Two days after this massacre, authorities are slowly admitting that everything they
told us was in fact untrue.
There was no school resource officer,
They're not even sure the door is barricaded these matter these questions.
Okay, so, tucker, he's getting frustrated with the cops.
Now Fox news starting to finally realize after only their entire lives that cops
might lie, that an official police press conferences,
you can't necessarily trust what they have to say.
That has been true their whole lives.
It's never bothered them before because they've liked the lies that
cops have told.
But now they understand that everybody is really angry about the Vivaldi mass
shooting and they're supposed to pretend for a few days that they're angry too.
And so, we're gonna go into a little bit more of some of their hosts having
an issue with all the lies.
Here is a bit more of tucker Carlson.
>> So the point is not to point fingers or blame people.
Nobody wants a school shooting.
Everyone's heart is broken by it.
But the authorities are not allowed to
lie to us in the aftermath of an event like this.
Even at the Parkland School shooting,
when police staged outside the students are being murdered.
Police wound up inside the building 11 minutes after the shooter.
But in this case it was 16 minutes.
Why was that?
We have a right to know.
But today police wouldn't say,
was there a school resource officer who exchanged fire with the gunmen.
That's not something you would imagine that either happened or it didn't and
you would know right away if it happened or it didn't, it didn't happen, but
they said it did happen.
That's a lie.
Why did they lie?
>> No matter how pro law enforcement you are and we are,
there's only so much bs you can take in the face of a tragedy like this.
>> At least until a few more days go by and then he'll stop talking about it.
So look, he's at least admitting that the cops are lying.
My, I guess would be, and thus what will change about tucker Carlson and
his approach to policing or the funding of policing?
What sorts of candidates will tucker Carlson support and endorse in the future?
What will their approaches to law enforcement or
gun control will be like nothing, nothing is going to change.
So that's my frustration.
Tucker Carlson is good at reading the room and getting an idea if belatedly when he's
wrong on a topic, it took him several weeks for instance, on the war in Ukraine.
But I don't think that he's actually going to change.
He's not gonna be more questioning of the cops, but maybe you're more optimistic.
>> That would be ironic, but no, I do see something breaking at
Fox news like this apparently there's a line before.
We never saw a line in our entire lives from the minute that Fox
news went on Eric to now there was no bottom to that barrel.
But now several coming and going, maybe all those dead kids is a slight problem.
Maybe we should do something.
Maybe that cop who's obviously lying, maybe we'll report for
the first time in Fox news history that a cop might have lied.
And so, >> But wait really fast though.
His issue is that there might not have been an armed cop out the outside of
the front door.
Like at the end of the day,
what he wishes was true is the same stuff that all those other Fox hosts and
republican politicians have been calling for tucker Carlson, unless I've missed.
It is not saying we can't trust these cops, this whole situation is crazy and
thus let's ban assault rifles.
He just wants more armed people on schools.
>> No, john I totally get that, but we're not looking for like it overnight Fox news
school, we were right wrong, we're now progressives of course not, right?
But the reason why that's important, we're gonna show you a couple more clips.
The reason why this is important is because their audience remember
does not watch any other media.
So for their entire lives, that right wing audience has been taught and brainwashed
that cops are the most angelic, most honest people you will ever meet.
So for the first time in their lives they're hearing from right wing media that
maybe cops are liars at least on some occasions and
that's a new thought for them.
It introduces a new concept and
that is the beginning of change and I'm not giving fox credit.
I'm just pointing out even they couldn't take this and you'll see more in a second.
>> Yeah, I think, Fox is incapable, all of their hosts, their producers, the people
who find them incapable of doing anything outside of their own self interests.
And I've been thinking, you know, what is their self interest and
actually supporting gun control.
And if you think about it,
every single mass shooting that we've had recently has been either deliberately or
pretty clearly racist, right, or has had clear racial undertones.
And who is pushing white nationalist rhetoric, it's Fox.
So if there is ever a violent response in some capacity to these mass shootings,
Fox is a huge target.
And I honestly think they're starting to get scared that they're complicit and
sometimes the cause of these mass shootings and also I would point to guns
in America being used to uphold white supremacy now and
since our country's founding.
And when I think about federal background check legislation, including
misdemeanors like disorderly conduct, like simple possession of marijuana,
that's going to disarm the communities most affected by over policing.
There's a reason that Reagan was pushing gun control when the black panthers
decided to arm themselves.
And so I don't think Foxes intentions are pure, but
that doesn't mean that this can't have a positive impact.
>> Okay, I will try to be optimistic, I will try to push out of my mind that
Tucker Carlson spent the entirety of 2020 being perfectly fine with the cops,
brutalizing protesters in cities throughout America.
Breaking people's skulls and driving into crowds.
And he didn't have an issue with Trump black bagging people and
tossed into the back of unmarked vehicles and he was fine with them,
clearing protesters out of the front of the white house.
Battering people who are just playing guitars.
He is one of the most active enthusiasts for a tyrannical police state.
So I'm gonna take his newfound criticism of the cops with some massive
grains of salt, some anarchist Berrien sized grains of salt, but
in any event he's not the only person at Fox.
So let's go to a person who admittedly has been more reasonable more times than
tucker Carlson, this is Brian Kilmeade.
>> The kids were bleeding, so the sooner you get in there,
who knows what an EMT could have been able to do, had they got in there quicker?
And they're not trained essentially to handle this.
And there's no excuse to leave that back door open and
there's no excuse to come out with some fable that they were engaged by
a resource officer that was armed when that is flat out fiction.
That's not bad communication, that is a lie.
>> And like I said Brian Kilmeade,
I think is among the most reasonable people at Fox.
My issue, even with that is he is now identifying a problem cops, lying, that
trains the audience to think a solution is more honest cops or more brave cops.
When those are not the solutions, the solutions are for
the guy to not have an a.
>> Well, I could use some more brave cops to and by that, I mean,
don't train them to not ever risk their lives,
don't train them that their lives are more valuable than the citizen's lives.
So that's how you get braver cops, if you don't teach them to be cowards.
So it's a start.
And look Brian Kilmeade, live either.
I mean, by a long, long stretch he's wrong, 98% of the time, so wow,
he's better than tucker Carlson by a couple percentage points.
Right, but this isn't about Brian Kilmeade or tucker Carlson being good guys.
This is about even Fox news apparently having a limit and going, well,
I guess that kids are bad and I, so and they obviously lied and
they obviously didn't go in the building even we can't cover this up.
>> Yeah, I think there are pieces of the problems that are being addressed by some
of the legislations and solutions that are being produced at this time.
But I think in this moment we've really got to think about comprehensive solutions
and I want to quote Akilah, who's an organizer and community leader who said
this week, the solution to school shootings is not arming the teachers.
The solution to school shootings is not putting more police in schools.
It is crazy to think the solution for
gun violence in schools is to put more guns in schools.
The solution is funding these schools,
the community providing living wages, addressing poverty, homelessness,
providing universal access to health care therapy.
The solution is so far beyond gun reform or gun control.
Get rid of the Second Amendment, entirely disarmed the police, then disarmed
the people you've been lied to and the experiment has gone horribly wrong.
And with that said, you should be defunding the police, defunding
the military and reallocating that money to the people and these communities.
And I think, that's a really big statement.
And there will be a lot of people saying something like that's never gonna pass
through Congress right now.
Nothing is passing through Congress right now.
Not even the compromise legislation, HR 1446.
And I think in this moment,
we need a response of equal magnitude to the problem.
>> I mean, I'll take background checks.
I mean, if they abandon assault rifles, I would be ecstatic, look, I'll be honest,
I'm afraid that the defund police talk now is just gonna help them go, that's it.
We're not doing anything, because doing something means defunding the police and
now everybody is even more scared for their kids.
So I don't love the timing on that, if I'm being honest.
So, and defund the police is over here, 17 incredibly reasonable,
massively popular positions are right here and
we won't even take the first inch towards that.
So, but we have one more fox anchor here,
Martha McCullum actually proposing some degree of gun control.
Never seen before on Fox news.
>> It's a guardrail, right?
If you make it a 21 law or is someone suggested even making it so that you have
to have, you can't rent a car until you're 26 years old in this country and
everybody likes to go driving on the weekends to write, but you can't do that.
You can't rent a car until you're 26.
Another suggestion is to have an older adults of a certain age who comes along
with you for the purchase of that gun in order to have that background check done.
There are there are things that will not take away anyone's freedom and
that might help to save some lives.
And I think it's time for people to come together on both sides of the aisle and
figure out what some of those might be.
>> See, I already see John getting frustrated at what a miniscule proposal
that is.
No, I'm okay with, I'm okay with most of that.
It is minuscule, but it's Fox that I'm okay with, I was more getting frustrated.
Like she's pointing out the other thing with the car and everything.
I was just thinking about the fact that in Texas you literally can't smoke marijuana.
Too dangerous.
Too dangerous marijuana, you can have an air of 15 which would allow you to serve
in like most militaries around the world.
But but we'd too dangerous.
So I'm frustrated but I'll take all the things she just said.
But if saying that you can't buy a gun until you're 26 as she's partly
alluding to there.
That would be the biggest gun control law we've had in decades in America.
And that's and even Fox News is saying, well I mean why don't we do that?
And by the way Geraldo also argued for gun control in that segment in another segment
Neil Cavuto challenge senator Ron Johnson saying because he said the school
shootings are because of critical race theory because he's a lunatic.
And Cavuto said, but school shootings have been happening long before CRT.
So that's anchor number four or five now.
And and then they had Lee Greenwood on and
he has the songs about how proud he is proud to be an American.
Which by the way, secretly I love that's such a secret I've said it many times.
And he was gonna go, he's a big conservative and
he was gonna go sing at the NRA Convention.
He pulled out and he was on Fox News and he said on Fox News,
I can't be supporting these guns that got all these kids killed.
That's why I came out of the convention.
So it is the first time a conservative audiences hearing that guns might not be
so great and that cops might not always be honest to me, that's a huge development.