- Hey!
And also...
and now...
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- All right. So for you,
it is the ability to create life.
And that's basically what makes you a woman
- Femininity and womanhood is so much more than just
you know, getting dressed up and putting on makeup.
And, just the way I feel,
it's who I am on a biological level.
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- [Announcer] Men can be feminists.
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- I mean, I'm wearing a hoodie
that says men can be feminist too.
I feel like I have to be over here.
- I think most men that are feminists are
like usually either lazy, virtue signaling,
just want to see , or access to easy sex.
- I think it depends on your definition of feminism.
Like modern day feminism, I would say yes.
Like traditional feminism, like advocating for,
you know, traditional femininity
and nondiscrimination in the workplace.
Like I think those things men can agree with.
- I see what you're saying when you're like
there's this performative feminism that a lot of guys do.
So if a male feminist is like,
"Oh, I only support, like, women."
And it's just only about that, but he's not even talking
about how, like, feminism needs to support men
or like trans people or whatever,
then there is a performative-ness to it.
- [Announcer] White feminist voices are too loud.
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- I somewhat agree,
like that white feminist voices are too loud,
but then I think that they become really good
at using black women or black faces when they want to,
you know, push their movement further.
- I agree that it's probably not balanced
and I think it probably needs to be more equal.
I guess the reason why I'm
at somewhat disagree is just because I'm hesitant to say
that anyone speaking up for their views is too loud.
- I think that's fine.
And I can definitely see what you're saying.
I just hate, like, when some
of these movements use black women
when it's convenient for them
- There's not discussion about the Latinas immigrant
how they're get treated on the feminist movement.
You know, it's always about either the pro choice side
or something else that is more interesting to white.
- When you think of feminism,
you usually think of a white lady.
And I think that's still perpetuated,
even though there'd be like a lot of black women
behind the scenes doing a lot of the heavy lifting,
and often are in a lot of civil rights movements.
White women have certain rights
they need through feminism, as other people,
but they're just always taken more seriously by everyone.
- [Announcer] I'll read off a list of public figures
and you'll go to your left if you believe the person
to be a feminist,
or the right if you don't think they're a feminist
Kim Kardashian
- I wouldn't say that she isn't a feminist.
I don't think that's her number one thing.
- She went from doing her show
and the whole like sex scandal thing to like, you know,
now she's working in law and civil rights,
and she's done the whole family thing.
Ultimately, I think that Kim Kardashian is a woman
that has like done what she's wanted to do.
- Amy Coney Barrett
- Amy Coney Barret, in my opinion,
is like the epitome of a feminist.
She's literally like a Supreme Court justice
in like the highest court of the land.
And she totally disproves the narrative that women
have to choose between having a career and a family.
- I don't really agree with her a lot
on a political stances,
but I think more so as just
being a role model for women to be on a level
of the Supreme court where it's primarily dominated by men.
- [Announcer] JK Rowling
- Three years ago, I would've said yes.
And there's still a lot of reasons I would.
She was a single mom, she wrote all the books,
she became a billionaire.
The reason I would say kind of no now is her
just kind of weird anti-trans
zealotry
she's gotten involved in
that kind of undercuts a lot of her other feminist stuff.
- I mean, I disagree that just
for the fact that she expresses her own opinions
that now people like literally crucified her
and really wanna like put her under
and undermine everything she has done, you know.
- It's just, she has such a big platform
that when you're talking like this very extreme stuff
about a marginalized group, that's really the issue.
- Why should women, like, with a platform be forced to align
with the mainstream narrative
of what it means to be a woman and a feminist?
Like why can't her own personal journey be enough?
- It's, it really comes down to not that it's an opinion,
it's that she's spreading a lot of dangerous misinformation.
- But based on what though, because you don't agree with it?
- No, it's scientific facts.
Like she's just talking about stuff that's incorrect.
And her ideas about trans men have affected legislation
that harms trans men getting the resources they need
- [Announcer] Trans women are women.
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- [Andy] I think we're all just positioned here based
on our political beliefs and as for how we see LGBTQ.
- I mean, I think it's also split between,
all the men are on that side
and all the women are on this side.
I know, being a woman,
that there are certain things that we have to deal
with as women that people who are not, you know,
biologically women don't have to deal with.
I mean, we have to like deal with having our periods
and go through that really awkward stage
when we're 13 and people who are, you know,
trans women don't have to go through that.
- Trans women live their entire lives as women.
They don't turn it off.
It's not something that they're turning off
and then to come up to them and say, oh yeah,
I see you doing this, but you're not a woman.
You know, it's kind of insulting
- How do you live your life as a woman?
'Cause every single time somebody says that, it's
they name the most stereotypical things.
It's like putting on a dress, putting on makeup.
It's biological.
I was born a woman. - So all it is is biological?
- I can't be a man.
I can't be a man,
no matter how much I try. - So if it's 100% biological
- I can't be. - and it's just,
you know, chromosomes and that's it?
- Are the differences just chromosomes,
just having children?
That's like so hurtful and discriminatory against women
because femininity and womanhood is so much more than just
you know, getting dressed up and putting on makeup,
and just the way I feel.
It's who I am on a biological level.
- Right. So for you, it is the ability to create life.
And that's basically what makes you a woman?
- What makes you a man?
Or would you consider yourself a man?
I probably should ask, 'cause I don't
- Yeah. I was born a man. I behave as a man.
I carry myself
in society as a man. - So what would I have to do
to be a man like you? I wanna be a man now.
- So we, we can both agree that our society has things
that men generally do.
Things that women generally do.
Right? If you start to fall on one side of the spectrum
versus the other side of the spectrum
then you're gonna be treated as that gender.
- I think it's a little obscure
that we're looking at it as such a basic requirement.
More so that, I mean,
humans are much more evolved than any other animals.
So why are we still using just the requirement of,
well if that person has a penis he's a male,
or that person has a vagina, they're a female.
- I think you're a masculine woman or a feminine man
that doesn't make you that gender.
And to try to like deny just basic biological facts,
we all all learn this in high school.
Like, let's stop acting like it's something new
and different now because it's like the hip thing to say.
- Well, I think there's like a lot
of conflating of being female versus being a woman.
Being female is chromosomal, it's what you're born as.
Being a woman is a societal construct.
They can align, like yours obviously all align.
Like you pointed over here,
you're like, "All the men over here."
The first 30 years of my life, I was a woman.
I transitioned.
It's a disconnect with who,
what you're born as
and what you feel you should be.
- So gender dysphoria.
- [Leon] Yes.
- Okay. I can believe that.
I 100% could believe it. Yeah.
- If it was just like,
I just wanted to be a masculine woman, then sure.
That's easy to do. But that didn't work.
I'm not gonna say I'm male.
I wasn't born with XY. That'll never change.
And no trans person will ever tell you they're
biologically born that way.
Because if anyone knows anything about biology,
it's trans people.
That's why they have to get hormones
and do all this other stuff.
And it doesn't take away your womanhood
if someone else is a different type of woman.
It's a different experience that shouldn't make you
feel less of a woman if they're around, or vice versa.
- [Announcer] Do you all feel like
the feminist movement should be fighting
for trans women within that movement?
- I mean, it should be fighting for everyone's genders
whether they're trans women, trans men, CIS women, CIS men,
or non-binary people.
That's just part of feminism.
- I don't think so.
I think it defeats the entire movement.
- [Announcer] Every feminist should be pro-choice.
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- I consider myself to be a pro-life feminist.
And I think that the idea that we can tell women
that they can't identify as feminists
unless they say that their pro-choice
goes totally against everything that feminism stands for.
- I agree with that.
And I think that's actually something that's beautiful
about womanhood and women in general
and something that kinda shows ways
that modern feminism has kind of been a little exclusionary
because women come
from all different backgrounds and thought processes,
and I think we should support the freedom of choice,
the freedom of speech,
regardless of the lifestyle that that woman wants to choose.
- If you personally feel you're pro-life, that's fine.
Feminism as a movement should be pro-choice
to allow anyone to choose whatever path they wanna have
whether they wanna have children,
or not have children, or have abortions, or whatever.
But if feminism is pro-life, then you've blocked one group
of people from choosing whether they wanna to have abortions
or their own family planning.
- One of the push-backs that I would just love to
give is I believe that abortion is wildly discriminatory
against women and against people with disabilities.
Baby girls are aborted at a higher rate, which is so sexist.
And so I truly don't think that you
can be a feminist who is pro-choice
because these are discriminatory practices.
- So I am pro-choice.
I feel like somebody should have whatever type
of choice that they wanna make.
They should have an equal say, as far as, "Hey,
this is my body. I want to be able to have an abortion."
or just as equally, I wanna say, "I'm gonna have this baby."
So, and I do believe it's 100% up to the woman.
A feminist should probably be more aligned
with giving someone their own choice.
- [Announcer] Menstrual products should be free.
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- Just being able to provide, for example
on the low income school, you know
there's a lot of girls that cannot afford them, you know
and they're ashamed to ask for it.
- I mean, I personally believe
that anything that you didn't, yeah
I guess, ask for like menstrual cycles, or even
I mean, if again, to healthcare, I think that
should all be added on.
- I believe
that everyone should be compensated for their labor.
And I believe
that creating and producing menstrual products
it's a service and that people should get paid.
- Well, nobody's saying that they won't get paid
because like you said, you were born a woman
you didn't ask to have periods,
so now you have to go out
and pay taxes on, you know, we have to
pay more taxes than I do - [Mayra] Exactly
because I don't have to buy
tampons, or whatever, yeah you don't have to buy tampons
- Is this like a pandemic
of women like bleeding through their clothes
or something because I've worked with low income families.
This is never an issue I've ever heard other
than on social media.
Now are there instances, or may there be segments
in people's lives where they need like
things or they need help
or they need the community to get behind them?
Absolutely. But I don't think it's this huge crisis
that everybody is making it out to be.
I just have not seen it.
- Every woman should be a feminist
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- Once again, I feel like that kind of goes
against everything that feminism stands for by saying
that a woman has to think a certain way
- Every woman should be a feminist instead of
every woman has to be a feminist
is kind of why I went to the strongly agree.
Yes, you should be a feminist if you're a woman,
because you should want equal rights.
- Going back,
I think people have really misinterpreted the word feminist
and you know,
but most women should be feminist, but they are.
I think to me, they are.
I don't know any woman that is not a feminist.
But they don't call themselves it
because of the extreme feminism.
Like for example, I like to serve my husband.
You know that's something I like.
That doesn't make me not a feminist. That's who I am.
He likes to do other things like change my tires.
I will never do that.
That doesn't mean I'm not a feminist, you know.
- [Announcer] And that is officially a wrap, you guys.
- [Mayra] Oh wow! (applause)
- [Johnathan] High-fives, alright.
Here you go, High-five.
- [Grace] I'm giving you a hug.
- [Rhonda] That is so good.
- [Grace] Good job.
- [Johnathan] High-five.
High-five all around.
All right. Right on.