joining me now are lyrique pratt executive director of gun owners of
america and loud everett director of communications from the coalition to
stop gun violence now gentleman initially we were going to have you want
to talk about the portland oregon shooting of course over the weekend we
had the shooting in connecticut so i think really that uh... is going to
change our discussion a little bit although maybe maybe less than i imagine
we'll see what you guys have to say
larry i want to go to you first
do you believe we've seen anything
over the weekend in connecticut that makes you rethink what the policy should
be on gun regulation registration and gun gun control and screening uh... at
all in this country
or certainly should be rethinking we should be getting rid of the laws that
have facilitated
this kind of tragedy from occurring
godfrey sounds
uh... are minor penalty compared to murder
and yet uh... mass murder was contemplated in carried out so it
doesn't really make much sense to talk about
uh... penalizing people for having a gun a gun free zone went
the people who are being victimized need to be able to protect themselves
okay fell bad luck pick that up the idea that if more people in the schools were
armed that would be a better situation
yeah you know david i i i think we've reached a point m particularly after the
president's remarks last last night
where we need to call madness madness and i do know of one individual whom
day by day
insularity sinking in this type of you know is quote unquote solution and i was
there she lands are there it's no doubts that
larry
the and it before this uh... kid went on a rampage would have told us then uh...
she'll ends up with the literal arsenal firearms she added to our home was
probably the safest born in america i think this poisonous met that the
program luminous circulated na protected site guns make a saber uh... i think
that died along with those little children on friday so quick
you know that we we were talking about perhaps
now getting into oregon
at them all up in oregon and there was a fellow carrying a gun
again small policy which would have been some sort of minor infraction
uh... when he heard the sounds of the shooter firing here and toward them
and as he was coming in the range this shooters saw him that's when he
committed suicide so to say that that we can just dismiss it
the idea that guns make us safer i think is uh...
to miss the point that all the data we have shown that where guns are more
readily available
there we have a look
as of a problem with criminals because criminals no
they're going to meet
uh... quite likely effective resistance does that but it is that what the data
fell flat
now what does it say that i mean it really richer or you know the people of
what's your cell
to look at the c_d_c_ data on st dot that repeats and consistently states
with the coppola's honest rates have gone dot then you can look at
you know even states like estate michael at
uh... that always predominantly has not been the highest on death rates in the
fifty states and you know it's it's a very tough was conversely evaporated
low-rate saddam beth you know finally playing off what larry just said you
know uh... you know i'll leave it up to seen americans to to uh... think about
whether having shoot-outs in malls
with lunatics who have been legally arms or easily easily gained access to
firearms make sense a firmer
well the debt absolutely do not say what you're suggesting that the f_b_i_ for
years have been producing data to show that
the states that have the more
uh... wrote
they make it easier for people that have firearms to carry firearms concealed
those of the states that have the lower violent crime rates and the idea that
somehow we would be safe room all waiting for somebody to come mentioned
us rather than being able to fight back
uh... if we're talking about madness i would say that borders on maps
mobile madness is telling people that it's okay to be waiting in a more for
someone to come and shoot down
uh... you know that art modern democracies you don't have to worry
about someone coming to shoot you an um all over an hour supports year law
student and a m kindergarten no no i'm not mistaken and i think that's all
right and again your honor i have had some of the greatest mass murders
industry sent here to enhance our own country the largest mass murder at a
school
all occurred in nineteen twenty nine in michigan when thirty seven people were
murdered by a guy with bombs
sorry it here today that's a fact and i realize that they could perhaps persuade
does countryside astronomically lower rates at the end up in you know that
work
left a gift that i heard that we've been talking about mass murders and the fact
of the matter is
europe has had an
at least dot astronomically lower rates up got larry and you know that
and i had overall hamas and you know why i have also dramatically lower than ours
larry if if you'll be more until i translated math
of the last century my friend
they were and not able to stop at a mass murderer called hitler or another one
called lenin began to go out and so there's another resisting that at all
and i think we have to wait what when we're talking about her killer inched
role laws and is crazy
to suggest that somehow they have this lower great of murder i think we have a
bladder attack hall i i i i don't hear and find out what happened about a half
of the idea and eight you know that someone inside your factory but i dont
gaspard group that has occurred by their governments facilitated caused by
directly brought about by and pre ceded by done confiscation
that's a good story of the last century in europe laminated you've got guys when
they pick it up their perspective if i may
number one i don't think that talking about world war two is relevant to
talking about
the math shootings that were having in the u_s_ in twenty twelve first of all
but secondly
when we talk about regulation restriction on guns
the idea of taking everyone's guns is number one not on the table
and number two oh that's not constitutional so no one's talking about
the fearmongering that were saying about
if we start regulating guns were all of a sudden taking everyone's guns i think
that's being way below ninety regulate guns we say that you can't have a gun in
the mall
that is unconstitutional that is a nice deadly are going on as the air finding
out election isn't it interesting that in oregon
the mass murderer was cut very short because he saw somebody coming with
undone well latte i think that the competition talked about well-regulated
right for the idea of not having that no guns in specific places as pop wouldn't
that be a part of the regulation
let let's get back to factor in the end of the late spiritually
break when when our founders debated the second amendment
there is existing surviving debate
and and these things are facts not not extra conspiracy theory
the issue of the individual soul depends was not the pin mansions
in those debates those debates one hundred-percent of all the discussion
centered around military star this
ins eight militia forces with the second amendment
james madison who was a federalist by the way amend that believe that only by
strengthening the federal government could we preserve argument
he was attempting to balance control of the state militia between the federal
government
and the states because in the constitution which came before the bill
of rights
medicine that given the great control
over the militia to the federal congress
which were really anti federalists and people concerned about states rights so
you know all this insurrection in some
coming from larry
about how he wants to arm himself against are governed meant and shoot and
kill government officials when you think search a radical
baccarat and you don't excuse me james madison was an insurrection as he was
part
of an insurrection against british tyranny
and is only about uh... somehow i'm participating in conspiracy theories
we've caught our own government in fast and furious supplying the mexican cartel
with a very kinds of guns you all would like to ban i think that goes over the
top let's take a pause from the constitutional conversation and i want a
kind of uh... as we we we don't have a limited time i wanna
focusing very specifically on the idea of
more guns in schools doesn't basic logic tell us that
these same teachers
that the american right has been calling overpaid and on-call qualified
becoming gun toting security guard
ken only lead to disaster lab
it's madness stated i'm not gonna treat is serious and the people preaching a
art our people in our government
well are you know preaching the kind of insurrection his ideology that you're in
for larry unlike anita treated seriously more nam awake at night after project
hello evidently down streets self-defense seriously to say that
somehow
a teacher would have been perfectly useless in stopping a mass murderer is
to do with uh... they say that nobody should be able to defend themselves and
i think that's part of the problem is that there's a tendency to say that
self-defense is somehow
uh... unproductive workout for productive and
only leads to worse things happening
how worse doesn't have to get with twenty seven people dead surely had
somebody come barging into that classroom with a gun dot would have had
a much greater chance of ending it
rather than that
creek running out of bullets
but i just think it's just that
any
you know he carry hilarious he's lobbied for years that we can our gun laws to
the point where lunatics like geritol their james holmes adam lanza can be
easily england's often legally
because of his lobbying
and now he's telling us that because he's done that
antique and he's putting us under threat everyday
that we should have to bring guns into a classroom with five and six year olds i
think that's that's garsten i think it's time to three you had a slight
self-defense is disgusting then there's not much i can do that all of the night
on larry after their underground would have been very on discussing it would've
been discussing only
to the mass murderer
and uh... it uh... your finding that disgusting then we really have a
different point of view on the world only but we certainly do
alright out there certainly much more they can be said i think we've uh...
we've seen
that people are coming out this from drastically different sides i wonder how
possibly we could ever come together on some kind of compromise on this
hopefully the next the next few days weeks and months will give us a sense of
that i wish we had more time we've been speaking with larry pratt the executive
director of gun owners of america
and lad everett the director of communications at the coalition to stop
gun violence ajami i'd appreciate you being here today even if we couldn't get
much agreement
the news
thank you david
thank you guys take care