Speaker 1: We have learned about the forthcoming testimony of the former deputy national security
adviser to Donald Trump in front of the January six Trump Riot Committee. This is a really,
really big deal. Now, I know many of you are wondering the same thing. I'm wondering, is this
witness, the one that Donald Trump tried to call in order to tamper with influence his forthcoming
testimony? We don't know the answer to that, but we'll get back to that in a moment. First on CNN,
former Trump National Security Council official will testify at Thursday's January six hearing.
This is not like some intern or coffee boy. This is the deputy national security
adviser. And in fact, it's widely known that the deputy national security adviser
is often the person really running the National Security Council. Who's who who becomes sort of
the intermediary between the Security Council, the national security adviser and everybody else.
Matthew Pottinger is his name. He served on Trump's NSC before resigning in the aftermath
of January 6th. There is a primetime hearing on Thursday night. My intent, like Joe Biden says,
my intent is to cover it, baby permitting. He will testify publicly at Thursday's primetime hearing.
Pottinger is slated to appear alongside former Trump White House aide Sarah MATTHEWS, who is
believed to have quite extreme or nuanced nuance or both really insights into the Trump White
House. CNN previously reported that MATTHEWS, who was deputy press secretary until resigning
shortly after January six, was expected to testify publicly. When she resigned, Matthew said she was
honored to serve in Trump's administration, but was deeply disturbed by what she saw.
Pottinger, Trump's deputy national security adviser, stepped down in response to Trump's
reaction to his supporters breaching the U.S. Capitol. He told people there was very little
for him to consider. A spokesperson for the committee has declined to comment.
We are going to see some very, very real stuff on what is right now the final scheduled hearing
from the January six Trump Riot Committee. The headline here dramatically understates
who Matthew Pottinger was. It simply says National Security Council official. As I said,
we're talking here about the principal deputy national security adviser. Front row. To
everything that was going on in that extremely high level organization, group committee,
whatever you want to call it. Now, there are a few things that are going to happen. First of all,
is the question, did Donald Trump call you to try to talk to you about this testimony?
And we don't know the answer to that. We know her, Liz Cheney, that Donald Trump tried to call
some forthcoming witness. It may be Matthew Pottinger, it may not. Hopefully, members of
Congress on the committee asked that question on Thursday, and we will get an answer. Number two,
Trump will probably attempt the typical smear campaign that he does when people testify
and when people become disgruntled or whatever term you want to use,
he will say, This was not a particularly good employee. He wasn't particularly bright and on and
on and on. And of course, there are two different issues with that. Number one, Trump says it about
everyone who has something negative to say about him. That's number one. And of course, number two,
Trump ran on I know how to hire people. And the best people I can tell who's good and who's not
good. I can tell who's smart. Not smart, good at a job. And individual after individual who is left.
We're talking about Rex Tillerson. We're talking about John Bolton. It's a very
long list. Cassidy Hutchinson. More recently in terms of the witnesses in this committee.
Trump attacks them and says they weren't smart and all these different things. Well, you hired him.
You hired him and you said you're hiring was really the best thing that you did. Now,
what happens after the committee is done? We don't know the answer to that. There is the
the question continues to be, will Merrick Garland and the Department of Justice charge anyone based
on what was learned in this committee? We don't know the answer to that. I think that there are
two different ways to look at this. One, if you came to me and you said, sir. Obama Right. Do you
have any reason to believe Merrick Garland plans to charge people based on this committee? I would
say no. I have no reason to believe that. The only thing we've heard is the DOJ is paying attention
to the committee hearings. Okay. But we have seen no evidence that Garland is willing to do what
would be admittedly very difficult in charging some of these former officials. On the other hand,
it is true that it takes a while to put cases together, and it's completely plausible, realistic
that if indeed the DOJ learned about possible crimes from watching the committee hearings
and they started investigations only when the committee committee hearings took place,
it's completely plausible that it would take a couple to a few months to put together a case and
investigate whether there are charges there are confident they could get a guilty verdict on. So.
The timing is not really the issue for me. It's reasonable that they hear about something in June
and they might charge in October or November or December that the timeline isn't really
the concern. The concern is it seems as though there's kind of a meekness
with regard to even really seriously considering charging these people
up to and including Donald Trump. And that's what makes me wonder,
is it just they're putting cases together or is it there's no real interest and willingness
to actually do what would be very difficult but would be the right thing to do if that's where
the facts point. Let me know what you think is taking place. You can find me on Twitter
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