGSTER, WHO IS A -- NOT EVEN A
GOOD GANGSTER.
>> HE’S A NATIONAL DISASTER.
HE TALKS ABOUT HOW HE WANTS TO
PUNCH PEOPLE IN THE FACE.
WELL, I’D LIKE TO PUNCH HIM IN
THE FACE.
>> ROBERT De NIRO JOINS US ON
"THE BEAT."
YOUR REACTION TO THIS ELECTION,
SIR.
>> WELL, I’M RELIEVED.
VERY, VERY RELIEVED.
IT’S -- IT’S LIKE -- AS I KEEP
SAYING, IT’S LIKE BEING IN AN
ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP.
WE DON’T KNOW WHAT’S GOING ON.
NOBODY KNOWS.
FROM ONE DAY TO THE NEXT.
I DON’T EVEN THINK HE KNOWS
WHAT’S GOING ON. AND AS HIS NIECE MARY TRUMP
AND AS HIS NIECE MARY TRUMP
SAID, I MEAN, THAT’S IT.
HE’S -- IT’S -- THANK GOD.
THAT’S ALL.
WE’RE PAST THAT.
WE’RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF
OTHER PROBLEMS.
THAT’S NORMAL.
YOU HAVE THEM.
BUT NOT WHEN YOU DON’T -- WHEN
YOU DON’T BEHAVE WITHIN CERTAIN
PARAMETERS, CERTAIN RULES, THEN
THERE’S NO POINT IN HAVING ANY
-- WHAT WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTRY.
AND THAT’S WHAT HE’S CAPABLE OF,
JUST NOT RESPECTING ANYTHING.
AND WE’RE GOING TO SEE NOW
WHETHER HE WILL LEAVE
GRACEFULLY, WHICH I DON’T THINK
HE WILL, BUT I THINK HE’LL FIND
HIMSELF IN SUCH A SITUATION THAT
HE’LL HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO
LEAVE BUT PROBABLY SAY, YOU
KNOW, I HAD TO LEAVE.
IT’S RIGGED.
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
BUT I HAD TO LEAVE.
HE’LL FIND SOME WAY TO, IN HIS
EYES, SAVE FACE THROUGH WHAT HE
SAYS, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS I’M
VERY RELIEVED THAT HE’S -- THAT
HE’S NOT -- AND WE HAVE A LOT TO
BE -- BECAUSE THERE WILL BE
OTHER PEOPLE LIKE HIM IN THE
FUTURE.
MAYBE NOT IN MY LIFETIME, BUT
THERE WAS AN ARTICLE WRITTEN IN
I THINK "THE ATLANTIC" THE OTHER
DAY ABOUT -- AND THIS IS
SOMETHING I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT
-- SOMEBODY’S GOING TO COME
ALONG WHO IS A LOT SMATTER, MORE
SENSITIVE, MORE MERCURIAL AND
NOT SO BOORISH AND WILL BE ABLE
TO PULL THE WOOL OVER THE EYES
OF THE PUBLIC.
AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A SERIOUS
-- A MORE SERIOUS, DEEPER
PROBLEM.
AND ONE THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY --
THAT WILL GET FURTHER THAN WHAT
TRUMP HAS DONE.
HE’S ALSO SET AN EXAMPLE,
UNFORTUNATELY, TO OTHER YOUNG
PEOPLE THAT THIS KIND OF THING
CAN BE DONE.
AND THAT’S WHY IT’S SO IMPORTANT
AT THIS, YOU KNOW, AFTER HE’S
OUT OF OFFICE THAT HE IS HELD
ACCOUNTABLE.
>> YOU KNOW THIS EXPRESSION,
ROBERT, WHEN THEY SAY SOMEONE’S
FOUND THEIR VOICE?
>> YEAH.
>> WHAT DOES IT TELL YOU AS
SOMEONE WHO IS SUCH A -- SUCH AN
INCREDIBLE COMMUNICATOR THAT AT
THIS MOMENT OF MAXIMUM IMPACT
AND INFLECTION DONALD TRUMP
SEEMS TO HAVE COMPLETELY LOST
HIS VOICE?
>> I DON’T -- I DON’T KNOW IF HE
HAS A VOICE.
I DON’T KNOW WHAT HE HAS.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, I -- I JUST
DON’T KNOW.
I THINK THERE’S A SCREW LOOSE
THERE AND HE JUST -- HE IS -- HE
JUST DOESN’T GET IT.
IF HE HAD DONE WHAT HE SHOULD
HAVE DONE FOR THE VIRUS, HE
COULD HAVE WON THIS ELECTION.
I’M NOT -- I WOULDN’T BE HAPPY
ABOUT IT, BUT HE WOULD HAVE DONE
SOMETHING RIGHT.
HE DIDN’T EVEN UNDERSTAND HOW TO
DO THAT.
IT’S LIKE THE GANG THAT COULDN’T
SHOOT STRAIGHT.
CERTAIN PEOPLE ONLY KNOW HOW TO
DO THINGS WITH A -- A FELONIOUS
OR FELONOUS INTENT AND THEY
CAN’T JUST GO FROM "A" TO "B" TO
"C" TO "D," THEY HAVE TO GO FROM
"A" TO "G" TO "D" TO "H."
STAY STRAIGHT, IF YOU DO IT
RIGHT, THAT’S ALL YOU HAVE TO
DO, AND HE JUST DOESN’T
UNDERSTAND THAT.
I DON’T KNOW WHY.
>> IT’S FUNNY BECAUSE WHAT
YOU’RE SAYING IS SIMILAR TO WHAT
HIS FORMER CAMPAIGN MANAGER BRAD
PARSCALE SAID, ACCORDING TO ONE
OF THESE "WASHINGTON POST," YOU
KNOW, POSTMORTEMS WHERE THEY GET
THE REALLY JUICY QUOTES.
THIS WHOLE THING TURNS ON THE
VIRUS, AND IF YOU HANDLE THAT,
YOU MIGHT GET RE-ELECTED.
HIS OWN PEOPLE SAYING THAT’S THE
PATH.
AS YOU POINT OUT, EVEN
SELF-INTEREST, NOT THE BETTER
REASONS OF DOING IT TO SAVE AND
PROTECT, WHICH IS THE OBLIGATION
OF THE OFFICE.
>> OF COURSE.
>> HE JUST COULDN’T DO IT.
GO AHEAD.
>> NO, HE JUST COULDN’T DO IT.
I DON’T -- THAT’S AN EASY ONE.
THAT’S AN EASY ONE.
I JUST DON’T -- YOU KNOW,
THERE’LL BE MANY, MANY DIAGNOSES
OF HIS PERSONALITY AND HIS
PSYCHE FOR YEARS TO COME,
GENERATIONS TO COME.
I SAW A DOCUMENTARY CALLED
"UNFIT," AND THESE SHRINKS
DIAGNOSE HIM BASICALLY AND SAY,
YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A THING THAT
-- WITH BARRY GOLDWATER, I GUESS
THEY TRIED TO DIAGNOSE HIM AND
THERE WAS A LAW PASSED ARE THAT
THEY THEY SHOULDN’T -- THAT THEY
CAN’T DO THAT FROM AFAR, BUT
THESE SHRINKS SAID THAT, NO,
THEY CAN.
HIS BEHAVIOR AND EVERYTHING
THEY’VE SEEN OVER THE YEARS
GIVES THEM A LOT OF INFORMATION
THAT YOU MIGHT NOT GET ON A
ONE-ON-ONE.
THAT’S JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN’T
INTERACT WITH THE PATIENT OR THE
SUBJECT DOESN’T MEAN THAT YOU
HAVE -- THAT YOU HAVE MORE
INFORMATION THAT WAY.
SO THEY BASICALLY --
>> ARE YOU SUGGESTING -- AND I
DON’T WANT TO MISQUOTE YOU,
ROBERT, BUT ARE YOU SUGGESTING A
SEQUEL TO ANALYZE THIS BUT WITH
TRUMP IN IT?
>> WELL, NO, NOT REALLY, NOT
QUITE.
BUT MY --
>> I WAS JUST KIDDING.
>> IT’S THE SAME PLAYBOOK -- I
KNOW.
THE SAME PLAYBOOK AS MUSSOLINI
AS HITLER AS -- AS DICTATORS,
WANNA BE DICTATORS.
IT’S THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY’RE
GOING TO DO FOR THE PEOPLE, MAKE
GERMANY GREAT AGAIN, MAKE ITALY
GREAT AGAIN, MAKE AMERICA GREAT
AGAIN.
IT’S ALL APPEALING TO THE WORST
PREJUDICES, THE WORST WEAKNESSES
OF -- OF THE PUBLIC.
AND INSTEAD OF LEADING THEM AND
GUIDING THEM AND BEING -- BEING
SOMEONE THAT THEY CAN LOOK UP TO
AND WHEN THE PUBLIC IS NOT RIGHT
PUBLIC IS NOT RIGHT YOU HAVE TO
BE THERE TO DO THE RIGHT THING
TO SET AN EXAMPLE FOR THEM.
IF YOU DON’T, THEN WE’RE GOING
TO BE WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
THANK GOD WE’RE OUT OF THIS.
WE’LL BE INTO OTHER THINGS.
WITH BIDEN WE’LL GET ON A GOOD.
HE’LL BRING US CALM WATERS.
EVERYBODY REALIZE WE HAVE TO
FETE OUT OF THIS MESS, MOVE ON.
AND WE CAN DEAL WITH OTHER
THINGS.
>> THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHO IS
NOT ACCUSED OF AS MANY THINGS AS
SOME DICTATORS.
HE CERTAINLY CLOSED THE RACE BY
FIGHTING DEMOCRACY ITSELF.
I WANT TO PLAY A LITTLE BIT.
>> GIVE HIM ANOTHER FOUR YEARS.
HE’LL GO FOR A THIRD TERM AND
JOKED ABOUT PRESIDENT FOR LIFE.
HE’LL DO ANYTHING.
>> HE TOLD PEOPLE TO VOTE TWICE.
AND YEAH.
ALL THAT.
I WANT TO SHOW BEFORE WE LOSE
YOU.
YOU HAVE BEEN AROUND THE
CONTRAST OF OBAMA AND BIDEN.
YOU HAVE BEEN CELEBRATED BY
PRESIDENT OBAMA.
NOT TO EMBARRASS YOU, WE DID
WANT TO TAKE A QUICK LOOK AT
THAT.
>> FOR OVER 50 YEARS HE
DELIVERED THE MOES MEMORABLE
PERFORMANCES.
HIS WORK IS LEDGE DAY FOR WORK
AND DEPTH.
COMMITTED TO HIS CRAFT.
HE EM BODIES CHARACTERS CREATING
RICH PORTRAITS THAT REFLECT THE
HEART OF THE HUMAN EXPERIENCE.
>> WHAT DID THAT MEAN TO YOU
FROM PRESIDENT OBAMA AND WHAT IF
ANYTHING ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON
JOE BIDEN WHO IS PART OF THAT
ADMINISTRATION AND
PRESIDENT-ELECT.
>> WELL, I WAS HONORED OF COURSE
TO BE GIVEN THAT.
VERY HONORED.
AND AGAIN, OBAMA WAS A PRESIDENT
WHO WAS YOU KNOW -- HE MIGHT NOT
HAVE DONE EVERYTHING RIGHT.
YOU KNEW HIS INTENTIONS WERE
RITE.
HE WAS HONORABLE.
HE’S GOING TO PLAY BY THE RULES
AND DO THE RIGHT THING.
AND THAT’S ALL YOU EXPECT FROM A
LEADER.
IS TO AT LEAST INTENTIONS ARE
NOBLE.
THEY MIGHT MAKE MISTAKES AND
THAT I HAVE ALWAYS FELT ABOUT
HIM.
AND BIDEN WILL DO THE SAME.
HE WILL BE WITH KAMALA HARRIS.
IT WILL BE IT MIGHT SURPRISE US
MORE THAT THEY’LL DO THINGS --
THAT WE DIDN’T EXPECT.
AND DON’T EXPECT.
THEY COULD DO IT.
IT WILL BE A TERRIFIC FOUR
YEARS.
MAYBE LONGER.
>> I WANT PLAY A LITTLE BIT OF
SOME OF YOUR ICONIC SCENES.
>> NEVER RAT ON YOUR FRIENDS.
AND ALWAYS KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.
>> YOU TALKING TO ME?
YOU TALKING TO ME?
>> LISTEN TO ME CAREFULLY, THREE
WAYS OF DOING THINGS AROUND
HERE.
RIGHT WAY, WRONG WAY AND THE WAY
I DO IT.
>> I GREW NUP A TOUGH
NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU CAN GET FURTHER WITH A KIND
WORD AND A GUN.
THAN JUST A KIND WORD.
>> WHAT DO WE TAKE FROM ALL THE
TOUGH GUYS YOU HAVE PLAYED IN A
COUNTRY THAT CELEBRATES
TOUGHNESS BUT SOMETIMES GETS
CARRIED AWAY?
>> SAY THAT QUESTION AGAIN.
>> WHAT DO WE TAKE FROM ALL THE
TOUGH GUYS YOU HAVE PLAYED AND
THINKING ABOUT THIS IS A COUNTRY
THAT CELEBRATES TOUGHNESS BUT
SOMETIMES GETS CARRIED AWAY.
WITH MAFIA MOVIES.
>> OF COURSE.
I’M AN ACTOR.
I DO THE PARTS I ENJOY THEM.
BUT I’D LIKE TO THINK IN SOME OF
THOSE PARTS THERE’S A CERTAIN
DIGNITY.
SOMEWHERE BURIED IN THERE.
THAT I DON’T THINK THE PERSON
LIKE TRURP DOESN’T HAVE.
THERE’S NO CENTER.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CENTER NO
MATTER WHO YOU ARE.
IF -- IT IS JUST IT’S LIKE
SOMEBODY DEFYING GRAVITY.
THEY’LL NEVER DO -- THAT’S WHY
WE HAVE RULES AND LAWS.
WE HAVE JUDGES.
WE HAVE STRUCTURE.
IF DWOENT HAVE THAT WE HAVE
NOTHING.
WE HAVE CHAOS.
WE HAVE ANARCHY.
AND WE NEED SOMEONE WHO TO LEAD
US THROUGH IN A KIND OF FATHER
FIGURE WAY.
OR MOTHER FIGURE WAY.
TO BRING US THROUGH AND SHOW
THAT THEY LOVE US.
CARE ABOUT US AND WANT OUR BEST.
THEY ARE LOOKING OUT FOR US.
IT’S THE TOTAL OPPOSITE WITH
SOMEONE LIKE HIM.
IT CONFOUNDS ME HOW HE FWOT TO
BE ELECTED.
HE DID.
AND CRAZY THINGS HAPPEN.
THAT’S WHAT WE NEED IN A LEADER.
IN ANY LEADER.
THAT’S WHAT WE WERE GOING TO GET
WITH JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA
HARRIS.
SHE’S TOUGH.
SHE’S TOUGHER SHE’LL DO THE
THINGS THAT MAYBE HE WOULDN’T
DO.
OR CAN’T DO.
I’M HOPING SHE WILL DO THEM.
>> IT’S REALLY FASCINATING TO
HEAR YOUR TAKE.
ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE WAY YOU
HAVE BEEN A KEY FIGURE IN THE
APPROXIMATELY REALM DEALING WITH
WHATEVER IT IS TRUMP IS.
AND PERSONALLY I’M JUST A SUCH A
HUGE FAN.
>> THANK YOU.
I’M NOT LIKE POLITICAL.
I WAS SO ANGRY AND SO ENRAGED
AND CONFOUNDED THAT HE WOULD
ACTUALLY BEHAVE THE WAY HE DID.
AND THAT PEOPLE BOUGHT IT.
I NOW I SEE MANY PEOPLE IN THE
COUNTRY FEEL THIS WAY.
I’M SAD ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE WHO
DON’T.
THEY ARE ACCEPTED HIM AND WOULD
HAVE VOTED FOR HIM.
AND HAVE VOTED FOR HIM.
I DON’T KNOW WHY.
THAT’S ALL THAT IT WAS.
FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
HOW COULD THIS GUY BEHAVE THIS