YOU KNOW MY FIRST GUEST FROM "THE DARK
KNIGHT" AND "SECRETARY."
SHE NOW STARS IN THE HBO SERIES "THE DEUCE."
PLEASE WELCOME MAGGIE GYLLENHAAL!
♪ ♪ ♪ ( APPLAUSE )
>> Stephen: HEY.
>> HEY.
>> Stephen: NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
>> NICE TO SEE YOU, TOO.
>> Stephen: WE'VE MET A COWL OF TIMES, BUT I'VE NEVER HAD A
CHANCE TO INTERVIEW YOU BEFORE, EVEN THOUGH WE WERE IN THE SAME
MOVIE ONCE TOGETHER.
>> WHAT MOVIE WERE WE IN.
>> Stephen: "THE GREAT NEW WONDERFUL."
>> BUT DID WE ACT -- >> Stephen: WE'RE GOING TO DO
A SCENE.
I CAME OVER AND SAID HI TO YOU ON "THE DAILY SHOW SM OF THE.
>> YOU DIDN'T COME OVER.
YOU DIDN'T COME OVER.
YOU WERE LEANING BACK WITH YOUR COFFEE AND THE KITCHEN PARK YOU
WALK THROUGH BEFORE YOU GO ON STAGE AND YOU WERE LIKE, "I'VE
GOT A NEW SHOW."
>> Stephen: THIS WAS IN 2005, THIS WAS IN 2005.
>> AND YOU SAID, "WILL YOU COME BY ON MY SHOW?"
AND I SAID, "YES, I WILL."
BUT THEN-- ACTUALLY, I WAS ON YOUR SHOW.
DID YOU KNOW THAT.
>> Stephen: YOU PERFORMED.
>> I WAS THE MUSICAL GUEST WITH THE MOVIE "FRANK," AND WE WERE A
KIND OF ODD, NOT TOTALLY GREAT --
>> Stephen: I DIDN'T INTERVIEW YOU, NO.
WHEN I SAID I WANTED YOU ON MY SHOW, HERE WE ARE.
>> I AM ACTUALLY A REALLY BIG FANS OF YOURS WHICH IS WHY I
THINK I'M NERVOUS TONIGHT IS THERE YOU'RE NERVOUS?
>> I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY AM I SO NERVOUS, BACK THERE.
I'VE DONE THIS BEFORE.
IT'S BECAUSE I'M A FAN OF YOURS.
I THINK YOU'RE AWESOME.
>> Stephen: THAT'S NICE.
I THINK YOU'RE AWESOME, TOO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SIP OF WATER?
NOW I HAVE INTERVIEWED YOUR BROTHER.
>> OKAY.
>> Stephen: AND WE DO NOT RANK GYLLENHAALS HERE, WE LOVE THEM
EQUALLY.
BUT YOU'RE THE BETTER GYLLENHAALS, AREN'T YOU?
YOU'RE THE BETTER ONE.
WHO WAS THE BETTER KID BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU?
WAS THERE A BETTER CHILD?
WAS THERE A DEMOCRATON CHILD AND A GOOD CHILD?
>> JAKE WAS A DEMON CHILD.
NO, REALLY, HE WAS.
AND THEN I GOT NAUGHTY LATER.
( LAUGHTER ).
>> Stephen: IS THERE-- IS THERE ANY PROOF THAT YOU GOT
NAUGHTY LATER?
LIKE, IN WHAT WAY?
YOU WERE TROUBLESOME, TROUBLESOME TO YOUR PARENTS.
>> THANKFULLY THERE WASN'T INTERNET THEM.
NO, MY BROTHER WAS REALLY TROUBLESOME WHEN HE WAS LITTLE.
YEAH, HE GOT IN TROUBLE A LOT.
>> Stephen: STRONG HEADED?
>> YEAH, AND LIKE A WILD KID.
>> Stephen: I HAVE OLDER SISTERS, I HAVE SELF OF THEM,
AND MY SISTER LULU CAN TELL ME WHAT TO DO, AND SHE'LL SAY IT
AND I'LL TO IT.
SO MY FAMILY KNOWS TO TELLER HER IF THEY WANT ME TO DO SOMETHING.
CAN YOU TELL JAKE WHAT TO DO?
WILL HE LISTEN TO YOU?
>> MAYBE, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT.
>> Stephen: YOU CAN SAY, "EXPLAIN JOHNNY DARKO."
>> HAVE HIM ON THE SHOW, SIT RIGHT HERE AND I'LL SAY,
"EXPLAIN JOHNNY DARKO."
>> Stephen: YOU LIVE IN BROOKLYN.
YOU'RE KIND OF THE EPITOME OF BROOKLYN, ACTUALLY, INDEPENDENT
ARTIST.
>> YOU WHAT, ACTUALLY, I WAS SHOOTING A MOVIE IN BROOKLYN, ON
THE STREET MY MOM GREW UP ON.
>> Stephen: THAT'S LOVELY, THAT'S LOVELY.
>> YEAH.
AND I TOLD HER, "I'M ON RUGBY ROAD."
AND SHE SAID, ""AND RITA--" MY GREAT AUNT--" LIVED RIGHT DOWN
THE STREET."
>> Stephen: THAT'S REALLY STREET.
THAT'S REALLY NICE.
DID YOU SPEND ALL SUMMER THERE?
DID YOU GET AWAY.
WE'RE AT THE END OF SUMMER, UNFORTUNATELY.
DID YOU DO ANYTHING FUN?
>> I SHOT A MOVIE, A TEENY-TINY, GORILLA STYLE, CHANGING MY
CLOTHES IN A FERRY ON STATEN ISLAND.
>> Stephen: WOW, THAT'S VERY BROOKLYN OF YOU.
( LAUGHTER ).
>> HUH?
I'M GOING TO TAKE THAT HOME AND THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS.
>> Stephen: THAT'S LIKE MAKING A MOVIE, LIKE CANNING YOUR OWN
PICKLES-- WE'RE DOING IT OURSELVES.
>> SOMEBODY TOLD YOU I MAKE ELDERBERRY SPIRIT, DIDN'T THEY.
>> Stephen: YES.
>> I MADE FAILED ELDERBERRY SYRUP.
>> Stephen: WHERE DOES ONE GET ELDERBERRY TO BEGIN WITH?
>> I GOT THEM IN THE WOODS WHERE I WAS THE PAST FEW WEEKS.
THIS IS ALL NEW FOR ME.
LIKE CANNING, MAKING ELDERBERRY --
>> Stephen: I HEARD ROSE HIP, TEA, TOO.
>> YES.
>> Stephen: DID YOU GATHER YOUR OWN ROSE HIP?
>> YES.
>> Stephen: YOU COULD KILL YOURSELF.
I WOULDN'T RECOGNIZE A ROSE HIP IF IT SLAPPED ME.
>> LISTEN, I PUT A PICTURE OF ROSE HIPS DRYING, TRYING TO,
LYING, BE THE PERSON WHO KNOWS HOW TO DO THAT.
AND SOMEBODY ON INSTAGRAM, AND SOMEBODY WROA WROET HE AND SAID,
"BE CAREFUL OF THE SEEDS.
THEY'RE POISONOUS."
AND I WAS LIKE, "OH, OKAY.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT."
AND SO -- >> Stephen: SOMEONE SAVED YOUR
LIFE.
>> YEAH, I NEED TO GO SLOW, I THINK.
I NEED TO GO SLOW.
>> Stephen: THE NEW SERIES IS CALLED "THE DEUCE," ON HBO.
>> YEAH.
>> Stephen: CREATED BY DAVID SIMON.
>> AND GEORGE PELLICANO.
>> Stephen: WHAT IS "THE DEUCE"?
>> IT'S A NICKNAME FOR TIMES SQUARE, AND THE SHOW IS ABOUT
THE BIRTH OF THE PORN INDUSTRY IN THE 70s, WHICH REALLY
STARTED IN TIMES SQUARE.
>> Stephen: THIS IS BACK WHEN TIMES SQUARE WAS TIMES SQUARE.
>> YES.
>> Stephen: WHEN TIMES SQUARE WAS DIRTY, FILTHY, PORNOGRAPHY,
PROSTITUTION, DRUGS, ALL THAT KIND OF FUN STUFF.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> Stephen: BACK THEN, THE M&M STORE WAS A VERY ROUGH LOCATION.
YOU COULD GET KILLED IN BUBBLEGUM SHRIMP BACK THEN.
DO YOU REMEMBER TIMES SQUARE FROM BACK THEN?
YOU HUFF BEEN JUST A TAD POLE.
>> HOW OLD DO YOU THINK I AM?
HOW DARE YOU.
>> Stephen: I APOLOGIZE?
BUT IT WAS PRETTY BAD UP UNTIL THE MID-80s.
IT WASN'T LIKE IT HAD TO BE 1971.
IT WAS BAD UNTIL GIULIANI CAME ALONG.
>> IT'S TRUE.
I DO REMEMBER, AND ROABL IN THE MID-80s, VISITING MY AUNT
FREIDA AND UNCLE MURRAY -- >> Stephen: THEY LIVE AROUND
THE CORNER.
>> THEY TOOK ME TO A BROADWAY PLAY AND I REMEMBER THEM
SPEAKING IN YIDDISH IN THE TAXICAB WHEN WE DROVE THROUGH
TIMES SQUARE AND THEY SAID IN ENGLISH, "LADIES OF THE NIGHT."
AND I WAS LIKE, "WHAT'S THAT?" YOU KNOW.
( LAUGHTER ).
>> Stephen: THAT'S WHAT YOU PLAY.
YOU PLAY A LADY OF THE NIGHT.
>> I DO.
>> Stephen: A WOMAN OF THE STRADA IN THIS ONE, NAMED CANDY.
IS IT HARD TO PLAY A PROSTITUTE?
( LAUGHTER ) NO, IT'S AN HONEST QUESTION.
LIKE, IS IT HARD TO PLIPLAY A PROSTITUTE AND STILL HAVE--
CONNECT WITH SOMEONE WHO IS LETTING THEMSELVES BE ABUSED IN
AN UNREGULATED INDUSTRY TO SURVIVE?
>> WELL, THE PERSON I PLAY HAS A COMPLICATED RELATIONSHIP TO ALL
OF THIS.
I MEAN, YES, I THINK SHE IS ABUSED.
YOU SEE THAT IN A REALLY LITERAL WAY.
BUT SHE'S ALSO ACTUALLY ULTIMATELY IS AN ARTIST, AND
REALIZES THAT SHE'S AN ARTIST THROUGH MAKING POSH.
SHE'S A FILMMAKER.
AND I THINK IN A WAY IF YOU'RE CANDY, THE CHARACTER I PLAY, YOU
GET TO SEE BOTH.
YOU GET TO SEE THE MISOGYNY, THAT I THINK IS INHERENT IN PORN
AND YOU GET TO SEE-- I DON'T JUST MEAN THIS IN A SEXUAL WAY.
IT'ST TURNS HER ON.
IT WAKES HER UP.
IT LIGHTS HER UP.
>> Stephen: YOU SAID THIS SHOW, "THE DEUCE," OFFERS A
FEMINIST PERSPECTIVE ON THE SEX INDUSTRY.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?
>> WELL, I THINK IT'S A WAY OF LOOKING AT MISOGYNY, WHICH I
THINK IS REALLY WORTH LOOKING AT, AT THE MOMENT.
I MEAN, LOOK, I THINK -- >> Stephen: YEAH YEAH, IT IS.
>> WELL, IT IS.
>> Stephen: NO, WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT WE'D HAVE ONE IN THE
WHITE HOUSE AGAIN, A MISOGYNIST.
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) >> WELL, LOOK, I-- I'LL GO MAYBE
EVEN FURTHER, RIGHT.
LIKE, I THINK WHEN WE WERE MAKING THE SHOW, IT WAS LAST
SUMMER.
IT WAS THE ELECTION.
WE WERE SHOOTING SPLITS, WHICH MEANS WE WERE SHOOTING PARTIALLY
DURING THE DAY, PARTIALLY AT NIGHT.
LIKE, SOMETIMES WE'D BE WATCHING THE DEBATES ON OUR LUNCH BREAK,
ALL OF THESE CONVERSATIONS WERE BUBBLING UNDER EVERYTHING.
THIS WAS-- WE WERE SHOOTING WHEN TRUMP WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, I
CAN GRAB WOMEN'S PUSSIES IF I WANT TO."
THAT WAS HAPPENING AS WE WERE SHOOTING.
EVEN THOUGH WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT HE WAS GOING TO BE ELECTED,
MISOGYNY WAS ON ALL OF OUR MINDS.
>> DUNT THINK THAT, OF COURSE, HE WOULDN'T BE ELECTED WHEN HE
SAID THAT?
>> YES, OF COURSE, I THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE A CONSEQUENCE FOR
IT.
BUT WHEN YOU CAN SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THERE'S NO
CONSEQUENCE, THEN WE HAVE TO SAY, WAIT, HOLD ON A SECOND.
WE'RE NOT WHERE WE THOUGHT WE WERE.
SO WHAT AN AMAZING TIME TO BE TALKING ABOUT THIS SHOW, WHICH
IS AN EXPLORATION OF MISOGYNY, ALONG WITH A LOTS OF OTHER
THINGS, WHAT AN AMAZING TIME TO SAY TO OURSELVES, WAIT, WAIT.
WE'RE NOT WHERE WE THOUGHT WE WERE."
I THINK BEFORE HE WAS ELECTED, I-- SEXIST THINGS WOULD HAPPEN
ALL THE TIME IN MY LIFE, I'D KIND OF GO, "YOU KNOW WHAT?
I'M FINE.
I DON'T NEED TO UNPACK THAT.
I DON'T NEED TO TAKE THAT APART.
I'M LUCKY.
I'M DOING FINE.
I'M JUST GOING TO TAKE THAT."
AND AFTER HE WAS ELECTED I WENT, "I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THAT
ANYMORE."
( APPLAUSE ) >> Stephen: WE HAVE A CLIP
RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS-- THIS IS YOU AS A STREET WALKER TALKING TO ANOTHER
PROSTITUTE.
DO YOU NEED TO SET THIS UP AT ALL?
>> NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
CHECK IT OUT.
>> Stephen: JIM.
>> WHAT ABOUT YOU?
WHO'S YOUR MAN?
>> NO MAN.
JUST ME.
>> NO MAN?
HOW'S THAT WORK?
>> YOU'VE GOT TO WORK A LITTLE HARDER.
YOU HAVE TO BE A LITTLE MORE CAREFUL.
SOMETIMES A GUY WILL BURN YOU FOR SOME CASH OR PRESS YOU FOR A
MOMENT OR TWO, BUT IT WORKS FOR ME.
>> ME, I NEED TO PIMP.
OTHERWISE, I TEND TO GET LAZY.
( APPLAUSE ) >> Stephen: IT WAS LOVELY TO
MEET YOU.
>> YEAH, LOVELY TO MEET YOU, TOO, FINALLY.
>> Stephen: THANKS SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
>> Stephen: "THE DEUCE" PREMIERES THIS SUNDAY ON HBO.
MAGGIE GYLLENHAAL, EVERYBODY!