- Thank you Capri.
Oh, do you want me to open it now?
- [Jamie] Um, you definitely can.
- Yeah, should I?
- [Jamie] Yeah.
Will you do this?
Because it's like already blurry,
because I touched it.
(laughing)
- That's me with cameras.
- [Jamie] Just me dude.
- [Videographer] You put it on manual focus.
- [Jamie] Sorry.
- That's what I do too.
- [Jamie] Yup.
- You didn't have to get us goodies, aw.
- Well we figured since,
the next thing on the list
is to kind of try some stuff.
Let's try some stuff.
- Awesome.
- Let's just try some stuff.
Oh, this is your brand of pellets, too.
- Yep.
Those are our brand of pellets.
- Nice.
- It's just like a little sample size.
- That's cool.
- And then we have our freeze dried in there,
so you can just give it a try.
- This is what you just mix with water?
- Yes. - Okay.
- And I have them sending you one of every season.
So you can just try it
and see what she's most receptive to.
- Awesome.
- [Capri] And birdie bread.
- Yep, and there's birdie bread in there.
Which is great for diet conversion.
So, if today.
- We have used birdie bread before.
- She's like hard no on the pellets,
you can make birdie bread.
And usually it's a good.
- Do you incorporate this into it?
- Good way to do it.
Yeah. - Wow
- So you don't need to incorporate the pellets into this,
because this is already made with the base of our pellets.
- Oh. - They're just powdered down.
- So it gets her used to the flavor?
- So they have no idea.
- Nice. - It's hidden in there.
Yes.
And then you can tie in anything to birdie bread.
So you could add something you know she already likes,
like her old food ground up
so that she recognizes the flavor.
You could add crushed nuts.
If you know that's the only way to get her in.
You could add fresh food.
Like you can hide anything in birdie bread.
- Honestly, as long as it takes the form of bread.
I think she'll eat it.
- [Man] Yeah. - Right.
- So that's awesome. - Yeah.
- Thank you so much.
- No problem.
- Like other goodies in here.
- Yeah, you have our whole starter kit.
- There's chopsticks in here.
- 'Cause we're gonna try target training. We figured we
would try tonight. - Oh cool.
- Soon as you said the word un-trainable,
I was like challenge accepted.
- Right, yeah.
(laughing)
You can try your best.
I don't know how far we're gonna get with her,
but we'll see.
(upbeat music)
- So this is what masterclass people get.
They get like a little notebook,
for note taking and stuff like that.
- Aw, that's such a great idea.
- Obviously, you guys have a video for that.
- And a clicker. Nice.
It's funny, we clicker train our snakes.
- Yep. - A couple of them.
We have a snake that has no eyes.
And he started, he was given to us
because he was rescued from a breeder
because he had no eyes.
He was discounted. - Aw.
- But the person who bought him
couldn't get him to eat,
which is pretty common with snakes with no eyes.
So they asked if we could take him in and we did.
And we're like, yeah, we can accept a challenge.
- Yeah.
- We got him eating, uh,
because we have a lot of tricks up our sleeve.
But we got him eating too well.
He started thinking,
every time somebody was going into his enclosure,
there was food.
- [Man] Anytime he felt movement basically.
- Oh, so anytime you cleaned or anything.
- [Man] Yep.
- Yeah, change water.
Yeah, wanna hold him.
- [Man] He would just like launch out,
just an open mouth and go like this.
- Whatever hit his mouth would grab onto.
- That's what I do. So we started--
Yeah, right?
(laughing)
- So first things first,
we start with a treat test.
So we can see what Cheyenne is receptive to.
And what we can use for our target training session.
Uh, we have a general idea
from what they've been able to use in the past,
but we always like to redo a treat test
just to kind of see where a bird's at.
Like humans, their taste buds kind of change
and so do their favorite treats.
So, especially if you're doing diet conversion,
those treats will really fluctuate then.
So, making sure you do a treat test.
Now we show how to do this
in our family friendly parrot formula video number one.
Because it's one of your foundational things
that you should know.
You should know what your bird likes
first, second, third, fourth, fifth.
However many treats you try to test out on them.
You want have a general idea of
which treats to use in which order.
Because it might really come to your benefit.
If a bird is reluctant to do something,
you're going to have to use a higher value treat.
Whereas if a bird enjoys doing something,
like maybe it's the wave or some easy tricks,
or it's just a person that it really likes.
You may just use a lower value treat
to maintain some of those behaviors.
So a treat test is definitely necessary
no matter where on the spectrum of training
you're currently at.
(film beeping)
- [Emily] We're gonna start Cheyenne on this side
and we have all of our treat options here.
What, what did we end up putting?
- [Jamie] So we did walnuts, pecans, pumpkin seeds,
almonds, and then the Harrison Power Treats.
- [Emily] Okay, perfect.
I think we'll put her right in the middle.
- Oh, she's like, what's happening.
- [Emily] Go. - [Man] Go, get your treat.
(laughing)
- [Jamie] My treat is, Emily.
- [Emily] I'll go to the other side.
Although I think she's probably just gonna,
come here.
- [Man] I'll startle her.
And then she'll go away from me.
- [Jamie] Yeah, I think, maybe.
- [Videographer] I'm going to stand to the side. Yeah.
- [Jamie] She's like, I'll roll over.
- [Man] Okay, ready?
- [Jamie] Want to come try these things?
She just wants to get to Emily.
- [Man] I'm so hungry.
- [Emily] Just walked right over.
(laughter)
- So I mean, I think that even if we hand her these,
she's probably just going to drop them at this point
just because the discomfort of the environment.
- Yeah. - Is too high.
And you are comforting.
And so that's all she wants.
- Makes sense. - Over food.
It's just not reinforcing enough.
- [Jamie] Nope. - [Emily] Nope.
- [Jamie] She's like, now you're just handing me things.
- [Emily] Yes, now it's a game.
- [Man] Now it's a, now I get to play.
- [Jamie] Yeah.
- [Emily] Okay. We, we discovered something.
Jamie has been just handing her bits of,
from each pile and she's dropping everything
except for Harrison's Power Treats and--
- [Jamie] That was a walnut. - [Emily] A walnut.
I think I might have just tricked her though,
because the last one was the Harrison's.
I thought she'd get excited enough
to just trust me and take the next thing.
- [Emily] What if I put one of each, like in my hands?
- [Jamie] We could try that.
- [Emily] Yeah. Maybe, maybe that'll work.
- [Jamie] That's the pecan.
- [Emily] Okay.
- [Man] And now it's just food.
- [Jamie] Now she's like.
- [Emily] Now she's like I like this game.
- [Man] Yeah, this is a good game.
- [Emily] All these treats.
She's just gonna eat everything.
(laughing)
- [Man] They're all tasty.
(laughing)
- [Emily] What was that one?
- [Jamie] That was the almond.
- [Emily] Okay.
- [Jamie] The only one she hasn't eaten
is like the pumpkin seed, which I mean.
- [Man] I bet she will now.
- [Emily] Yep.
She can, here we go.
(laughing)
She either doesn't want any of it or she wants all of it.
- Okay, so, treat test tomorrow in between classes.
And then right now just focus on getting
a response with target training.
- [Videographer] I think so.
Yeah. - Okay.
You do understand target training, right?
- Uh, yeah, I might do it differently though.
So if you want to show me.
- Okay, yeah.
- [Videographer] Yeah, maybe show like
just exactly how you would do it.
- Yeah, cause we've been doing target training
with an alligator, which is probably,
same concept but a little different than--
- Different application?
- For, yes.
- Okay, yeah.
Let's do that. - Cool.
- So the important thing with parrots
is that you use the very tip of the target.
So we're gonna use the very,
very tip of the stick.
- Okay.
- And the reason why is if they can reach the entire thing,
they're more likely to grab it aggressively
and break it, grab it and snatch it from you.
Or if you're trying to get her to a particular spot,
but she can grab anywhere on here,
she most likely will beat you to it.
- Yeah.
- And just kind of outsmart you versus
you really controlling exactly where you want her.
- Okay. - [Videographer] Or you
unintentionally put aggression
on cue. - Yeah.
- Oh, yeah. That's a good point.
- [Videographer] Yeah. So keep in mind,
birds pair the emotional state involved
with the time of learning the trick with the trick.
So you can get pissed off on cue if
they're biting anywhere on the stick.
But if you put it in just right spot
where she just barely can reach it,
you're putting calm on cue.
- Okay, okay.
- Yeah.
So for example, for this, the having her
on the back of the chair is gonna work perfectly
because you guys can start from further away
and slowly go in, to where you guys are meeting.
Um, what we don't want is where you go in too far,
recognize it and then pull back,
cause it's kind of taunting.
It would be like here, touch this.
- Okay. - You know,
- Oh, so you're sideways. - She's gonna get frustrated.
- So you're kind of like going in
and meeting her. - Okay.
- So that it's just a very gentle touch.
Normally when presented with this,
birds will be naturally curious
and they're just gonna reach out and touch it.
Because they're just gonna be like, what is that?
- Yeah, yeah.
- And birds investigate with their beaks.
- Yeah.
- So it should work in your favor.
Um, if she's not naturally curious about it.
We might use a little bit of luring
where we place the treat
close to the end. - Yep
- And she just accidentally bumps it
while trying to get to the treat.
- Yep. Yep.
- [Videographer] Let's, why don't you do a quick sample
to show and then. - [Emily] All right.
Let's see what happens.
- [Jamie] All right, girlie.
(clicker)
Oh, she dropped it.
- We let her sit for like five, seven hours too.
- [Man] Yeah.
- [Videographer] Five, seven hours.
- Five, seven hours.
- [Videographer] Like 35 days.
(laughing)
- [Man] Okay, now I, think she,
yeah, she ate it and she bits.
So she understands what's going on now.
- [Jamie] She's like, alright, okay, come got this.
(clicking)
- [Videographer] So the big thing is,
notice how far, Jamie, do it, like exaggerated,
slow motion coming in. - [Jamie] Okay.
- [Videographer] And notice the key to this,
is that if she's reaching with her upper mandible
and tongue, it's impossible to bite it.
(clicking)
See that? - [Emily] Yep.
- [Videographer] If you go too close, she can bite it.
Cause her lower mandible is then
part of the equation. - [Emily] Yeah.
- [Videographer] But the goal is to, in the beginning,
keep the lower mandible out of it
so that you aren't accidentally pairing
aggression with target.
You're only getting calm because it's impossible
to be pissed off and be like, uh, target.
Right, so?
- Yeah
- That's, that's what we go for.
- [Jamie] So that's really the reaching
I was talking about earlier.
If you go in way too close and you have to pull back,
it's very taunting and teasing
to an animal. - [Emily] Ah.
- [Jamie] So you can imagine like for
a predatory animal. - [Emily] Yeah.
- [Jamie] You definitely don't wanna do that.
But for prey species, it's kind of the same thing.
We just don't want to taunt or tease.
(clicking)
- [Videographer] All right. Let her take over.
- [Jamie] Okay. - [Emily] Okay.
- [Jamie] You're good. Huh?
- [Emily] Awesome. Let's give it a shot.
And this is essentially just teaching her
how to learn, right? - Yes.
- [Emily] Teaching her to associate the clicker with
being a good thing. - Yep.
- [Emily] So then she'll start attaching clicker to,
oh, I did something right. - Mm Hmm.
- [Emily] And so we can use that to form
other behaviors. Is that kind - Yes.
of what we're, okay. - Exactly.
So she learns that she can learn
and hopefully she'll be trying
to earn clicks going forward.
- Okay. She's still eating that one.
- [Man] Yeah, she's savoring.
She's like, this is not a whole lot of food.
But I'm gonna savor it.
- Usually she inhales food.
So this, this is weird for her.
Okay, ready?
- [Man] Done?
- Yeah.
- Yeah, she was already anticipating.
(clicking)
- [Emily] Mmmm.
(melodic music)
- [Emily] All right. Cool, well I think we're gonna
practice this a little bit more.
And come back in a little while.
- [Man] Yeah. Way too much stuff going on.
- Yeah. That was a lot.
- [Videographer] So what I love to do in that
is like flash the treat to remind her
what she's working for.
- [Emily] Ah, actually I need bigger pieces anyway.
- [Videographer] So if you get like at this point,
we're not, we're not 20 repetitions in
where she's probably bored and tired of it.
- [Emily] Yeah.
- [Videographer] Or full, we're at a point where she's like,
we know that she's likely to still want to eat,
but there's a lot going on.
You can just quickly remind her
and then that'll usually draw them back in.
- [Emily] Yeah. A little, little.
- [Videographer] Yeah - [Emily] Sneak peek. Okay.
- [Videographer] So it's not quite luring
but it's just like, hey, remember this
(clicker) and then you get them reengaged.
- [Emily] Yeah. - [Jamie] Yeah.
- Sorry, I was moving.
- [Emily] And then Sam, you're fine, just Sam, you know Sam.
- [Videographer] Oh, oh, oh.
(clicker) Nice.
- [Emily] Is that good?
- [Videographer] So this time,
to clean up the next repetition
rather than having to hold it so long,
let's say you were holding it for 10 seconds
before you had her attention.
Wait 10 seconds long before you present the stick.
So we're going more her natural pacing versus us like,
come on, touch it, touch it when she's not quite ready.
- Yeah. - [Emily] Yeah.
- [Videographer] So like from here,
you're probably naturally getting ready to hold the stick.
So let's count to like
10, 15 seconds. - [Emily] Wait a little bit.
Okay.
- [Videographer] Get her like re interested
and like, oh, what did I do to earn that? And.
- And I would probably hold it
a little further away than you have been.
- [Emily] Okay.
- Just to see if she's willing to turn or reach.
- [Videographer] There you go. Right there.
- [Emily] Yeah. Cause she has the idea hopefully now.
- Give her a little reminder.
- [Emily] This. She pinned.
- [Trainer] Just give me it.
- [Emily] No.
- [Videographer] And go ahead and take it away.
- [Emily] Okay.
- [Videographer] Okay, so failure
is one of the most important things
that most people don't implement into training.
And so, especially with parrots,
well look at it this way.
If you show up at every soccer game
and you get a participation trophy,
how hard are you gonna try to get first place?
- [Emily] Yeah. Yeah.
- [Videographer] We don't wanna do that with our birds.
So we make sure that we intentionally allow
one or two reps of failure for every success.
- [Emily] Okay.
- [Videographer] Up, up to one or two,
not like you don't wanna have more failure than success,
but so then go ahead and try again.
- [Emily] Okay. This an okay distance?
- [Videographer] Yeah. And now we flash it. Good.
And she's thinking about it, hang in there.
(clicker) Yeah, nice job.
- [Emily] Okay. Good girl.
- [Videographer] So I would normally probably
end the session right about there.
- [Emily] That's, end on a good note.
Yeah. - [Videographer] Yeah.
- [Emily] I remember that. - [Videographer] We're start.
We're starting to lose her a little.
- [Emily] Yeah. - Yeah.
- [Videographer] But that looks good. You're trainable.
- Trainable.
- [Emily] Or luck. We'll find out tomorrow.
I dunno. I have my doubts still.
I don't think she's that bright yet.
(beep)
- So yesterday we left off with Cheyenne
where we sent them home with some of our pellets,
some of our seasonal feeding system,
the freeze dried version and told them
to just feed her the seasonal feeding for dinner.
I know that Emily said she's a foodie,
but normally when birds are on a really heavy diet,
as far as being full of fillers,
excess fats and sugars and things like that,
they appear like foodies. But they're really not.
They're really just excited about
all that excess fat and sugar in the diet.
They may not be foodies for real nutritious foods
like veggies or even healthy grains.
So we'll kind of wait and see,
I didn't get any messages from Emily last night.
We had told her if she was nervous about anything
and if Cheyenne wasn't eating
or they had any concerns to message us
and we didn't get any messages.
I'm hoping that means everything went smoothly
but I guess we will see how motivated she is.
It was kind of funny cause yesterday
Emily invited us into Snake Discovery Zoo
to see their alligator eat some shrimp.
- [Child 1] Whoa, whoa.
- [Child 2] I don't, no. - [Child 1] Oh my.
- [Jamie] There you go.
- [Child 2] That's Rex. That's Rex.
- And I was like, you know,
I would love to see that kind
of food motivation from Cheyenne.
That alligator was stoked about that shrimp.
So we'll see what we're kind of dealing with tonight.
Or today, I should say.
We have some master classes today, two classes
and I know Emily's gonna be around for it.
And in between we're gonna try to work with Cheyenne
and see what she's willing to do.
So hopefully we get some more progress today,
mostly to convince Emily that Cheyenne is capable
and as capable as the other birds
that Emily's had in the past.
- Lots of distractions.
- [Videographer] There's lots of movement.
(clicker)
- [Jamie] Good. If we can get like one step from her
where she'll actually take a step to touch the target.
- Yes, so like this way.
- [Jamie] That will tell me
that she is a little more all in.
- I think about.
- [Jamie] Not quite worth it.
- Yeah.
- [Jamie] Okay. So we might need to do a few more easy reps
and then try again. But once we get them
moving to touch the target, we know we're good.
(clicker)
- There you go.
- [Jamie] And you can even see if she'll like
really stretch to hopefully work into a.
- [Trainer] That doesn't induce a stretch.
(clicker)
- [Jamie] Um, step. - There you go.
- [Videographer] So you can try it from,
in line with the perch, but like right here.
- Ah, okay.
- [Videographer] And then think of it as like,
will you do it here? Flash a treat if she's not.
Still won't, meet her a little bit closer.
Like really try to work to get her to,
to make that stretch.
- Makes sense. Cool.
- [Jamie] She's just like.
- [Trainer] Don't be making me work here now.
- You see it. (clicker)
- [Videographer] So you still put it
where she didn't have to move.
- And we're just not gonna.
- [Videographer] So why don't you take it?
Take a step back here. Right there.
- Okay.
- [Videographer] Now don't move your feet.
- Come here.
- [Videographer] It's a good distance
right there. Yeah, yeah.
- Yeah, you just needed light encouragement. (clicker)
- [Jamie] Yay - Good girl.
- [Trainer] Remember this? Okay.
(clicker) Good girl.
(upbeat music)