This is Katie.
She fell in love with Vince.
Katie: We've been together for about 11 years.
Vince: The day I asked you out,
I told you I loved you.
After nine years of marriage,
Vince told Katie
he was also Natasha.
Katie: Initially,
it's a bit of a shock.
Natasha: Oh, yeah, that's the right wig today.
definitely.
She's going to love that.
With Vince coming out as gender fluid,
Some have been quick to pass judgment on the couple.
Natasha: There have been some people
that have
called our relationship wrong.
Katie: Is it really
fair to judge someone
just based on, you know, how they look?
And with Vince spending half his time as Natasha,
Public judgment
isn't the only issue
they have to contend with.
Katie: I'm not physically attracted in any way
to Natasha,
I'm attracted to men.
Vince: You want,
Chili paste in your Ramen?
Katie: I do not want chili paste in my ramen.
You can put them in your ramen.
Vince: Chili Paste goes in Ramen,
What are you talking about?
We were high school sweethearts.
He likes me, I like Spencer,
okay?
we're in the same boat.
The day I asked you out,
I told you I loved you and I wanted to,
us to,
start dating.
Katie: You were very, very determined.
you had to put the tongue,
We've been together for about 11 years.
We,
both have a lot of
the same sort of like nerdy interests like
Star Wars,
Lord of the rings,
Westworld
Game of Thrones,
Vince: Eating that like a neanderthal,
despite having a lot of shared interest,
there's one big lifestyle choice.
that they don't share.
Natasha: Welcome to Natasha's room.
newly out as gender fluid,
Vince's female persona, Natasha,
is now also part of their relationship.
Natasha: This is where
I kind of get myself
all glammed up and ready to go.
jewelry,
great sign,
be bad-ass with a good ass.
I came out as gender fluid
December of 2018.
So,
a little over a year ago.
It was a long time coming,
I felt
felt that way for a long time,
I didn't quite know how to express it.
So I came out to my wife.
She accepted it super well.
I can't say like perfectly because
there were some like growing pains
that we had to get used to.
Katie: Initially, it's
a bit of a shock,
just because
I really didn't know
what gender fluid meant.
I definitely don't think that
identifying as gender fluid is,
you know,
something that I would ever identify as
I can understand
the words he's saying,
but as far as that feeling,
I don't necessarily get it.
And I don't personally connect with that.
It's just, not me.
Natasha: For me.
gender fluid is a weird term.
I don't feel like it accurate,
like 100% defines who I am,
but It's by far
the closest thing that's out there.
For me,
I
identify,
as gender fluid because
I look at it as if it were,
a rainbow.
You have male on one side,
you have female on the other.
And from day to day,
you go somewhere
on this rainbow.
Some days you might be all the way
to the left
and you might be all the way male
or some days you might be all the way female.
Some days you might be in between.
Today is definitely leaning to Natasha day,
I definitely feel more like Natasha
than I do like Vince,
on days when I'm Vince,
if I try to put on a dress or I tried to put like
makeup on or stuff like that,
It doesn't work
and I have to go 100%
back to male.
It definitely keeps
me on my toes.
It keeps Katie on her toes.
For Katie
having her husband
frequently identifying as female
has been something
they've both had to get used to
and not everything in their relationship,
stays the same.
When Vince is Natasha.
Natasha: Katie has,
has expressed to me multiple times
that she is not lesbian.
She does not like girls.
She is
100% into me as a man.
Katie: No I'm not physically attracted in any way
to Natasha.
I'm attracted to men,
I can
appreciate
when she does a really great job
on her makeup
because
I am not much of a makeup person.
I can appreciate when
she's got a really cute outfit on
or when she's looking good,
but physical attraction
not so much
but it's more about what's on the inside.
Natasha: I always love getting myself a kiss in the mirror.
Tells me I've done a good job.
Time for the wig.
I think I'm going to do this one today.
This one has bangs, which is really cool.
Oh yeah, that's the right wig today.
Definitely she going to love that.
She likes Natasha as kind of
more as a,
natural girl.
I'm thinking this look is pretty much complete.
Natasha: You gotta look flawless.
Having come out to his wife,
it was then time,
for Vince to reveal Natasha, friends and family
as well.
Natasha: Some of the family has been really accepting
and really great and some of the family has not been
and
and it's kind of how it goes.
They're going to have their own reactions.
I'm not going to dwell on it.
Isaac: With Vince coming out
my parents had some reservations,
they sat me down,
wanted to have a conversation with me just
try to see what my thoughts
and feelings towards the situation was, and
they expressed their thoughts and feelings to me,
but,
but I feel like I'm the most open minded of the family.
Noah: I thought it was a little bit of a surprise.
It's it's something that that I never expected.
Kirsten: We're still getting to know Natasha
because it's a different personality
than Vince.
So I feel like
Natasha's still new to the group.
I feel like they're two different people.
But they're starting to blend,
Natasha: Cheers.
Really, the only times that
I've ever had anything bad said to me
has come through like
online like on Instagram, there have been some people
that have called our relationship
wrong or think that
I'm being horrible to her.
I just tend to just
delete the message right away and that's it.
Our relationship has changed
a lot,
but it's changed for the better.
I feel I can truly be myself
with her now.
Whereas before I always felt like I had to hide.
With that dress?
Katie: You think?
Natasha: Yes.
I thank God that I have her.
I was able to avoid likely,
shopping at Forever 21
and buying all the preteen stuff,
and the stuff that wouldn't look good on me.
Katie: A lot of people confuse
the gender with the sexuality.
Natasha: Yeah, a lot of people think,
"Oh, you're a girl, so you must like boys that time?"
No.
Katie: Is it really
fair to judge someone just based on,
You know, how they look?
I mean,
people, what people wear, like who cares?
Is it really that important?
Part of me the old Vince mostly because
it'd be nice if
it was easier around family again.
But I mean, I still have the person
that I married and I'm in love with.
Vince: Obviously, being gender fluid
means that we're going to be different a typical couple,
but really
it comes down to the fact
that we don't ever feel the need to hide
from each other. And I feel like that's something
truly special
that sets us apart from so many others,
whether it's Natasha or Vince
waking up to Katie on any given day,
the one thing that doesn't change
their love for one another,
Katie: Well, we're still together
so haters can hate.
Vince: All we want to do is
love each other.
I'm not on a mission to be like,
"Oh, you must accept me because,"
Honestly, I need to accept the fact that
people aren't going to accept me.
So for those people
who judge me for what I do,
You're going to do whatever You're going to do.
I'm out here living my best life.
I'm out here loving my wife,
and
loving myself.
And that's key.