Judy: When the supreme court
overturned roe V. Wade, the
battle of abortion rights
shifted to the state level.
Now, abortion services are
banned legally in seven states.
Bans will soon go into effect in
other states with trigger laws.
President Biden set I think
people will be shocked when the
first state tries to arrest a
woman for crossing a state lied
to get health services.
I don't think people believe
that is going to happen, but it
is going to.
Battles have already begun.
In some states, abortion
providers have been left
confused with conflicting laws
and shifting guidance from
leaders.
Joining me now to discuss this
new patchwork of laws is the
faculty director of the center
on reproductive health, law, and
policy at the UCLA school of
law.
Welcome to the news hour.
I think the number of people
look at what they think may
happen and they think of the
coasts of the country largely
being open to abortion but the
middle of the country and the
south will not be.
Is that roughly what the cap --
country is going to look like
now.
>> We are seeing red states and
blue states being pulled further
apart.
We knew they would enact more
legislation and more
restrictions.
In blue states we are seeing a
lot of lawmaking as well to
amplify protections and increase
funding for care.
Where you live in this country
is extremely determinative of
your rights.
And will be even more so moving
forward.
Judy: Within the states that
have conservative Republican
leadership in the governor's
office and legislatures, many of
these states have trigger laws.
Abortion bands were to go into
effect.
-- Bans were to go into effect.
We see challenges and some of
them.
What do you see unfolding in
these states?
>> I think it remains to be
seen.
I would describe the situation
nationwide now as chaotic.
The fact.
We see clinics canceling
appointments.
It's I think judges are
scrambling to figure out some of
that.
Have they been superseded by the
laws?
Do these trigger laws comport
with state constitutions?
The supreme court said the
United States constitution does
not protect your right to
abortion.
But now we have 50 other
constitutions under which we
will have to decide which rights
are available.
A lot of them have equal
protection.
We will have to look at the
state level.
Judy: And then you have states
with a democratic governor or
democratic state legislature.
They will be seeking to protect
women's access to abortion.
What do you see unfolding there
in terms of challenges?
>> Icd a lot of laws being
passed in terms of ink using
funding and the number of
providers.
Some of the challenges will
involve loose states trying to
insulate diders and those who
help people seeking care from
attempts by antiabortion states
to reach across borders.
States like California are
passing laws saying we will not
use our state courts or state
law enforcement to extradite
people or enforce judgments when
they are contrary to our,
duchenne and our commitments.
Judy: I want to ask you about
what president Biden said today.
That he will be on the look of
peer that we should all be on
the lookout for states that will
essentially be going after
women.
Who try to cross a state line to
go against abortion.
>> The law is very are in clear
in this regard.
I think that was a very
important single.
Justice Kavanaugh set of a state
tries to abandon abortion seeker
from leaving the state to get
care, he said that would clearly
violate the constitutional right
to travel.
He said there are some limits on
how much red states can try to
ask and their laws to conduct
that happens beyond their
borders.
I will just say that there has
been commentary from the right
or a long time that overruling
roe would get the courts out of
the abortion umpiring business.
I don't think that will happen.
There will be a lot of messy and
complicated legal questions.
Judy: In regard to some of
those, what about any laws with
regard to medication-induced
abortion, which we now
constitutes over half of
abortions.
>> I think that will be a big
area of litigation moving
forward.
The fda has found medication to
be safe up to 10 weeks.
There is a possibility that the
fda determinations may preempt
some state restrictions.
I do think it will be a big part
of the puzzle.
I think we will see lawsuits
about it.
We will see how strong the
rulings about the safety of this
medication are.
Judy: I know you are telling us
you are also looking at the
effect all of this could have on
women's access to health care
broadly speaking.
>> We are seeing some reports
that doctors and providers and
Armand those have been --
pharmacists have been hesitant
to fulfill prescriptions.
They are involved in miscarriage
care.
But they are also used in
medication for abortion.
Some of these laws are so broad
and vague that providers are
afraid that even if they are
treating ectopic pregnancies and
miscarriages, overzealous
prosecutors may come after them.
We are seeing doctors already
pulling back from care.
This may affect the health of
many women.
Judy: We are looking at a lack
of clarity for some time to
come.
We thank you.