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hi i'm dr italo brown i'm an emergency
physician and assistant professor in
social emergency medicine and chief
impact officer of trap medicine and i'm
dr cedric rutland i'm a pulmonary and
critical care physician in southern
california a national spokesperson for
the american lung association and i'm an
assistant clinical professor of internal
medicine we're headed to a place that's
not only integral to our communities but
our entire souls
the barbershop this is barbershop
medicine
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the barber shop has been a staple and
sanctuary amongst our community for
decades not traditionally barbershops
were where people went for medical
procedures and services continuing that
tradition we travel across the country
to discuss health and wellness in barber
shops and today we're going to check out
jamie's barber right here in l.a danny
oh it's close
let me make it this is what i'm talking
about colbert 19 has affected the way
that we live in every way possible
right here in l.a there have been over
1.2 million cases and 23 000 of them
have been faded where that's why we
asked people to practice these programs
hey he's down the street he's outside
all right cool
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all right all right all right all right
i'm across from you what's up
how you doing i'm good man thanks we got
to make a point fellas fellas y'all know
the shops closed due to covid
but we all know that a barber shop is
much more than a place you come just to
get it cut automatically coming to
fellowship
talk about our personal and social
issues so i decided we can do that
anywhere so we brought the shop outside
i brought some uh real medical experts
out here
and we're gonna talk about why cover has
been hitting the black and brown
community so hard oh yeah i came to the
barber shop on the right day i know man
yeah he did we sure have a whole lot of
backyard conversation most people want
to get a haircut when things aren't
going right yeah and so
not being able to do that has changed so
many people's lives i know in our
communities like this is our country
club this is our safe space we talk
about when the jays come out we talk
about where to take our girls for dinner
we talk about you know
how we're going to name our children but
we never have conversations about our
own health both mental and physical
well-being i'm just one of the ones to
believe that stress kills at the end of
the day knowing that people of color
they usually in a stressful situation
you hit that on their heads
come on come on
come on
so knowing that they're in a stressful
situation because you know not to talk
about i'm not prejudiced or nothing like
that but you know usually people would
financially all right they breathe in
fresher air they're going to the doctor
on a regular basis we don't go to the
doctor until we're just hurting about
the fallout ain't got no choice
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how did it affect you like off the rim
it's weird man it's like uh i have a
hundred band members underneath me oh
right different countries the whole nine
so when when i don't tour
i feel like all my kids weren't eating
it was weird yes yeah because i'm like
we tore like 200 days out the year where
so i feel like i have just like hundreds
of people that i wish that i could
do more for since i'm like a centerpiece
for a lot of their incomes that's real
so that's kind of my perspective on it
so i have a question
having student athletes back on campus
they have a lot of questions they're
generally 18 to 22 year olds
how with the vaccine can i as an
administrator
better inform educate and direct
to experts and away from conspiracy
with the vaccine the vaccination
we feel is necessary because if we don't
get the vaccination already knowing that
there are
health care disparities and equity
problems if we don't get the vaccination
it's actually going to widen that gap
because if less black people get the
vaccination
that means more black people are going
to get sick i got like a myth debunker i
need y'all to have cause like on my way
over here the
driver was talking about how he was
through the swine flu and all these
other viruses and his perspective on
that and he says back in the day it used
to take 10 years of research and study
to get that for the people and so
acknowledging that we are better with
technology and medicine is it still that
ten-year necessary to have a vaccine
such as covid for people here's the
thing about vaccines
to be able to generate or manufacture or
vaccine you have to know what the virus
looks like in other words you have to
know the construction of the virus you
have to know what coronavirus is right
we know what it is because of the sars
cove one epidemic in china in 2003. so
when you look at it initially you're
like
oh man we got this vaccine in a year
that's not true it's not at all we knew
what the spike protein looked like it
looked 90 percent like it looks like in
sarge cove one so we already had the
sequence right there's seven
coronaviruses that infect humans all
right four of them
we pass around and cause the common cold
in thirty percent of people all right
and they all have names right nl63 oc 43
229e hq bobby ricky mike
same thing same day it's the same it's
the same thing right and then you got
three severe coronal viruses mers cove
stars cove one stars cove two here's
what's important we all know
you can't tell your mama what to do you
can't scare somebody you can't you can't
i can't say it low down go get
vaccinated and then turn around and
bounce like that
i want to bring you guys some hydration
thank god
if my doctor was as handsome as
enjoy i have to go back to work but keep
doing what you guys doing thank you
thank you appreciate it thank you
i have a real real problem with the way
the messaging is going on with this
vaccine i think it's very
counterintuitive i understand as medical
professionals right not to put you guys
in any kind of box or anything like that
but you're gonna see things from a
certain perspective
and from our perspective again what's
the point for a young man
of my age
to
take a vaccine if they're still going to
make me wear a mask if everything's
still going to be at half capacity i
think that's the worst part of the
messaging that's going on i think the
biggest thing you should be drilling in
people's head is if you want to get back
to normal take the vaccine i always
called it a pandemic i even called it a
plan no no no no please
i just felt like it was a a plan i don't
feel like nothing just happened per se
overnight now i just feel like it was a
plan and me i'm somebody to read a lot
of history yeah so i feel like if you
don't know what was you don't understand
what it is so you're ill prepared for
what is yet to come so looking at
history and how we've been done and then
how they put the wraps on stuff for 25
years by the time we got somebody ready
to fight some of our militant kids or
something like that the people that's
really was involved in is kind of like
dead gone older i don't really have that
fight so then just knowing y'all got
some kind of raps on it government-wise
and stuff like that i'm still
questioning hold up ho ho ho
see we can't just glaze over this we
really have to unpack this issue there
is a long history of medical mistrust
between communities of color and the
medical complex and i'm talking decades
like think back to the 1800s
the name james marion sims many know him
as the father of ob gyn
but
he was experimenting on black bodies
many of them
weren't given anesthesia when he was
performing these procedures that we
still do today and it's rooted in the
belief that black women didn't feel pain
but in the 1800s they were going to
black grave sites and robbing them of
cadavers to train the students the 1900s
most people are familiar with the
tuskegee syphilis study this is one that
you probably heard more commonly now
that we're talking about vaccination
however in this one
black men in the south were actually
withheld the treatment as they studied
the natural disease course of syphilis
and then in the 1960s there were the
radiation experiments held in both
pennsylvania and ohio
where inmates were test subjects
see this isn't anything new this
mistrust
is deep
and you can follow people like dr essien
who talk about this constantly to
understand it a little bit better
for now let's just jump back into this
conversation
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i have a good relationship with my dad
it took me so much energy to try to
convince him uh not to be skeptical
about the vaccine my dad's out of the
60s you know
his brother is from saginaw michigan
same places venus and serena same place
as
draymond green
same place as stevie wonder that's what
my dad comes from blue-collar worker you
know and he don't take no mess from
nobody so talking to him about health is
already a struggle and his son is a
doctor
you know i mean like i'm talking to this
dude about his own health so when kovit
came in trying to send him in 95 mass
through the mail
literally telling him don't come visit
your son i might be the one that's
carrying the virus i don't want you to
see me you know these conversations were
tough getting down to the vaccine and
then hearing all the times the health
care system failed him made him
skeptical
but i slowly chipped away at it and what
i learned about for brothers who are of
my dad's generation
it takes time it takes persistence
you can't give up after one message
you bring the science you ask and listen
so i'ma listen to you when you say these
are the reasons why i don't trust the
vaccine and take me as deep as you ready
to go i'm talking jakku stowe like go as
deep as you possibly can
so that i can come back and then fill
those gaps of knowledge right and then
support you and then justify the fact
that you feel the way that you do and
it's okay
that builds a trust relationship and on
the strength of me and my dad's
relationship he took a risk on getting
the vaccine unfortunately he got covered
before he could get the vaccine
that's the the reality i don't want
other people to face is where it takes
so much time to get that stuff through
that eventually it happens but what
about the pre-existing conditions that
affect black and brown people in
particular and why they affect us versus
those other communities pause
let's get into that a little bit
these walls have been serving the black
and brown population since the late 60s
and that's what we're here
to have a discussion about
we're going to talk about disparities
we're going to talk about how covet 19
has impacted the black community but
we're going to talk about that right now
dr odunya thanks for having us it's a
pleasure to have you doc i really
appreciate being here i think it's
important to have a discussion around
healthcare disparity and the minorities
and the impact of coping 19 on our
community right
you said one of the key words
disparities and when the vaccines became
available we were the last ones to
receive them when you see that 35 of the
caucasian community has already received
vaccines compared to four percent of the
latino and three and a half percent of
the african-american communities
they throw money at the issue everybody
talks about it but the resources are
lacking why do you think that the black
and brown population has hypertension
diabetes obesity you know even copd and
things like that what do you think is
contributing we're treating the symptoms
and not the
the cause of the problem which is the
conditions that we live in we're
surrounded by fast food
establishments and you know we don't eat
properly and which contribute to the
diabetes or the clogging of the arteries
and uh asthma copd
things that you are very familiar with
and that you work with you see on a
daily basis the concept of acquiring
these pre-existing conditions it's not
that they're built in our genetics
correct there's no gene for obesity it's
more of
we're gonna go get what we have access
to and what we can afford right right
right and so much so it even makes me
think of access to health care that's so
true and and that's what the federally
qualified health centers like central
neighborhoods all about we're the safety
net you know we practice preventive
medicine however as you said you know
hey if i have a choice of going and
seeing the doctor about my headache or
toothache or go to go to work and make a
few dollars i'm going to work i'll just
ride the headache out yeah and not
knowing that it might be a symptomatic
or something very serious
i wasn't at the spectrum of the 5g
conspiracy like zombie thing but i was
just like i didn't know
you remember the two years situation
where i i felt like
it happened too fast with the solution
yeah and so that's what made me doubt it
but the fact that you educated me on
actually what was happening i'm cool
with it and i feel like this whole
pandemic put me in a situation where
my money couldn't solve my family's
health issues
which hurt me the deepest yeah that is
because if i could buy them life and
health for sure yeah take all this i
don't care but it was like to say that
like cause my i lost my grandmother to
kovac sorry to hear that oh man and it
was like as a as a man that likes to
really
fix things i mean we men like to fix
build naturally biology
i couldn't do nothing i couldn't see her
i couldn't help and i was like man so
when the vaccine came out i was like i
want to educate myself because i want to
i want to want this and i want to get
this for people that are like under me
and like in my my reach so yeah after
y'all's education i'll definitely tell
it to more people as well because
y'all know what y'all talking about
y'all put me closer to wanting to do it
than i felt before i had this
conversation i know people that can pass
away from it but i can say me myself
personally i'm closer
now to doing it than i was before i'm
hearing it clear i'm understanding not
no drive-by conversation on the news and
not really knowing what all them words
mean and getting off you know it makes
more sense right now having this
intimate conversation with me the thing
with the vaccine was that i wasn't in
opposition to it i just wanted to see
kind of like what happened right that
was kind of selfish of me and and from
what i understand even if i might not be
um in any risk factor of dying from this
disease maybe somebody else might be and
me getting this vaccine might make sure
that um it can keep them healthy so if
my number comes up to get the vaccine
i'll be on my way to get it the more you
do it you unlock his ability to do it
you liberate him to do it you get this
man on point and then at the end of the
day we just use each other's support
system to have these conversations
because
no one's going to pull us aside and talk
about this so this is exactly what i
wanted to get you guys together this is
a place of real talk i'm gonna make all
my brothers here we're talking about
real life issues
and what's happening to us right now and
i really thank you guys
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