Oh Massan, what's up?
Whatsup
They said you wanted to talk to me
So I invited you to the call
So did you want to talk to me now?
Huh?
Chat, what's going on?
Cringe 4Head
Oh so yeah they said you wanted to talk to me
Because I was saying
The viewbotting...
(Talking at the same time)
Okay, they said you wanted to talk to me because I was saying you where viewbotting
And uuhh...
Its just because...
Higher ups at Twitch told me you do have viewbots in your chat
And its a significant portion of your...
In your stream, its a significant portion of viewers every day
And they cant ban you because...
Allright, can you quote that, actually?
Can I quote it?
Yeah
Well, the...
They don't... I can't actually quote it
But the guy...
They are not allowed to, I mean, since you're...
Uuhh
Since they can't ban you I can't prove that its you viewbotting
They don't wanna make...
Statements
Against you
(Unclear audio) Because it could not be you viewbotting your channel, it could be someone else
Like maybe...
Your mom or something
Perfect argumentation, Reckful... Kappa
But I actually can't... I can show you
I can just show you and you don't...
Tell...
I could, its just like...
I can actually just show you, but you just can't show your stream
But yeah I can show you
That the Twitch guy is saying it
If you want to hear it
I'll take a picture
Here
Have you sent the... Have you heard the response I made to your...
The allegation, I guess
I heard the response to what?
To the allegation
No, I haven't heard a response
But they already told me you have viewbots in your channel
And they don't pay the viewbots in ad money, that's why we showed ad money on screen
Nonono, about the ad revenue thing...
About the ad revenue thing...
What about it?
What do you think about that?
What do I think about that? Well, I just...
They told me you don't get ad revenue for the viewbots
So I told you to share ad revenue, and you had...
Less ad revenue than was expected, right? Yeah sure, soo...
And the number match up, right?
The numbers match up you think?
Yeah... How many hours did you stream that month?
Uuhm, ad revenue was (unclear audio)
Okay, how many...
Impressions did you have
How many views I had is what you should be asking
Sure, yeah, whatever. It doesn't matter...
So on my channel I have 640K views for October
And you had 500K
I had 500K views in October?
And you had 640K? Yeah uhm...
We can check that on SocialBlade, I'll give you a link
Okay, but how do you have so...
Few?
Views
What do you mean so few?
Why do you have so few views for October?
And you get like...
Tons of viewers every day
That's a small number, right?
Thats all I get man, like...
I stream for 4 hours a day and I get...
I've been like...
I've been taking 15-18K [viewers] every day
And I get like 20K [viewers] maximum
Uuhm okay, but...
Don't you...
You have like over twice my viewers every time
And I don't stream twice as many hours as you, right?
Uuuhm
No, and no actually I don't get twice as many viewers as you
Like the average viewership for October for me was around 10K
You are only looking at those numbers because I've been streaming for 2-3 hours before
I mean allright that's not actually so sure, but...
You only look at the number
I don't know what number you're even looking at
Like I'm not even close to triple [viewer amount]
You say I have 3 times your viewers, I'm not even close to that
I'm like...
1.4 times your average viewership
And my viewtotal is...
Allright, I was just looking at that specific day
Only that specific day I pulled up your stream you had 3 times my viewers
Yeah, but that is confirmed viewers man!
Nonono, I know
You had 24K viewers last week, when I had like 10K
And then its like... Oh oh, you have like 2.4 times as much!
Okay, yeah, no, but still...
Its just... All I'm saying
People at Twitch already told me you had viewbots in the channel
Maybe you actually don't know
You really seem to argue about it so much that maybe you actually don't know...
And they said they can't ban you unless you accidentaly show on stream your viewbot program one time
Or something like that happens
Okay. Allright.
But they said that a significant portion of viewers are viewbots
Huh?
I'd rather we match up, if you say...
If you talk to them
They will tell you the same thing, that they see viewbots in your channel
If you talk to any higher-up in Twitch, they will be like 'oh'
Yeah, there are viewbots in his channel every day
I'm the one who actually asked them to...
I've been getting a lot of response about this, can you guys research it?
And tell if there is viewbots in my channel?
Yeah
And they said that they have no idea yet
I guess I talked to them before you did
Or maybe after you told them, I don't know what happened
When did he tell you that?
They said to just not talk about it
This is at BlizzCon, they told me at BlizzCon
Like in real life
And I got a lot of messages on Twitter
A guy was telling me, I can't really tell you...
I can put this in writing
And he told me at BlizzCon: I can't put this in writing, because there was something weird, right?
And then at BlizzCon, and I showed that on stream before
But then uhm...
At BlizzCon he told me... *stuttering*.. yeah
If you ask them, they will have to tell the same thing
Because that's what it is
I asked them, that was before BlizzCon actually
Okay, so if you ask them now...
Okay, maybe before BlizzCon you didn't have viewbots
And now you do (sure Kappa)
But if you ask them now they're gonna tell you you have viewbots in your channel
Every day
A significant portion of your viewers, thousands
Maybe I don't know what you're saying, now I do
and I have less (unclear) than I did before what youre saying
No, I don't fucking know
I just know they told me you have viewbots
I obviously am not fucking lying, why would I be lying?
And then if you ask Twitch
You should just ask Twitch: Yo do I have viewbots in my channel?
And they will answer the question, right?
If you just ask any of the high partnered guys in Twitch
You just ask like...
You know, it does not matter, anyone
Hassan or something
Or uuhhhh
By all means, I could ask, but...
Allright sure anyways, so...
No I mean if you're really trying to prove that you don't
You could just ask them, and they just ask them that you do, or that...
Hey maybe you did before and now you don't
And then you will be off the hook, right?
If you're really trying to prove it
I can't show that anyways, so it doesn't matter
Oh no you could show it actually
No, in your situation...
No for you you can show it, they just can't slander your name
When they don't know that its you viewbotting
But if you show that they say you viewbotted
You can show it because its not slander against you
You're slandering yourself, it doesn't matter
You could show that they said you have viewbots in your channel
But then they can't say you're viewbotting, because...
Yeah
That sounds totally legit
That doesnt sound legit? What do you mean?
Thats just how it works
Nonono, I just said you sounded totally legit
Yeah are you trolling?
We keep talking at the same time
Why is that not legit?
No I said that sounds totally legit
Yeah I thought you where being sarctic right now?
Who is higher up actually?
Okay, here I'll link you...
I'll link you a bunch of them
There's this guy
Here, in the discord
There's that guy
And we have this guy
And we copy this guy...
They will all tell you you have viewbots
You can ask all those people, and they can all tell you
No I think...
The way you argue about it, I think there might be a tiny chance
You actually have no idea you have viewbots
And then someone, like maybe your mom
Just sits there and viewbots you every day, I don't know!
Maybe your mom actually sends viewbots! Kappa
I'm just saying that from the ad revenue thingy
I have 28% more views than you do in total
And you know I guess I... I believe I can spoil this part of the contract that we have
People from North America have [about 40%?] more ad revenue
Than the rest of the world
Okay, I don't know about countries
Lets not talk about numbers
Allright no we dont have to do all this shit with, trying to dissect numbers
We can just ask the Twitch people
If you're actually curious if you have viewbots you just ask those Twitch people
Any of the people from Twitch
And they will answer your questions, right?
But I'm the one who asked them to investigate!
Okay but they told me differently, so if you just ask them
No they told me differently
They told me differently, that's the only reason we are talking about it, right?
So if you just ask them
And they tell you
That you don't have viewbots
Then there will be something really weird, because they told me you did
So I'll be really surprised!
But then, I want you to ask them
Just message those guys, Director of Partnerships, any of those people
But I can't show it anyways, right?
No you can because its not slander if you're showing it yourself, it doesn't matter
Yeah you could show it, ofcourse you could show it
Why wouldn't you be able to show it?
Thats what we where just talking about before and you said that sounds...
But why can't you show it? BrokeBack
Well I can show you...
But yeah it's...
But no, they don't want to slander you
Their company doesn't want to slander you when they don't know if its actually you viewbotting
You know?
That's why they also don't ban you
Excuse me I have a cough
Yeah
Because I mean lets say all of a sudden
Every single day you started putting viewbots in my channel
And then
And than they ban me, that would be fucked up
Like wtf am I gonna do?
Like they can't actually just ban someone who has viewbots
Because they can't prove its them
Have they specified the dates?
Or the promise of...
Those...
Numbers, or the origination?
Which numbers?
*tumbleweed, ResidentSleeper*
Which numbers you're talking about?
The Twitch folks
You said that Twitch folks told you... Yeah at BlizzCon
So did they tell you...
When was BlizzCon?
I dunno, BlizzCon was last month right?
Right
*Cringe intensifies*
Sooo uhm...
You just ask! Just message those people
Say: "Yo! I'm just genuinely curious about viewbots in my channel"
Because I'm not viewbotting, I just want to know if I have viewbots in my channel every day
I was actually curious
Yeah they will respond to you
Say hey, I...
And they're like...
Ok no but do it now!
But maybe they just...
Don't mention it, because... people might... that might force us...
Force people to, you know
Do fishy stuff on your channel, that's wat they told me actually
Soo... they told you what?
They told me not to mention it because that might trigger people to do it!
In my channel...
Okay
Yeah maybe you have people who don't like you and they're viewbotting you
[unclear audio]
I've been talking to Twitch as well, way before you did
Okay anyway...
Ignoring... Ignoring...
All this shit
I just think
Instead of us talking about it anymore
There is no reason for you not to message them
And say hey do I have viewbots in my channel?
If you would just be like hey... you know?
I'm not viewbotting my channel
Just do it and we don't talk about it anymore!
We'll see what happens, we don't talk about it anymore. Just tell me what happens and you know whatever
You can talk about it
You can talk about what happens
If its you, so...
Oh man, allright
Thats good right?
*Massan thinks*
Sure I can talk to Twitch about it
Yeah, message one of the...
One of those people on Twitter, all of them, and...
And see what they say
Allright
And they will respond to you like today right?
Let's see, it's Sunday... Tomorrow they will respond for sure
DramaStone ResidentSleeper
Hi plebs in chat HeyGuys Kappa
By they way... What's up with the... You know I've been trying to talk to you since last year right?
No I didn't know that
What's up with what?
Like I tried to talk to you in your channel and I got banned instantly
We are gonna ignore
I tried to talk to you on Skype...
I never saw you message me on Twitter, but ok
But I didn't personally ban you in my channel
Whatever, what did you want to talk about?
Well I mean
Personally I just wanted to have you as a point of contact
Okay
Allthough you've been going on and off
In the HearthStone scene
Yeah yeah
*yawn*
But I guess after that I just wanted to talk to you about
What's been going on since you've been talking about me and stuff
Yeah
So yeah there's really nothing we can talk about at this point, so I guess...
Yeah I guess that's it
You let everyone know what happens with that stuff
And I'm curious
And if all of a sudden they say
I would be really surprised if all of a sudden they say
You don't have viewbots in your channel
But I'd love to see, and uuh
Yeah that's it
*Awkward silence intensifies, again*
Is there any other way to contact you?
To contact me?
You can just respond to that Twitter again
Okay, allright, cool
Unless that didn't work, so...
Okay well I think it will work man
Because I messaged you
Test it right now. I'll talk to you later man
Allright seeya Kappa
Nice talking to you too
Have a nice day EleGiggle
Okay, what do you guys think about that?
One really awkward part for me was when he asked me to show
The proof that they told me, but they [Twitch] told me not to tell
Then I sounded like I was full of shit
I was like eeh eeh ehhh
But I wasn't full of shit, you guys know 4Head
Because I showed you one time
But uuuh
Yeah...
Anyway...
Congrats if you made it to this screen
Best Skype convo ever Kappa
Tududu
Oh look!
Massan's viewers actually thought I was full of shit!
Now that this is recorded its only a matter of time before Reckful actually gets banned
Holy shit!
These couple of Massan subs really don't like me
You sound full of shit? Yeah it did sound like I was full of shit at one moment maybe...
But I wasn't. I was actually telling the truth
I said I would show him specifically if he wanted to see
Idk Kev