In terms of projection early on when we were meeting over there in the gathering room. I think
it was Laverne brought up that idea right off the bat of projection of
bringing up talking about her
her husband talked about her brother really brought it up
and it was really early on I guess it was right at the beginning of the retreat and I
think it's meaningful to talk about
projection and more psychological common psychological terms and in fact
Jesus did that a lot with Helen. I think in my experience when I moved deeper and deeper into it every time
Every time upset would arise in myself for example. I would just hear this whispering voice
this
Whispering idea goes through my mind. It was always did she listen
Sure listen to unless it was always the same
And and that it's your lesson kind of dynamic over and over and over for actually four years
started to be a washing away of this of this idea of a
Projection and finally is this we were talking a bit
You know a little bit more at the brunch this morning out in the sunshine about you know really it's all good
Together was bringing up that
It's all good. It wasn't it like you say certs or something because that
the T-shirts, it's all good, and it started to come out I
Remember when that was but they started to spring out tim and when I started him was an experience
Which was basically that I?
Would call the impossibility of projection, you know
spirit Extends the ego projects
and
The people you go into looking at that of course. It's helpful to look at the dynamics for a while, but then
The first aspect of the business he was exposing the error
and
we started to get pretty good at exposing the error as those didn't have consistent peace and Jesus said that's right because that's
That's just phase one and I said well. What's what's phase two?
Seems like phase one you emphasize phase one so much in the course
exposing exposing hide nothing
we must keep nothing hidden from each other kept saying you must keep nothing hidden, so I did that and then
I said what a spacesuit. He said phase two is is
overlooking the error
Is literally do not see error is going into a state of mind which is so unified?
That there's if you have overlooked the error
You don't you don't see the error or see a sin and then work with it even you get good at
Overlooking anyway. That's the holy Spirit's job
Even says that of course the holy spirit
Overlooks the error and looks to the light of the atonement
The holy Spirit is fixated on the light of the atonement
And what is that the atonement is the awareness that the separation never happened?
So it doesn't dress up error
And it doesn't even deal with there
It literally is an awareness that the separation never happened. So when I opened and open and open into that experience
then this idea of
projection it just dissolved away, so
Whereas I could see the metaphors like we talked about with lorraine it's common to talk about projecting onto a partner
Or projecting onto it or on to the government or the military or to a judges lawyers doctors?
It was more of like an interpersonal dynamic
at One point
It just dawned on me that that the whole cosmos was a projection. It wasn't like tiny little
Projections going on between the images. It was like the whole cosmos was an attempt to get rid of something
that was
that was uncomfortable but but actually it was a way of keeping it you know by trying to
Get rid of it and in an appropriate means by scapegoating by blaming. It's actually how you keep it
You don't get rid of it at all and then I thought wow then projection is just like a dynamic that has
really no value and
Jesus was like yeah
Love extends the ego projects and the projection has no value, so when I started to get into that experience
That was where it started to like rise above this idea of opinions, so then it wasn't
It wasn't so much of what people thought of
Statement you know whether it was positive or negative that started to become more and more irrelevant
No, it was an experience that
Was coming in stronger stronger and yes, that's how the dynamics. Go certainly with messengers. You know we
we have really hung in there and
our goal is set and our goal was very sure and
But those that have come in to messengers. It wasn't like
In order to become or in order to even use the symbol of messengers of peace you have to be completely peaceful
If you have any disharmony, that's it
You you can call yourself a messenger of peace slash hate
You know I mean that would be more realistic
Always trying to talk to everybody out of it, and I said you know I have so much control David
I said there's no way
I said I have so much control and I
said I don't feel like I'm a messenger at all and he said
if you were healed there'd be no purpose for us to come together
and he said that we're coming together for mind-training and to have it Christ control and
to redirect it and learn how to now use it for Christ
and I thought that was so beautiful like I that was the whole thing cause of all this unworthiness
and you know I won't say no. Oh, I can't join them. You know how could I be here?
so yeah
It was very beautiful. It's part of things
I mean, I think part of what you're asking down into is yeah things are going to come up
And it's like what we wanted to really do is is really get anchored in the trust
And the holy spirit was gonna carry us and lift us all beyond that
have a unified goal, and then
Make an atmosphere or an attitude or a space where the darkness would arise?
Not that's right our desire wasn't like trying to try to get rid of it
There's that's with either not our function. You know, it's the holy spirit's function to shine away the darkness
It was just to make an atmosphere in an environment where
It could be allowed to rise up and be given over to the light
Because I think it's this is a fear of letting that darkness come up
feel
Like insane you build bunkers, and that darkness starts to come up, and we're just saying like okay
Let's do that and and that
That actually is how it works for us. I think we
were all messages were all together down in Nusa and
We were down there by the bus. We're down there in Kangaroo Valley, but I
Think the last time that we came together
More up in the North America was up in Canada
Yeah
And there was some stuff coming up for people there. It was perfect
We were out in Rural Canada, and it was like good let it arise bring it on and
it does arise in a in a
interpersonal form you know it does come up as if it's
Somebody's doing something that I don't like kind of thing and of course it's going to arise like that
You know we you're gonna let it arise. Just as it seems to be you're not gonna try to
Put some kind of a label on it and say no no. God is and and
Stuff it down, and so we had some pretty long discussions. There was some pretty
intense emotions that came up about second just another purge that was
last year
like september august september right around in there just getting just starting into the fall of
2000 we had our own devotion
Mm-Hmm, you know where it was like it, and it was funny because it was scheduled and that we came there
And it's really beautiful because it's like just coming together and just feeling the same thing that we're doing it just
Really allowing everything to just come up?
And just being completely authentic. It's the most beautiful gift. You know like there's no small upset so it's being together
It's really important for us to just
allow whatever
It's coming up to come up in that's I feel like the gift for me being here
Is that it's just all about it's all for me. It's all for me to keep my mind clean
and use these relationships just for that just for me to be in the one relationship and
So it's like we can feel it jill
This is almost like oh is there something you know and then we just kind of come together and and it's not personal like
Saying I'm having whatever come up and just allow it to come up and in a safe
unconditional space
yeah, it's very much like the philosophy of
Before you have anything to share with anyone or a word to speak to anyone?
It's like the spirits like saying get your own house in order
You know the old idea. You know if like if you point the finger at someone you have three fingers pointing back
I always say one for the father once in the sun one for the holy spirit
We got the trinity like when you point the finger the trinity is looking right back at you going. Oh, yeah
get your own house in order and
and
When jesus talks about enemies in the song of prayer you know you know
He's talking about enemies in the context of prayer. He says if you
Have you perceive enemies you have great need for prayer in deep?
Because they're asking any questions coming out. How do you pray for your enemies?
if you have any
Different where is like a purification?
the offensive
From your holy money
Do not let your holy mind be a garden for weave
like pluck the offense
instead of pointing a finger and happy offender the perceived offender collect the offense from your own mind, so
Basically that's been
My philosophy in other words. I took that on
I took that to heart and then I started to attract very sincere loving devoted
Witnesses who who really pretty much just feel like yeah, that's exactly what the course is teaching
That's what forgiveness is about is about plucking all the offenses up there, whatever it is and then
Once again like Lisa was just saying we came together in Canada was just another time it was kind of a rare time
We hadn't even been together that much we were all over the world, but we came together to again
There's anything we have to clean house with there's anything we need to get our comb house in order with let's do it
and then there's a gift that comes from that from the cleaning from the clearing from clearing the altar of
Anything that's not loving
Just clearing clean and clear and clearing then it's almost like the spiritus is like. Thank you
Now we can share and extend we have something to give
and Jesus says this and
you know Miracles cannot be extended in the spirit of doubt or fear and
So that's why they're cleaning the house and getting the house in order is so important
It's not like Jesus isn't ready to perform the miracles
Jesus is very ready, but it's just like when
The mind is it still has doubts and fears
it's not ready to let that light shine through it just
like if you had a
It's like you had a mirror your array to reflect
The light to everyone to the world when you had spots with a dirty mirror
like hit the windex out
The club out and clean and clean and clean so that light can just reflect and shine
No, the light is always shining. It's a matter of if do I have the spots the spots of darkness where the lights
So it's very much with our practices