Hey again, it's Jason from Fraser Valley Rose farm, it's cold outside today
So I've tucked away in a quiet corner of the house to talk about
Propagating growing roses from a bouquet those cut stem flowers that you find in a bouquet
This is not the "can I do it" or "how to do it" video. I've already made that video. I'll post it up here
I'll link it in the top right hand corner of your screen
So if you want to go straight through to there to see how it differs from regular rose propagation
That's the video for you. This is more the video of "should I do it". Is it my best option?
Are there better ways or what are the advantages and disadvantages?
So I'll go through that here. If you are from Australia stick around for at least the first point of this video here
It's important that you know that before you proceed on to making your cuttings
So my first point comes down to something
I didn't know when I made that last video in the comments of the video Alex Wongalong
Commented and said that they'd heard that
roses had been pretreated or we usually pre treated with something to stop it from rooting and I was along the lines of
Reassuring him that that wasn't the case, or maybe it was just a side effect of a treatment (GA3) to elongate the stems
that made it hard to root, but then I got a
Clarifying comment from another user (aznlover9114) I've included the exchange here
But what it turns out is is that if roses are imported to Australia
Then they are devitalised first now
Devitalised is a funny word. Let me try to use in a sentence here yesterday
I was on my way to work. I was backing out from the driveway. I
Couldn't see it coming. I heard a thump underneath the back tire and
It turns out I devitalised the neighbor's cat
So it is just a bit of scientific
Euphemism for killed or rather in the case of roses that they've been pretreated with glyphosate
To make sure that they will die after their life in your vase
the reason for this is that the Australian authorities don't want the chance that
You could introduce
Foreign pests or diseases from those roses into Australia. So they've mandated that all imported roses are
Devitalized which means of course that if you try to take cuttings from them no matter how much you follow my methods in the other
video no matter how careful you are about the thickness or
Firmness of the stem. You're not gonna have any success that way if you are looking to do cuttings in Australia
Which you know, it's November now late November. It's a good time to get cuttings
You'll have to get those cuttings locally. Even if your roses haven't been devitalised at the source. There are other reasons to consider
whether bouquet cut roses are the best source for cuttings for your
propagation success and one of those is that the way they are grown the goal that the
Growers have when they're growing and say a greenhouse in Ecuador is that they want long elongated
stretched stems that are fast grown and go to market quickly and
That tends to produce a type of growth. That is very soft. Very pithy
And sometimes you can have trouble finding on that stem a section
That is the right firmness to take a semi-hard wood cutting
So that's the very first reason is that sometimes it is hard to find a good cutting off of cut roses
Okay quickly on to reason number two. Is that for most cases when you buy cut roses?
You don't know the cultivar most suppliers
just don't give you that kind of information that gives you a couple of problems as a
Person who's trying to propagate. You Just don't know if that cultivar is any good in your garden
Is it Hardy is it disease resistant? Will it make a nice rose in the landscape?
So those considerations are very important for somebody wants to grow roses in their garden not so important for the Rose supplier
They may have chosen a cultivar
That's just really good in a in a tropical greenhouse and not for your landscape and that can cause a problem in other ways
Too like if you don't know which Rose you're getting you actually there's no way you can determine whether you have the right to propagate
this rose and
For a guy like me if I'm growing commercially if I'm trying to sell my roses certainly
I don't want to be trying to sell something that I don't have the right to but also I
Have to say there's just about zero
Commercial value in trying to sell a rose to somebody and you can't tell them the cultivar name
Everybody who buys a rose from me wants to know the cultivar wants to know it's garden characteristics
So there's just about zero value for me to propagate a rose from a bouquet if I'm doing it on a commercial basis
For you in the home
You'd have to judge
how much value you can get out of that and the third reason and I almost feel like I don't have to mention this but
if you see a rose that has wild colors like it's a bright blue or just a
Vibrant electric green or it's a rainbow colored Rose
very very likely that these are not the natural colors of the rose that they have either been dyed or
painted by the florist or the supplier
And so needless to say if you take cuttings off of that stem you are not going to have that
characteristic passed on to the resulting Rose now if you've seen my channel before, you know
I'm a rose enthusiast and you know that I'm an enthusiast for propagation
So I don't want to leave it in a spot where I've just discouraged you from taking cuttings of roses
in fact
the point of this video is to say there are some better sources of
Rose's cuttings that you can take that are more likely to give you better
Results and the first of those that I'm going to talk about is actually kind of a cheat but not really
You could actually go to the garden center in the spring when your roses are are when the landscape roses
They're selling are starting to shoot strongly and you can buy some landscape roses and I have to say the number one
Rose propagation video on YouTube done by Mike Kincaid. He does exactly that. He just goes to the garden center
It looks like he just buys some some brand new fresh
Strongly growing roses and takes cuttings just about directly off of those and not that Mike Kincaid needs
My props, but he doesn't do a nice job in that video doing it in a pop bottle rather than my propagation method
which is under timed mist so
That all said I will say one thing about this method is that you do should
Still pay attention to your right to propagate. So a lot of roses that are on the market are patented varieties
They're still within the plant patent period and I like to respect breeders rights
So I want to see that the plant breeder can still make money off of their off of their product
so a lot of the ones in the store are
Still protected by that
Some of them are not but once you know the cult of our name you can go onto the help me find website
find out when it was released and when that
Plant patent period expires and that will help you determine whether you have the legal right to go ahead and propagate those roses
Certainly. I'd like to see you do that. Even if you're a home grower, but certainly if you are a commercial grower like me
Absolutely essential that you know
You have the right to propagate from it and may be your next best way to get material for cuttings is to go online
and connect with other ros enthusiasts, so
Locally, especially so I go through Facebook myself and I made a little site or made a little group called
Canada Rose Exchange and on there
I've encouraged members to trade their roses, but also to trade cuttings and myself
I've been up with probably a half dozen members now
To trade and to take cuttings from their gardens which serves kind of a double duty here for me
I mean one obviously gives me an access to more roses for my personal collection and for my business
But the other thing is that there's so many people out there who have rare and uncommon varieties of roses
It's kind of my mission in life to keep those roses protected by propagating them and distributing them
So it's fantastic
If you can find this it's a great way to to enter into the Hobby to meet other rose growers to get their experience
But also to get some uncommon varieties that you can't find
in the store now, if you're not so much into the online thing, some people are skeptical or kind of
Suspicious of Facebook connections, and that kind of thing. That's fine
You can still do this stuff in person
If you go to your local garden club, you go to your local Rose Society or even public gardens
I'm hoping with permission
but many many gardeners are very happy to share their hobbies this way and if you hit them after their first flush of blooms,
They're probably going to be trimming back and deadheading anyway
So there's no harm to them in giving away some of that semi hardened wood that you can use for
Propagating and trying your hand at propagating roses. So a fantastic way to go for it
and finally
I'm just going to mention and I'm not even to go into detail a
Shout out to the "rose rustlers" and you can google that one on your own but another way you can consider
Getting yourself some cuttings of roses. Alright, that's it for me on this topic. I hope I've given you some food for thought on
whether taking cuttings from bouquets is
Your most productive way of getting rose is the most beneficial to you
I want to give a shout out to those users who did leave comments in my last video and on all my videos really it's
So encouraging but also sometimes enlightening
I was completely ignorant of the facts in Australia before that was pointed out to me
So I'm happy to learn that and pass that on to you
So thank you so much for your comments. And if you have any comments on this video, please leave those below