INTERVENTIONIST WING OF THE WHITE HOUSE, AGAIN WE'RE GOING
TO SEE BANNON WITH HIS TIES AND
BREITBART GOING TO WAR ON HIS OWN AGAINST TRUMP.
>> BEN SHAPIRO, FORMER EDITOR AT LARGE AT BREITBART.
BEN, YOU KNOW STEVE BANNON WELL. TAKE US INSIDE HIS HEAD.
>> OKAY, SO HERE'S WHAT'S STEVE IS PROBABLY THINKING.
STEVE HAS BEEN MARGINALIZED BY THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION FOR
MONTHS NOW. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF FIGURES
WHO ARE BEING GIVEN MORE POWER THAN HE WAS, JARED KUSHNER, H.R.
McMASTER JOHN KELLY, THE LIST GOES ON.
HE OBVIOUSLY MARGINALIZED. WHETHER HE CHOSE TO QUIT TWO
WIKZ AGO OR WHETHER HE WAS FIRED BY CHIEF OF STAFF IT WAS OBVIOUS
TO BANNON THAT HE WAS ON HIS WAY OUT.
YOU HAVE TO SEE HIS ACTIVITY AS A REAL REFLECTION OF THAT
KNOWLEDGE. WHAT HE'S DONE, HE'S PUSHED
TRUMP TO NOT DISASSOCIATE FROM THE ALT-RIGHT AND NOT
DISASSOCIATE FROM WHAT HE CONSIDERS BANNON'S BASE, AND
TRUMP ACQUIESCED AND BANNON IS SEEKING TO NOW CAPITALIZE ON
THAT. INTERVIEWS AT THE AMERICAN
PROSPECT, RIPPED FOREIGN POLICY UP AND DOWN AND PROCLAIMED THAT
TRUMP'S FOREIGN POLICY WAS TOO INTERVENTIONIST AND NOW GOING
BACK TO BREITBART. THE BATTLE LINES ARE GOING TO BE
THAT BANNON WAS OUSTED BECAUSE THE GLOBALISTS TOOK CONTROL OF
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND BANNON IS THE ACTUAL REAL LEADER
OF THE POPULIST NATIONALIST ALT-RIGHT MOVEMENT, THAT THE
ALT-RIGHT IS A SMALL WING OF THAT BUT NOT THE WHOLE MOVEMENT,
BUT HE IS THE TRUE LEADER OF THAT MOVEMENT.
HE'S A SUPER ADVENTUROUS GUY AND JUST HELD THE MOST POWERFUL
POSITION HE'LL EVER HOLD UNLESS THE NEW POSITION IS HELPING TO
TEAR DOWN TRUMP AND BUILD HIMSELF UP IN THE PROCESS.
>> IT SOUNDS YOU'RE SAYING HIS EGO IS JUST AS BIG AS THE
PRESIDENT? >> I SAID THAT AT THE TIME WHEN
HE WAS HIRED. BANNON IS TRUMP'S MIRROR EXCEPT
HE'S SMARTER THAN TRUMP. AND I THINK THAT REMAINS TRUE.
HE'S A VERY AMBITIOUS FELLOW. DOESN'T HAVE ANY OTHER PLACE TO
GO OTHER THAN BREITBART. NOT GOING TO GET HIRED BY A
THINK TANK. HIS ONLY CHOICE IS TO SEIZE
KROLT OF THE MOVEMENT THAT HE BELIEVED HE'S INSTRUMENTAL IN
BUILDING NOT JUST TRUMP. HE THINKS HE WAS SORT OF THE
BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND INTEL LEGT YOU'LLS FOR TRUMPISM AND
TRY TO SEIZE THAT MANTLE FROM TRUMP HIMSELF IF HE STEPS OUT OF
LINE. I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT BECOME
CLEAR BECAUSE TRUMP IS LIKELY TO DO THINGS THAT DON'T FAL FALL I
LOVE WITH WHAT BANNON WANTS OR JEFF SESSIONS AND WHEN THAT
HAPSZ YOU'LL SEE BREITBART BECOME ONE OF THE BIGGEST
CRITICS AND BANNON WILL RELY ON FOLKS LIKE THE PEOPLE IN THE
LEFT MEDIA, SUTDLY THE PEOPLE WHO BANNON SUPPOSEDLY HATES.
HE'LL BE ON ALL OF THEIR SHOWS NOW BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE
TRUMP EITHER. HE KNOWS THAT THEY'LL BRING HIM
ON TO BASH TRUMP. AND SO HE'S PUT HIMSELF IN
PRETTY GOOD POSITION TO BE A SIGNIFICANT THORN IN TRUMP'S
SIDE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS AND CERTAINLY THE LAST
WEEK. >> BEN, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK
THAT WITH STEVE BANNON OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE, THE PRESIDENT
IS NOW GOING TO LEAN MORE TOWARDS THESE GLOBALISTS
INSTINCTS THAN THE NATIONALIST INSTINCTS WHICH SEEM TO HAVE
GUIDED HIM SO FAR. >> I THINK THOSE INSTINCTS
HAVEN'T GUIDED HIM IN A LOT OF POLICY.
HIS TALK HAS BEEN VERY NATIONALIST POPULIST.
THEY'VE BEEN IN LINE WITH HIS TALK.
HIS WALK HAS BEEN GARY COHN WALK.
THAT'S WHAT BANNON RECOGNIZES. IF YOU LOOK AT TRUMP'S POLICIES,
THEY HAVE NOT BEEN TRADE WAR WITH CHINA AND NOT BEEN TO
DESTROY NAFTA WHOLE SALE AND NOT BEEN TO WITHDRAW TROOPS FROM
SOUTH KOREA. THESE ARE ALL POLICIES THAT IT
HASN'T BEEN TO GET OUT OF THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN.
BANNON IS SMART ENOUGH TO REELG LIES THAT TRUMP WAS SAYING THE
BANNON TYPE STUFF PUBLICLY BUT WHAT HE WAS DOING IS NOT VERY
BANNON STUFF. NOW HE'LL TURN AROUND AND I
ASSUME RIP TRUMP FOR NOT DOING WHAT BANNON WANTS HIM TO DO.
AND IN THE PROCESS, BUILD HIMSELF UP